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Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/1/2010 3:34:59 PM   
sugarbabylove


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Status: offline 		I'm not masochistic but would like to 'push' my pain threshold for He, as triggering sub space is something he enjoys.  We 'play' a little, but he is considerate of me.

Has anyone here experienced a similar situation and, if so, how was it resolved (if at all)?

I am happy to clarify if necessary.  Thanks
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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/1/2010 3:46:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not a masochist either and have never experienced subspace through pain. For me it's sexual...throw in some restraints a little humiliation and the right physical stimulation and I'm gone. Perhaps you need to do some experimenting to find your trigger.

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/1/2010 4:04:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sugarbabylove
I am happy to clarify if necessary.  Thanks


Please do as I'm not really sure what the question is.


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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/1/2010 4:27:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		i've learned over the years that "space" is experienced very differently by different subs/slaves - each has her own definition of what it feels like, how it is triggered and so on.  So if you want the "magic bullet" to achieve subspace, there isn't one that works universally 100% for every sub/slave - and how it works, and how it will feel for you will most likely be very different from me.

Best advice i can offer is to say start practicing meditation (on your own),  and then work on practicing it while your Dom is sexually or sadistically using you, and start to feel around inside your own mind.  It takes time.

Main thing is just learning how to "let go."   

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/1/2010 4:44:43 PM   
aquariantat


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Status: offline 		practice practice practice. I am not a pain slut per se, but I can now take ALOT because my body has acclimated.

One trick we used..... no pleasure (especially orgasm) without pain... you learn to like the pain because of the association.

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/1/2010 7:07:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pain doesn't do it for me. Bondage, and a blindfold and a gag will.
But humiliation would trigger a bad reaction here.

We're all different, keep trying different things and see what you do or don't enjoy. But don't judge whether or not you had fun by subspace. Some people can't go there. So what? It's the journey that counts, not the destination.


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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 10:46:29 AM   
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I'm not a masochist either and have never experienced subspace through pain


Ditto, if I go into subspace (and I don't if I'm in pain), it's from the connection and sense of peace within myself.

Also, lots of bottoms NEVER experience subspace, or rarely ever.  It's not a big deal really.

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 11:40:14 AM   
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Whatever, if you keep waitng for it and it never happens, will that ruin your life?

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 11:52:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pain isn't always needed to get to "sub space." A form of meditation or relaxation exercises will do the same thing. A sensual massage followed by light flogging followed by thuddy flogging can do it for me, and I am a masochist. I concentrate on breathing, relaxing my muscles and the steady, monotonous rhythm until there's nothing else in my mind. When the pain comes, I relax into it rather than try to fight it. If my muscles start tightening, it's a sure sign that I'm reaching my limit.

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 11:56:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I go to subspace from being tied in rope alone. I also was quite suprised to find myself in subspace from going flying. Not only the rush from flying on a trike and the hormones released but from the precision and mastery of the pilot.

So no, pain is not needed. It can be all mental.

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 11:57:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for all the replies.
 
It's interesting that some feel sub space(?) without actually experiencing pain, as I had not considered this.  I'm a bit confused though as I thought that pain caused endorphins to be released into the body, which then triggered that 'spacey' feeling.  Is this incorrect or a different type of sub space?
 
To mistoferin - basically, my question is 'how to trigger sub space, particularly if one is not masochistic?'
 
 

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 12:06:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Subspace is just a shorthand label for "bottom who enters an altered state of consciousness during a period of kinky play."

Altered states are extremely varied- both in initiation and experience.  The body produces tons of chemicals.  I do not have the endorphin rushes that masochists have and do not enter subspace from that.  I get off on adrenaline and seratonin. 

It's like asking how to give a woman an orgasm- there's many factors to consider.

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 1:10:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'm not a masochist, but i do go deeply into space.  It is a floaty meditative feeling, and like some have said on here, it happens the moment of the first touch of the rope, or when then the cuffs go on - i feel like i simply descend in my mind.  i'm in a completely different space - i've described it as "checked out" before.  Definitely not endorphins. 

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 1:13:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think people describe different things as subspace.

That feeling you get when you orgasm really hard and you feel like jelly. Or that feeling you get when your mind can't distinguish between pain and pleasure anymore and you starting literally feeling a lack of motor coordination, lack of awareness, trembling, sweaty and unfocused (caused by endorphins in my opinion and I've often wondered whether it's not just a minor form of shock given the symptoms I have) vs. that feeling you get when something is just so right and you're enthralled by it...and all the other things other people describe. They are most likely different things and different causes, but I think UniqueRaven was right, the key I believe is letting go.

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 1:30:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with the letting go...without that I can't imagine being able to get there...

I almost feel like subspace is a bit selfish... I completly disconnect and am barely aware of my partner, it's all about sensation... so unless the Dom gets into reducing me to a mindless quivering mass, there's not a lot he's going to get out of me in that state or for a while afterwards.

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 2:37:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3

I think people describe different things as subspace.

That feeling you get when you orgasm really hard and you feel like jelly. Or that feeling you get when your mind can't distinguish between pain and pleasure anymore and you starting literally feeling a lack of motor coordination, lack of awareness, trembling, sweaty and unfocused (caused by endorphins in my opinion and I've often wondered whether it's not just a minor form of shock given the symptoms I have) vs. that feeling you get when something is just so right and you're enthralled by it...and all the other things other people describe. They are most likely different things and different causes, but I think UniqueRaven was right, the key I believe is letting go.


This I agree with. Oh I have all different kinds of headspaces that are triggered by lots of different things. I don't view them all as subspace though. For me, subspace happens one way....through pain...boatloads of pain and it renders me 100% incapable. So much so that if the room was on fire someone best be hauling my butt out of there because I'd be way too busy looking at the pretty flames and drooling on myself to rescue me. In that space my brain is not connected to arms and legs. Much, much different than the fuzzy headspace of being bound or the headspace triggered by connection or the headspace of intense sexual pleasure or...etc., etc. Don't misunderstand, those can be very powerful headspaces also but nothing like what I call subspace for myself.

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 3:36:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pain always does it for me, but lots of other things do, too. It can be as simple as Master putting his hand on my throat, not putting any pressure on it, just placing his hand there, and speaking to me. The combination of his hand on my throat and the sound of his voice . . . I lose all sense of where I am, who I am, what time it is . . .

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 3:42:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		really really hot sex with someone i adore who makes me have lots of orgasms can put me into subspace and has.

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 3:44:36 PM   
UniqueRaven


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quote:

ORIGINAL: laurell3

I think people describe different things as subspace.

That feeling you get when you orgasm really hard and you feel like jelly. Or that feeling you get when your mind can't distinguish between pain and pleasure anymore and you starting literally feeling a lack of motor coordination, lack of awareness, trembling, sweaty and unfocused (caused by endorphins in my opinion and I've often wondered whether it's not just a minor form of shock given the symptoms I have) vs. that feeling you get when something is just so right and you're enthralled by it...and all the other things other people describe. They are most likely different things and different causes, but I think UniqueRaven was right, the key I believe is letting go.


Thank you, yes, i see the key being to just let go and find subspace as a personally authentic experience - different for everyone.  When the feeling is there, you just keep moving into it...or riding with it, as the case may be.

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RE: Non masochist 'sub space' - 6/2/2010 6:22:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I can, and do, reach subspace through receiving pain, I actually get into it more by another method.  When my Sir caresses the back of my neck during sex, especially if I am already restrained, it's more or less instantaneous. 

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