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TearCollector -> Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 11:20:55 AM)

I have been wanting to try something but there is no one here with experience. So I have decided to ask the boards. Can someone with experience explain to me in detail the do's and donts of setting your slave on fire? I am very well trained to handle fire. But understand a mistake in this situation has extreme consequences.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 11:29:03 AM)

Other than, please find someone to teach you OFFline before attempting and don't do it with just you and them until you've got a good amount of experience.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_30800/mpage_1/key_fireplay/tm.htm#30800
Fireplay

http://www.collarchat.com/m_217676/mpage_1/key_fireplay/tm.htm#217676
Fireplay Instructions



TearCollector -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 11:34:44 AM)

Thanks Lucky. Ill check out those sites first. I know this is a fringe area of play and should be well controlled. Thats why I am asking.

TC



MstrssPassion -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 11:48:42 AM)

When I first started learning fireplay I practiced on myself. Saved a lot of razors during that time... my legs were the easiest area to do this.

If there is going to be any accidents, far better it happen on yourself. Much easier to explain at the ER if you mess up big time.

I'm sure the links LA offered are as good as anything I could search for or write out based on my own methods.




STMangel -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 11:49:48 AM)

have had this experience a couple of times. I would suggest to do research or go to a workshop on the topic. It feels great, but have been told that mistakes can happen, as with anything. Good luck.


STMangel



TearCollector -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 12:05:42 PM)

Thanks for the great replies.

TC



IronBear -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 12:58:34 PM)

In my version of fire play in which I'll blow fire and have it wrap around a slave, there is no way I'll attempt to teach another in any other format than face to face and then only after they satisfy me that they are competant in handling fire my way.... I was trained by an ex wife who at the time was acclaimed as the best fire eater alive ..The risk is far too high to do  otherwise... 



NickInSLC -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 1:11:17 PM)

Fire play is lots of fun, but it's also one of the more risky forms of play.  There's been some very good advice here already.  The main point I want to make is more fireplay disasters come from knocking over the fuel container or dropping a lit torch into your alcohol.

Take the effort to find a fuel container that is somewhat heavy and tip resistant.  It's also a good idea to purposely drop a lit torch into your container and practice putting it out.  Of course, do this in a safe location such as in the middle of a concrete driveway.  Then when you accidentally drop a lit torch in your fuel, you won't freak out, because you already know exactly how to put it out.

Finally, it's very important to always have a third person present when you play to act as safety.  Most of the time, a damp towell is enough to put fires out.  But you should also have a fire extinguisher at hand (I go so far as to pull the pin out before play).  Expediency is very important for the safety.  The same fire that feels sexy and warm for one or two seconds starts to hurt after 5 seconds, and will really hurt after 10 seconds.



IronBear -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 1:18:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NickInSLC

Fire play is lots of fun, but it's also one of the more risky forms of play.  There's been some very good advice here already.  The main point I want to make is more fireplay disasters come from knocking over the fuel container or dropping a lit torch into your alcohol.

Take the effort to find a fuel container that is somewhat heavy and tip resistant.  It's also a good idea to purposely drop a lit torch into your container and practice putting it out.  Of course, do this in a safe location such as in the middle of a concrete driveway.  Then when you accidentally drop a lit torch in your fuel, you won't freak out, because you already know exactly how to put it out.

Finally, it's very important to always have a third person present when you play to act as safety.  Most of the time, a damp towell is enough to put fires out.  But you should also have a fire extinguisher at hand (I go so far as to pull the pin out before play).  Expediency is very important for the safety.  The same fire that feels sexy and warm for one or two seconds starts to hurt after 5 seconds, and will really hurt after 10 seconds.



Ohhhhhh? You have never seen people badly hurt trying this? bever see eyes damaged? never seen hair smouldering ???? never heard of using fiure retardent gel used by stunt people top protect vital areas??? Have you ever wrapped fire about anyone or are you just talkig on a theoretical pointof view... I have seen all the above accidents happen when ametures play and have no training and suport...



Oberonrex -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 1:22:18 PM)

You've already gotten a LOT of good advice, but I would emphasize getting real-time training at a workshop or class through a group. In fact, look at multiple classes if you can -- I have done it but still consider myself a novice at it and am looking at some additional training as each time I've learned something new and different that can make a difference. The "Be Prepared" advice from Nick is very good, and all the really good fireplay people I have practiced for things going wrong and had extinguishers, wet towels, first aid, etc. handy. Good luck!



TearCollector -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 6:47:43 PM)

No doubt I got what I asked for. Good one Nick on the concrete practise idea. I already knew that but honestly if I didnt, that advise would be tops!

I am probably technically more equipped to handle this with very little training than the avergae curious George. But, I do lack the experience and the eye witness accounts so due to the price of a problem, I needed to bounce this off you guys.

I probably will try to some very minor experiments and work up. Here in the islands, 12 year olds fire knife dance with karosene. A bit differant than what Im after but I understand the concent of heat x time / flesh temps. Thanks everyone.

TC



mnottertail -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 7:15:43 PM)

Kero!  Rum by God!!!!

soak a q-tip in alcohol, wipe it across your skin and light it, start counting..........burn your ass a little once...nothing to kill you, but something you can feel. 

Same with kero!!!!!!!!!!!

Uff Da. See how to wipe it off...........Kero smears a little don't it?  A & D ointment and don't do shit that sprays, it gets nasty quick.

I ain't joking, hopefully you get the idea.........

Ron




Wildfleurs -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 8:03:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TearCollector

I have been wanting to try something but there is no one here with experience. So I have decided to ask the boards. Can someone with experience explain to me in detail the do's and donts of setting your slave on fire? I am very well trained to handle fire. But understand a mistake in this situation has extreme consequences.


I've taught workshops on doing fire play (although its not remotely my favorite form of play) and all I have to say is that I wouldn't feel comfortable talking specific technique about that or most types of BDSM play.  I'd suggest instead that you look at people in your local community who are experienced and also look for any possible workshops on fireplay.  You may think that you can learn fireplay from reading posts on an email list, but a false sense of confidence (and not *actually* learning about a technique face to face) can cause a lot of unnecessary accidents.

C~



mnottertail -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/10/2006 8:45:09 PM)

experts simply  'cause they survived?  I am uncomfortable with that advice since I have a three foot dick, and until you unroll it, and see for yourself, it don't make it true.......

Before you stuff fire of any kind on someone, you burn yourself first........that will start you thinking...........start small, and q-tip and alcohol.....certainly see demonstrations, certainly talk and listen and learn........go to demos, but all the shit they tell you in that class is asswipe, even a guy like John, got an hour to talk, maybe two hours and you are fighting with kids that stick ice cubes up their ass and are grossly obese besides and go what's the problem?

enough,
Ron



Elegant -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/11/2006 5:40:23 AM)

Do your research and do not limit yourself to the advise of just on or two people.

Even the simple suggestions can often be too vague.
For example: q-tip and alcohol
1. Q-tip is a name brand and might not be a known word in some countries. Cotton Swab.
2. Make sure it is 100% cotton and that the 'stick' is not plastic.
3. Alcohol? To some people this could mean beer or gin. Isopropyl alcohol is the term and then one needs to know the safest concentration to use (70%).


There is an event planned in Hawaii October 6-8 and October 13 - 16 with incredible presenters. http://www.leathersmarts.com/

FifthAngel will be presenting a workshop on fireplay:
The Seduction of Fire
From the beginning of time, man has viewed fire as a source of warmth and entertainment, and treated it with reverence, using it in rituals and rites of passage.  Fire has always been handled with respect as a source of unrelenting pain and fear. Beautiful and mesmerizing, yet potentially deadly, fire commands undivided attention and concentration, giving it a well-deserved place in the category of dangerous. We must always respect that fire has a spirit and will of its own.This workshop will have hands-on opportunities, as well a very advanced demonstration of flogging with fire.  FifthAngel will cover fire safety, colored flames, types of fuel and much more.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/11/2006 5:55:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elegant
There is an event planned in Hawaii October 6-8 and October 13 - 16 with incredible presenters. http://www.leathersmarts.com/

Ooohhhh...wonder if I can do that AND BR06....

There will also be fireplay demos and performances at Leather Retreat in June in MD.



Archer -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/11/2006 11:39:30 AM)

BTW even now after years of fireplay I most often have a second person on hand, to provide a set of eyes completely dedicated to safety.

I also tell those who attend fireplay classes I teach that they are not after that class ready to do it themselves without supervission by someone who's done it at least a couple times.

Listening to it, reading it, watching it, none of them substitute for doing it when it comes to learning. But for safety I advise when you do it the first few times do it under supervission.


In Leather

Archer



TearCollector -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/12/2006 12:07:15 PM)

Last night I opted to take some of the advice I got here and not take some. The result was this:

I ignored the advice of going to training and having experienced people on hand to watch over the event. I took the advice to lay her down on a floor that was not flamable. I took the advice to keep the fuel container away from the event, I used caution and went with a small islolated area but was disappointed with the results. I filled her belly botton with rubbing alchohol then used my finder to spread it around the surrounding area. I lit it and we had a nice flame but extinguished on its own very quickly. I decided to switch to lighter fluid and repeat the same thing. This was much more effective and I had to put it out after about 3 seconds.

In my oppinion, the most valuable advice I got was keeping the fuel cannister away from the event. While I felt this was obviously common sense for any idiot, I found myself caught up in the moment and not thinking about things like that. I was reflecting on advice given here and that reminded me. So well done to all of you who offered their input.

Fire play interests me but Im not sure it is something I will spend much time on. I think I will go to a demo if I can but just to see how its done by someone who knows what they are doing. For now its something I have done and probably wont do again for a long time. But I can see how people get into it. The slave had minor redness from the event but was gone by the end of the day.

TC



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/12/2006 12:09:31 PM)

You know I got kinda the same feeling I get when a novice sub asks for advice and you tell her to take it slow and not get committed and she says that makes sense and then next week she's got a collar.



Wildfleurs -> RE: Setting your slave on fire (4/12/2006 4:53:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

You know I got kinda the same feeling I get when a novice sub asks for advice and you tell her to take it slow and not get committed and she says that makes sense and then next week she's got a collar.


And then a month  later she's back whining about her ex-master.

C~



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