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moutas -> SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 8:32:08 AM)

I think that a slave must not be entitled to follow a personal religion in an usual form because her god must be her master so either the slave is atheist so god and master are the same recipient, or the slave is believing in a religion and she has to consider that her master is the only intermediary between her god and herself. So she has to address her prayers and devotions only to her master. It is not of her business anymore if her devotions and prayers are transmitted to an eventual creator. Her actions in religion are to stop at the first level: her master!
The leash of the slave is not long enough to go beyond this door!

Of course I think that it is the same for male slave and mistress.

(Neither of us is obligated to agree with the other's point of view)




sirsholly -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 8:40:58 AM)

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oooo...ya gotta LOVE it when school is out.




tazzygirl -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 8:44:19 AM)

When is school back in?

its going to be a looooooooooooooooong summer




sirsholly -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 8:47:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

When is school back in?

its going to be a looooooooooooooooong summer
we live in the same area, Taz...i'll check on it and let ya know.

Course...it might be different in Juniors town.




mistoferin -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 8:49:33 AM)

Wow, I thought the full moon was LAST week!




eponavet -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 8:51:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: moutas

I think that a slave must not be entitled to follow a personal religion in an usual form because her god must be her master so either the slave is atheist so god and master are the same recipient, or the slave is believing in a religion and she has to consider that her master is the only intermediary between her god and herself. So she has to address her prayers and devotions only to her master. It is not of her business anymore if her devotions and prayers are transmitted to an eventual creator. Her actions in religion are to stop at the first level: her master!
The leash of the slave is not long enough to go beyond this door!

Of course I think that it is the same for male slave and mistress.

(Neither of us is obligated to agree with the other's point of view)




Ummm....errrr...okaay. [&:] [sm=cactus.gif]




sirsholly -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 8:54:31 AM)

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It is not of her business anymore if her devotions and prayers are transmitted to an eventual creator.
well dayyy-um Sugar...why aren't you hoggin credit as her creator as well?

And you are correct, YerMasterfulness...Christian slaves everywhere have no business worrying about an eternity in hell...not when there are putz's like you around

("Hell? Been there and done that with this putz of a master...")




lally2 -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 8:57:35 AM)

 

i would suggest you look for athiests - its youre best bet.




thishereboi -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 8:57:54 AM)

I think if that is what you want for YOUR slave, then go for it. Tell your slave how you want her to think. That said, I don't think you have a right to tell anyone else what to believe. It's none of your business. 




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 9:05:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: moutas

I think that a slave must not be entitled to follow a personal religion in an usual form because her god must be her master so either the slave is atheist so god and master are the same recipient, or the slave is believing in a religion and she has to consider that her master is the only intermediary between her god and herself. So she has to address her prayers and devotions only to her master. It is not of her business anymore if her devotions and prayers are transmitted to an eventual creator. Her actions in religion are to stop at the first level: her master!
The leash of the slave is not long enough to go beyond this door!

Of course I think that it is the same for male slave and mistress.

(Neither of us is obligated to agree with the other's point of view)



Honestly, I don't think this is nearly as meriting of ridicule as some here seem to think. It is not the first time that I have heard people -- real people in real life -- insist that anyone who served hir/yielded to hir would have to think of hir as the "god" in hir world. I think about how many women call themselves "Goddess", and how many men go by "Lord". I think that if one feels this way, it is important to make sure that such beliefs are clearly presented at the outset of negotiations -- so that someone who could not abide with such an idea would have the chance to walk away before finding out that xhe would be expected to give up hir spirituality -- which, for most people, would be unthinkable.
In a situation such as the OP describes, it is certainly true that if a servant's religious proclivities prohibit proper attention to hir service, then clearly, xhe is not in a position to embrace a position of service. If a Keeper requires absolute devotion and adoration, and will not even allow attentiveness to anything outside of hirself, then xhe must be prepared to have a servant who cannot hold a job (as xhe would have to provide attention there) or religious or political attentions that would thereby detract.

For most of us, though, we do not demand such a consuming measure of devotion and attention. While it may be preferable for us to have companion servants who share at least an open-ness to our spiritual leanings, even that is something that can be negotiated.

For myself, I am a leader and teacher on the spiritual path to which I ascribe. That has some pretty specific aspects that affect anyone who is in service to me -- xhe'd have to be comfortable with having certain things around the house -- books, spiritual objects, etc., and xhe'd have to be comfortable with the idea that I teach in a seminary that is for teaching clergy in a non-Judeo-Christian path. Someone who believes that what I do and believe are wrong would certainly not be fulfilled being in service to me -- in fact, it might be traumatic and cause such a person to fear for hir immortal self, if hir background was sufficiently fundamentalist. I always disclose my spiritual requirements -- not because I expect a servant to follow said beliefs, but because for some, not disclosing such could be damaging to that potential servant on an emotional level. I do not expect my servants to abide by my own beliefs, but I -do- expect that if they practice another track, that their practices and beliefs will not intrude on their service and commitment to me.

Calla






porcelaine -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 9:11:45 AM)

moutas,

quote:

I think that a slave must not be entitled to follow a personal religion in an usual form because her god must be her master so either the slave is atheist so god and master are the same recipient, or the slave is believing in a religion and she has to consider that her master is the only intermediary between her god and herself.


Okay, let's assume we deify the dominant. What associations should we select? Is he omnipotent or are we customizing this thing instead? Your idea may work for people with well defined thoughts about who/what God is. But for skeptics and non believers you'd need to fill in the blanks quite a bit.

quote:

Her actions in religion are to stop at the first level: her master!


I'm getting visions of Type O Negative and self flagellated confessions as I read. All I need is a smattering of Depeche Mode and we're there.

quote:

It is not of her business anymore if her devotions and prayers are transmitted to an eventual creator.


Transmission would be largely dependent on whether he believed there was another much greater than himself.

~porcelaine




Pyramus -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 9:22:28 AM)

hir?




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 9:28:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pyramus

hir?


I use gender-neuter pronouns when posting to the boards.

Calla




eponavet -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 9:29:07 AM)

Hi Calla,

For me, the difference is in the delivery....

Your post is well articulated. Maybe the OP's is well thought out, i can't tell, because i am confounded by the words they chose to use. Whether that is a limitation of language, maybe english is not their first laguage, or some other factor, when someone pops in and proclaims something such as this (even though they provided a little disclaimer at the end of the post), i don't think it's unreasonable for other folks to not take it seriously or engage in an actual discussion on the topic.

That being said, what you posted seemed to be a reasonable compatibilty factor. And i am pretty sure that just as relationship dynamics are limitless, so are the spiritual or religious dyamics within said relationships. My own personal experience/interactions would lead me to believe that it would be a VERY small percentage of people that would fall into the category the OP proclaimed to be one defined by the term "slave". That being said, i obviously have not been exposed to every possible configuration so all i can do when someone makes a fairly blanket statement is do the blinky thing, which isn't conveyed very well through cyber space without the use of those endearing little emoticons! [:)]

~ epona




LadyCimarron -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 9:37:08 AM)

If being treated and worshipped as a God is your particular kink (and its absolutely fine if it is.) You should seek slaves that agree with that and can offer you that. I must warn you, however that there are fewer female slaves who believe in God worship of their Masters than there are male slaves who believe in Goddess worship of their Mistresses. I wish you well in your search.




eponavet -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 9:45:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron

If being treated and worshipped as a God is your particular kink (and its absolutely fine if it is.) You should seek slaves that agree with that and can offer you that. I must warn you, however that there are fewer female slaves who believe in God worship of their Masters than there are male slaves who believe in Goddess worship of their Mistresses. I wish you well in your search.


Thanks for this perspective!

What's interesting is that i've had quite a bit of experience interacting with couples who practice Goddess worship as part of their relationship (my best friend is my best example) and also have a D/s aspect where she is submissive. The practice of surrender and the inherent divinity of both the masculine and feminine is explored and is a very spiritual journey - from both the divinity aspect as well as the submission aspect. I don't have much experience nor have i been exposed much to people practicing strictly Goddess worship, maybe because i'm one of those submissive women...? Hmmm, i predict some interesting conversations with friends in the near future...[8|]





LadyPact -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 9:49:44 AM)

Yes, it's going to be a long summer and yes, it seems to have started early.

I look at this from a very simple and realistic perspective.   I know for a fact that I am not God.  (People can debate the existence of God, or whatever Higher Power pleases them to death without Me.  I seriously have no interest in challenging anyone's faith.)  There are references in several religions to what constitutes attributing how to obey more than one ruler of a person's life.  (I said "ruler" not multiple "Gods" so let's not go there either.)  The very distinction is that each has a specific position in regard to whom is being ruled.

If someone wants to attempt to be a person's God, if it's working for you, more power to you.  It just isn't a policy that I could undertake until such time as I actual become an omnipotent being.




leadership527 -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 9:50:55 AM)

To my knowledge, the only miracle I've ever managed is to snooker Carol into loving me and I don't really think that counts on the celestial scale. In the absence of an ability to perform miracles of substance (say, creating existence or somesuch), I just don't feel that I qualify as a god.




sublizzie -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 9:52:07 AM)

The OP is one reason I look for someone who is open to me practicing my spirituality. I could not in good conscious worship, as a deity, the one I would serve. My spiritual belief says that anyone who comes between me and my Higher Power becomes a hindrance to my spiritual journey and is removed (in one way or another) by my Deity. If I want to remain in the relationship with a healthy, whole individual I would not put them at risk by shifting my allegiance from my God to them. I'm actually doing them a service by *not* deifying them.




eponavet -> RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION (6/3/2010 9:53:42 AM)

Question: Goddess worship as i understand it feels like we are recognizing our divinity, connecting with ourselves as an archetype of that divinity...but actually worshipping a PERSON? That is definitely not what i have been exposed to. For anyone who has more experience or knowledge, could you help me understand this as it relates to the OP? Thanks!




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