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Aneirin -> RE: Waterboarding Pride (6/6/2010 11:10:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Where torture and torturers exist anywhere in the western world, they should be hounded out and punished in accordance with treaties signed by parent countries, for they bring shame and condemnation of all because of the actions of the few.

There is no point signing up to any agreement against anything, if persons are going to ignore treaties and do their own thing, as all it does is cause disbelief in ones own country. If a law exists, then it applies to all, not just the plebians.

But then, if people knowingly and purposefully disregard the laws of your country in matters that bring shame internationally to all of that country, could they in fact be referred as traitors, as in their actions, they have damaged their parent country.



What does this have to do with my question?

And why are you only concerned with the western world? Don't you care if people are tortured in the east?



I care only about the western world, because I am part of it.

I don't know about you, but I care about what my country does in my name and I care that the western world is becoming something it was never meant to be because of an extreme minority decided they were either exempt from treaties their country has made, or they believed they had so much power people would thank them for their traitorous actions.




Lucienne -> RE: Waterboarding Pride (6/6/2010 11:14:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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"Simply chucking water at a board." Yeah.. not real sure what you're envisioning there. Regarding intent, what if it was done out of good old-fashioned sadism? Does that count as torture in your mind?


Well, when they did it at leather retreat, they called the demo "water torture"...Does that count?



It's not clear what "it" was. Chucking water at a board?  And is it too much to ask that when we're discussing US treatment of captured alleged terrorists that we assume that the prisoners didn't consent to any of this treatment and the sadism referred to is more along serial-killer lines than leather retreat lines?




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