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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 4:47:17 AM   
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She was not competent at her job and was fired.

She's a hot chick who's not used to being rejected and she didn't know how to handle it.

A friend of a friend introduced her to a money grubbing scum bag lawyer and he's using her for a possible pay day.




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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 5:00:25 AM   
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I thought about this this morning.

She is 5'5", 125lbs and a 36DD bra size. She does have an hour glass shape and wearing 3" heels does accentuate it... a lot.

Is it truly discrimination if her less curved co-workers are allowed to wear pencil skirts and someone who is a 32 A wishes to wear a turtleneck on cold days?
I am not so sure.

Part of being in the business world is having good judgement and I would think that she might try to understand that and not whine to human resources when an issue was brought to her attention.

My guess is that dressing that way made her feel special. She knew she had curves and dressed to show them off, and when asked to do otherwise to contribute to a more business-like atmosphere (instead being the object of attention) she really didn't want to give that up.



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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 5:11:07 AM   
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My guess is that dressing that way made her feel special. She knew she had curves and dressed to show them off, and when asked to do otherwise to contribute to a more business-like atmosphere (instead being the object of attention) she really didn't want to give that up.


That's my guess too. She has pictures of herself modelling at her work desk ffs. And even the way she's saying it, she doesn't say anything about sexual harassment but rather says "They said I couldn't dress the way I like because I look too hot, and I said no, and they fired me."

If she was actually sexually harassed I feel bad for her but the way she's coming across makes it seem like she wanted to dress "hot" and refused to compromise with her employer about the way she should present herself.


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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 5:33:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		If i was going to file a law suit about my clothes, i would probably be encouraged by my lawyer to have photos taken wearing said clothes so people could make a value judgement. After all, a photo is worth a 1000 words

and i'm willing to bet they aren't taken in her office, but in a generic office to set the atmosphere.


and if we are saying that people should be sensible about their clothing choices/body types, we wouldn't have the website with the Walmart shoppers.

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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 6:02:03 AM   
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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 6:06:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		How about the interview. Why are the pictures of her in the riske clothes she says she took for her boyfriend even given to the interviewers? What possible relevance could they have other than her trolling for noteriaty and job openings? The whole interview thing is just bizarre for someone that's trying to advance her victim status.

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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 6:19:05 AM   
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and i'm willing to bet they aren't taken in her office, but in a generic office to set the atmosphere.


You know, I've wondered about those photos. How could there be pictures of her in her office when she was fired which is what this is all about. I'm also suspicious because there are no other employees in the pics outside the office itself.

My guess is that she didn't like being told to tone it down, banks frequently require conservative dress, and was fired for failing to do so.


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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 8:22:28 AM   
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I wouldn't be so sure about this.

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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 2:23:44 PM   
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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 2:56:21 PM   
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Yeah, but Montreal is NOT the real world...its about the last place in North America where women are expected to be sexy...God I need to get down there for a vists...just strolling the streets there is good for an old man's soul.


You know, this goes a long way towards explaining why people keep telling me I don't live in the real world


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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 2:58:29 PM   
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Again... she cant sue.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Broadcast/sexy-citibank-employee-sue/story?id=10821077

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Buried beneath the attention-grabbing allegations, meanwhile, is a legal detail that means a lot for many workers, not just the attractive ones: Thanks to something known as a mandatory arbitration clause, Lorenzana likely will not have her day in court.

When she first began work at Citi in September 2008, the employment documents she signed included one stipulating that any employment disputes be resolved through arbitration, not in court.

............

The fact that Lorenzana essentially signed away her right to sue in court didn't come to Tuckner's attention until after they filed a lawsuit against Citi.

"She had no idea that she was signing into that when she took her job," he said. It's the type of agreement, he said, that many employees will sign without a second thought as part of the flood of paperwork that comes with a new job.


Makes me, again, wonder as to motive here. To be sure, i wouldnt have a lawyer who filed such a suit without doing his homework. But, if the intention was to get her attention, it worked perfectly.

So a suit was filed for harrassment against Citibank, a suit that can never go to trial. Am i the only one who sees a problem with how this part was handled?

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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 4:08:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find it rather weird whenever someone claims they are SO hot that they were discriminated against, and I do not buy it in this case....

I suppose if she had phrased it differently, like claimed she was sexually harassed, etc., well it might have played differently for me... but saying "po' me, Im too sexy for my job"... well it just sounds like bullshit.

I live in Southern California and attend a school that has gals just as or more beautiful than this broad at every turn, and I suppose it maybe where I live, but while she is attractive I hardly think that she would get fired for it. I think she has her hand out and expects something for nothing because she is more attractive than average. Women get sexually harassed on the job much too often, and for some reason I find this case to be minimizing those real cases of sexual harassment... I especially found her discription of her "overweight coworkers" wearing more sexy clothes to be extremely bad taste...just me

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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 4:16:01 PM   
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I love how LadyA is adamant that the nipchick has got to be in the right here. Me thinks it is probably going to go down (no pun intended) an entirely different route.


Perhaps. But ever notice that whenever a woman claims sexual harassment, the first thing that is going to be dragged out is how she looks, what she's wearing, anything in her past, to the point that it becomes a non-issue if she was or not. It turns into a media sex scandal circus.

That is the reason I've never reported any sexual harassment complaint and I've discouraged friends from doing it.

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It was her lawyer that brought her looks into this and compared her with other women in the workplace. I agree that looks have no bearing on her experiences, which undercuts her claims because she made them the issue by announcing herself as too hot to work... seriously, don't you find this a bit presumptuous and perhaps the claims were designed like this to gain media exposure?

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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 4:50:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		FR: In the CBS account, Citibank's human resource dept where she worked was furious when she complained because she was asked to tone down how she dressed. What we don't know is was it her complaint or perhaps the way she presented it that angered them.

It may not have been her job performance at all, but if she complained to everyone how unfairly she was being treated, that alone could have been grounds for her termination.

There is only the little bit of information that has been presented by the news coverage that is outlining Lorenzana's 'case' as it were. So all of the possibilities of what might have happened on Citibank's end are pure speculation. However, there is a very good chance that it is not as simplistic as "I was too sexy and the big, mean bank fired me."

Because there is so little information, as unfair as it may seem, I am looking at alternative explainations which are of course my own fabrications.

Somewhere out there, between her side and theirs is the truth.. and we will likely never know it all.

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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 5:10:40 PM   
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I think there is too little info to make any kind of a judgement. In the interview that I saw, she didn't claim to be "hot" or "too sexy". She claimed that she was told to dress down so as not to accentuate her figure.

I think a dress code is fine, but I think it should apply to all body types. If she was canned for wearing something that a skinny or fat girl is allowed to wear then I hope she makes out in the lawsuit.

I didn't see anything wrong with what she wore during the interview. If she was built like a pencil and had an A cup, no one would have thought twice about a tank top with a cardigan over it. But since she's busty, it's inappropriate? Bullshit. What's inappropriate is people who don't know how to keep their eyes on someone's face instead of their tits.


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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 7:29:39 PM   
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n the interview that I saw, she didn't claim to be "hot" or "too sexy". She claimed that she was told to dress down so as not to accentuate her figure.


Her lawyer claimed this, and to me it sounded like he was stating this to gain publicity. I do judge people by their choice in representatives. She also compared herself to other women... making them sound like dog meat to her sexy self, which I found tacky....her female coworkers and their weight shouldn't be an issue.

I have been the victim of sexual harassment in the workplace on two occasions. I did not think I was hotter or more sexy than my coworkers because of this. I thought that some men abuse their power, and I was most likely not the boss's only target. Sexual harassment is not about what women look like. For all this woman knew her coworker's were likewise told to dress differently, I doubt highly she was in on the conversations human resources had with her coworkers, just like they were not in on what was told to her




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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 7:52:58 PM   
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her female coworkers and their weight shouldn't be an issue.


It all depends. If the heavier or thinner less curvy girls are permitted to wear certain garments ( ie: the "turtleneck"), while she was told not not to, then the body-type of her co-workers is a viable issue, if that is the context in which it was raised.

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I have been the victim of sexual harassment in the workplace on two occasions. I did not think I was hotter or more sexy than my coworkers because of this. I thought that some men abuse their power, and I was most likely not the boss's only target. Sexual harassment is not about what women look like. For all this woman knew her coworker's were likewise told to dress differently, I doubt highly she was in on the conversations human resources had with her coworkers, just like they were not in on what was told to her




Maybe there are parts of this that I didn't see, but I didn't pick up on this being a claim for "sexual harrassment". At any rate, for me there just isn't enough information yet to "highly doubt" anything. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that there are companys that would pull something like this, nor would it surprise me to find out that the female is trying to capitalize after having been fired for incompetence. But I'm not about to judge and execute without knowing the facts. I'd be interested in seeing how the case plays out in the courts though.

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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 8:37:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps the word "co-workers" isnt exactly right. They were the tellers. She was investment banking. As you move up the corporate ladder, dress codes and expectations change. While men may feel very excited about talking to a curvy woman, do they trust her with their money? I dont know, i cant say. Many women are rich as well. Speaking as a woman, i would prfer someone more sedate with handling my money. Again, before im jumped on, this is simply my opinion. I do know in the industry im in, older women prefer dealing with women who are more professional than the pictures i saw.

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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 8:47:52 PM   
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I love how LadyA is adamant that the nipchick has got to be in the right here. Me thinks it is probably going to go down (no pun intended) an entirely different route.


Perhaps. But ever notice that whenever a woman claims sexual harassment, the first thing that is going to be dragged out is how she looks, what she's wearing, anything in her past, to the point that it becomes a non-issue if she was or not. It turns into a media sex scandal circus.

That is the reason I've never reported any sexual harassment complaint and I've discouraged friends from doing it.

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It was her lawyer that brought her looks into this and compared her with other women in the workplace. I agree that looks have no bearing on her experiences, which undercuts her claims because she made them the issue by announcing herself as too hot to work... seriously, don't you find this a bit presumptuous and perhaps the claims were designed like this to gain media exposure?


You know Julia, I guess I forgot about the whole American way of doing things. I mean, here in Canada, because a woman is unlikely to get a huge cash settlement for suing for sexual harassment, nor would she have access to the potential level of fame that she would in the US, it is unlikely that she would subject herself to the humiliation of the process.

I guess I was looking at this whole situation from a Canadian perspective. I'm starting to see how it could be played out in a completely different way in the US.

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RE: Fired for being to sexy? - 6/6/2010 9:13:05 PM   
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I didn't see anything wrong with what she wore during the interview. If she was built like a pencil and had an A cup, no one would have thought twice about a tank top with a cardigan over it. But since she's busty, it's inappropriate? Bullshit. What's inappropriate is people who don't know how to keep their eyes on someone's face instead of their tits.




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