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Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/5/2010 12:53:46 PM   
blueyedbbw


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I rent out a fixer upper, no contract thats where I screwed up, 2/2 double wide mobile home on 5 acres. The rent was 300 a month, and he is supposed to do all repairs, after 7 months he has only done a two things, and then he had the nerve to take that cost out of the rent, the well pump went out so I had to borrow money from my dad, I raised his rent to 375, (I could rent it out for 600 and do the repairs myself or have someone do them) now he is calling me a liar, and says he had no idea he was expected to do repairs, and refuses to pay the extra rent. I have others that can prove he knew it, he is 6'4 and got in my face last month and yell down at me, literally, when I raised his rent, not just because of the well but also because he has not once paid on time, sometimes I don't get the rent till the end of the month, he makes 15 a hour under the table, yet still has not got the electric or gas in his name. He has not even given a deposit for either. Excuse after excuse.
For as much as I need the rental income, I would just as soon kick him out, or at least shut off all the utilities, but without a contract I am afraid of the legal ramifications.
I realize I am not actually asking a question, more of ranting and throwing a fit. LOL
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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/5/2010 1:04:17 PM   
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I know this is another expense but you need a lawyer who specializes in landlord/tenant law.  At least see a paralegal as they cost less but have a lot of practical knowledge.  That way you can serve the proper papers and have the sheriff kick him out.  My boy friend has had to do it a couple times.  It's not something you can easily tackle yourself. 

My boy friend had an agreement with a lady to rent his place.  We don't live near the rental most of the year but when there we always ask if anything needed fixed and she said all was well.  Then she got 2 months behind in rent and suddenly announced the place was not liveable, told us to keep her damage deposit and took off.  Months later when we got back there we found out why.  The roof leaked so the bathroom floor rotted.  The toilets were all cracked and had added to the water problems.  She didn't heat the place so all the water lines burst.  The windows were broken.  Apparently she didn't want us to know she was keeping lots of dogs in there.  Took over $5,000 in just materials to make it half way liveable again.   Last Sept he orally raised the rent for his other tenant.  She promptly forgot and is still paying the lower amount.  He's been good to her.  It's the first raise in rent in 3 years.  His mistake was not sending her a certified letter. 

Moral of story...ALWAYS put it on paper. 

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/5/2010 1:12:08 PM   
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dito, always do it on paper...

one of our tenant parties partially burned our house down in 2003...following which we realised how badly they treated it and my dad changed their contract with a) raising their rent, and b) he will come at least once a year to check the property.

8 or 9 years ago they also damaged our water pipe, in this case as they didn't shut off the water during winter and so it burst...they never bothered to repair it...they also damaged 2 windows, obviously never cleaned the toilets, therefore my dad had also costs in exchanging them, had to exchange one sink where they managed to get a huge crack in and whatever else was run down by them. they still hope naively to get anything back from their deposit...right...cause 4 weeks work for my dad to renovate all again and then get money back? certainly not...

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/5/2010 1:18:49 PM   
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Without a contract you should be in a month to month tenancy. You can file for his eviction, but it might take some time to get the bum out. In the meantime expect that there may be some retribution. I witnessed one case so bad, the tenants did not use the toilets, instead chosing to wipe their butts on the walls. After 8 months the couple and their children were forced out. The trash was left, roaches were so bad that fumigation only made them run into other apartments. The apartment no longer had a sink, the toilet was kicked in, and the furnace was used for cooking eggs.
The owner had to gut the entire apartment and the one below due to the damage left in their wake.

Hopefully your tenant won't be an evil crazy bastard.

As far as turning off the utilities, I don't think that is legal. You might want to check into that before you do.

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/5/2010 1:23:01 PM   
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I would just as soon kick him out, or at least shut off all the utilities, but without a contract I am afraid of the legal ramifications.



Whatever you do, DO NOT shut off his utilities, or you may find yourself paying this guy big bucks.  If he pays month to month with no contract, then he is a month to month tenant and is subject to eviction with one month's notice.  This is not legal advice, click on the link below to educate yourself.

Being a landlord is not for the amateur.  Go here and start learning about landlord/tenant law (interactive).

The full text of the law is here: http://www.thelpa.com/lpa/landlord-tenant-law/new-mexico-landlord-tenant-law.html

If you want to know what a determined renter can do to a landlord, rent the movie Pacific Heights.  Yeah, it's just a movie, but a whole lot of it is very, very true.

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/5/2010 1:37:26 PM   
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Thank you all very much!!! And I though I had problems so sorry for all you have gone through!!! If I can get him to sign the contract I know I am covered. Just getting him to sign it is the problem!! And the fact that he is a neat freak, compulsive...really bad!!! makes me.... HOPE.... that he will not do nothing,,,,I am also only about 400 feet away I live on the 5 acres next to him and being in a small town I know what Church he goes too and even though I do not believe in that, some of his friends that go to his church are my friends too.

I seen Pacific Heights years ago..Scary.. the only difference is, he knows, for a fact that, I will, shoot to kill when my life is in danger, and without hesitation.

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/5/2010 4:55:41 PM   
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A verbal contract is a contract as well. Small claims court can handle those cases if need be. Good luck to you.

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/5/2010 6:32:46 PM   
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..a problem is that work done is hard to measure.

I sure hope it works out for you.

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/5/2010 6:57:13 PM   
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You are the landlord.  If there is no lease, you can give him 30 days to vacate the property or sign a lease.  If he chooses not to sign the lease then he will need to move out and give him 30 days to do so. NEVER NEVER NEVER enter into an ORAL agreement.  Because while you believe you are right, the other party may be more convincing that they are right.  And i find that on most occassions both parties are more wrong as to what was agreed to than right. Educate yourself as someone else indicated.

As the landlord. you have a right to inspect the property and usually landlords are required to give notice of entering the property -- i think most are twenty-four hour notice you will be entering the property.  Take a video camera with a date and videotape the property.

I would also write a letter to him documenting the issues and what the oral agreement was, outline the lack of repairs he has made, as well as his incorrectly taking the repair expense out of his rent (you should have objected to this in writing the minute he did so and demanded full rent).  As for raising his rent, was it part of the agreement, and did you give him a 30 day notice of raising his rent?   IF you allowed him to take money out of the rent for repairs and didn't object and demand the full rent from him, i doubt any judge will agree that your raising his rent to pay for the repair would be contractually legal and if you did not demand the full rent from him when he took money off for the repairs and he has receipts or proof of payment showing this, you may be screwed in court.

Its a bad situation, you were wrong in not putting things in writing.  Verbal agreements are vast concept of misinterpretation especially when it comes to money issues.  Now you can fix it by correcting your error and spelling everything out in a lease.   I would get a form landlord/tenant lease and then personalize it for what you want.  You can go to him, let things sit as they lie and say from here on out you want everything spelled out and he will need to sign the lease (and if you are willing be open for negotiation as to repairs etc, if not then be firm) or vacate the premises. 

DO NOT talk to his friends or family or church members etc, he may not be as wrong as you believe but you both could have misinterprested the understanding of your agreement.  Trying to bring other people into it will simply create more bad blood for many not just you two.

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/5/2010 7:07:54 PM   
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Forget about him signing a contract.  He won't do it, or else will do it as a delaying tactic and then will keep screwing you. He's a bad tenant - just give him a 30 day notice.

I suggest you check out www.mrlandlord.com .  Unfortunately most of the landlords there are from states other than New Mexico.

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/5/2010 8:17:23 PM   
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If money for legal advise is an issue contact your local college/university...they often have free clinics to give their students actual real-world cases to study...they will give you free advise that is a hell of a lot more accurate than anything we on here can give you.

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/5/2010 10:53:37 PM   
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Thank you all very much!!! And I though I had problems so sorry for all you have gone through!!! If I can get him to sign the contract I know I am covered. Just getting him to sign it is the problem!! And the fact that he is a neat freak, compulsive...really bad!!! makes me.... HOPE.... that he will not do nothing,,,,I am also only about 400 feet away I live on the 5 acres next to him and being in a small town I know what Church he goes too and even though I do not believe in that, some of his friends that go to his church are my friends too.

I seen Pacific Heights years ago..Scary.. the only difference is, he knows, for a fact that, I will, shoot to kill when my life is in danger, and without hesitation.


You don't need a lawyer to get him out. A paralegal might be helpful, but most states have enacted laws that allow the courts to help (not advise) landlords (and tenants) file the proper paperwork on these issues.

In most states, even without a lease, and a tenant who is month to month, there are several issues that need to be considered.

When there is no lease, typically "standard rental rules" apply. In other words, whatever the most basic lease says is what applies in this case.

As to the repairs, you have your basic "he said/she said" situation, and you would most likely be better off letting the issue go. The aggravation of proving your side, and then what was included in those "repairs" is probably not worth the outcome. In other words, you aren't going to get additional monies from the guy for not making the repairs.

The idea that because he is month to month, you can just give him 30 days notice may or may not be true. I live in NJ, and just because someone is month to month doesn't mean a tenant can receive 30 days notice to vacate without cause. We are a pro-tenant state.

Regardless of that, YOU have just cause. He is not paying the rent on time. He has not put the utilities in his name (does he pay those on time?)

So what do you do to get the guy out? First send him a certified letter (return receipt requested) spellling out what the problems are and how you expect them to be resolved. You don't mention how long he has lived there. If it has been more than a year, a reasonable rent increase is completely in order. Seventy-five dollars, by the way is reasonable. Most landlord/tenant law also allows a landlord to raise the rent if maintenance, taxes and the like increase to cover the cost.

I would suggest that you write him a letter spelling out that he has consistently been late with the rent and in the future, if the rent is not received by the 5th day of the month, you will begin eviction proceedings. Also note that the utilities were to be placed in his name and if this is not done within 30 days, you will begin eviction proceedings. Explain that due to the rising costs of maintaining the property, it is necessary to increase the rent by $75.00 beginning the 1st of the month for the next month (give approximately 30 days notice of that). Tell him that if he does not agree to the rent increase or any of the other issues, he is free to leave and should let you know within 7 days if he intends to comply or move. If you don't get an answer begin evicition proceedings.

Many states have managed to expedite the process of landlord/tenant court and you will be given a court date typically within 30 days. Keep in mind that if you file for non payment of rent and he pays, your case will be dismissed. That is why you DON'T file for non payment, but for consistent late payments, failure to put the utilities in his name and here you can bring in the fact that he agreed to bear the cost of repairs and isn't holding up his end of that bargain.

That doesn't mean there won't be any delays, but given what you have told us so far, in the end, he will either pay on time and comply with the other issues or get out.

Feel free to cmail me on the other side if you want to discuss this any further.

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/6/2010 12:14:02 AM   
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As the landlord. you have a right to inspect the property


Be careful; this is not true in all states.  I had this issue with a landlord (California), and I got a thorough education on the subject in my state.  Landlords do NOT have the right to inspect the property.  California law is very clear, and a valid reason for the landlord entering the dwelling is ONLY one of these:

- in a true emergency (flooding from plumbing, etc.)
- when the tenant has moved out or abandoned the unit
- to make necessary or agreed-upon repairs, decorations, alterations, or other improvements (entering to determine if a problem exists is not allowed)
- to show the property to prospective tenants or buyers (only if appropriate notice described elsewhere is given)
- if a court order allows it
- if the tenant has a waterbed, to inspect the installation of the waterbed when the installation has been completed, and periodically after that to assure the installation meets the law's requirements (the law does not specify what timeframe "periodically" refers to)
- for a pre-moveout inspection. This is valid only when the tenant asks the landlord to inspect the premises prior to moveout so that the tenants can make any needed repairs or cleaning, so it is not deducted from the deposit.  This action must be requested by the tenant; the landlord is not allowed to do it otherwise.

My landlord was shocked when the court mediator said, "you can't just go in whenever you want to, whether or not you gave notice", and the landlord said, "but all my friends do it with their rental properties", to which the mediator responded, "they're lucky they weren't arrested."

I would caution against taking ANY advice that is not specific to your own state. 

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/6/2010 12:37:12 AM   
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My landlord was shocked when the court mediator said, "you can't just go in whenever you want to, whether or not you gave notice", and the landlord said, "but all my friends do it with their rental properties", to which the mediator responded, "they're lucky they weren't arrested."

Thanks for that, Cali! My boss/landlord thinks he has the right to walk into my home any time he wants, and ignores even the 24 hour notice deal if he thinks he can get away with it. He has also been known to ask friends and family who visit the property in his absence to 'poke their heads' into the staff's paid for, private spaces if the door isn't locked.

He's in for a surprise the next time he tries that shit.


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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/6/2010 3:08:23 AM   
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Oh boy. Now I can't really deal with NM law because I don't know specifics, but I know there are certain constants. We all pay for our education, and unfortunately your tuition is due. (shoulda seen what it cost me to learn gambling)

Now, unfortunately for me in Cleveland, unless otherwise specified the owner pays the water and sewage. If it is otherwise specified by contract (lease) it belongs in their name. Sometimes people don't do that, instead they just show the bill and the tenant remits the amount. If not the owner can shut the water off. This is far and wide the fastest way to get them out. Of course it depends on local laws.

However, now that you've been paying their utilities for a time longer than a month, you made a [something] facto case for them that it is included in the rent. That was your first mistake. What you should've done was just call and have it all shut off during the very first month of occupancy. If, in court they claim those costs should be included in the rent, you can easily claim they are lying because "Your Honor, look at how much the rent is, how stupid would I have to be to include utilities ?". Continuing to pay them after the first billing cycle establishes a prima facie case for them. Assuming that avenue is screwed up we move on to......

Non payment of rent. Contrary to what some people say this is a good way to get rid of them. But you must remember not to accept it. In other words, refuse to write them a reciept and/or DO NOT cash their check. If you do not cash their check they will no doubt bring in their ledger and show it as proof that they paid, but it will not wash with the court. The court may actually view it as an attempt at fraud, which will blow them out of the water. The court will then ask you if you are willing to accept the payment if they pay you right then and there, to which you reply "No, after they tried to screw me this way I don't want it". This "shows" the court that you at least feel defrauded.

Now unless there are rent controls in that venue, you could concievably raise the rent to $12 trillion per month (the national debt). However this is likely to be viewed as something else by the court so it is not advisable unless you got one hell of a lawyer. Speaking of lawyers, if you don't have one, the court is not going to appoint one so you will have to represent yourself pro se. You are a property owner and most places will deny you a court appointed lawyer on that basis.

So now you are in a trick bag and the main idea here is to get out, more specifically to get them out. And do rent the movie Pacific Heights, consider it a worst case scenario, and DO enjoy the end, which I'll not spoil for you. I think that movie should be required viewing for anyone who intends to become a landlord. I mean expect the worst, and appreciate anything better.

But the basic tenet is - if you don't want them in the house and they don't have a lease, they will be gone. But all these verbal agreements don't mean a thing, and NEVER, and I mean EVER let a tenant do any work whatsoever on the property. You either fix it up or rent it as is. This is where the law gets complicated because in some cases as is can mean alot of things, in other venues different standards apply. Almost everywhere though there are constants. You are responsible for wiring and plumbing. Up here an adequate heating system must be maintained by the owner. Most of the time you can let the tenant spackle and paint, if you choose. I recommend against even that. They can install carpet for example, but if it's wall to wall and installed they have to leave it. But then what kind of shape is it going to be in when they are finally out ? One guess is all you need. When we rented we had our own carpet, if the place was carpeted our's went on top of theirs. But it was never installed, we sent it out to be cleaned and took it with us when we left. They can do that. But in most venues if it is screwed or nailed down they have to leave it or replace it with whatever was there before they changed it. This applies to things like cieling fans and light fixtures, also a gray area because you can insist that such things are done only by licensed contractors, quite legally in fact. (things are quite different when it comes to commercial property, and I'm glad we're not on that)

The basic fact is this, it will probably take you about two months to get them out, and don't expect a dime out of them especially if he works under the table. You could turn him in for tax evasion but that might not stick, and doing it now might be viewed as a malicious act, so if you care to try, do it after they are out. It helps if you know where they work. If you jam up the company they work for you jam them up. Sorry about their luck. In this case revenge is a dish best served cold, and you might not want them to know where it is coming from because they know where you are and you don't know where they are. Remember, if they are willing to screw you over when they live in your house, what do you think they might do when they don't ? I don't mean to scare you but be aware of this and if possible, don't escalate the situation any more than necessary to regain posession of your property.

Now the next time around, fix the place up yourself. Take pictures and insist on a lease. Six months will do but even if you make it self renewing all of the terms can be spelled out. Get this, you CAN write a lease contrary to the law but not IN VIOLATION of the law. There is a big difference between the two. And this is not law mumbo jumbo from Real or Hunky, many contracts go against norms for the exchange in your venue, and it may take a bit of legal research to know the difference. What you absolutely can't do is write a contract that is IN VIOLATION of the law. That will render it null and void in court.

Always insist on a full deposit and rent before handing over the keys, no deals. Once that money is in your hot little hand, turn the electric and gas off the same day if you can. That's the deal. Like I said in some areas you can't do that with the water. If you find that in the normal exchange in these matters in your area require the tenant to pay water, have it turned off now and notify the building department downtown. They will be put out in a matter of days in most jurisdictions. The only thing is to make absolutely sure it is legal. And then we have that prima facie case. However if they can't prove they paid the rent, you can simply tell the court that you don't have the money to pay someone to be a squatter in your house. This should fly usually. This is the fulcrum of your power, which is why it is imperative that you do not accept the rent money. Even if they try to pay, refuse it. They could mug you and be a put-pocket and shove it in your pocket or purse, but only you can write the reciept. You MUST NOT do this.

In fact if the situation is adversarial at this point the best course is to avoid all contact with them. They will say they tried to call you and you say you tried to call them, equal weight in court. But then the court will see who owes whom, and take that into consideration.

DO familiarize yourself with local laws on this matter, it doesn't sound like you intend to hire a high powered attorney for this matter. Hell it would be cheaper to buy some bikers a couple of kegs of beer and they could be sorry they ever set foot in the place, but I am assuming that you don't want to go that route. Even something like that needs to be considered, because dem guys ain't gonna stick around forever. Having someone else handle your dirty work like that is bad business.

So you see in the end it is YOUR problem. Get familiar with the law. I'll be here and can tell you how to find the jugular vein, to go in for the kill, to litigate. But you must know the specifics. And remember, this is pretty much like a divorce, nobody wins. All you can do is minimize your losses.

If you want to get nasty, you'll have to get me on the other side. I will not put it out here. Applying duress can be fun, I mean super glue, things like that. If you go that route just make sure not to get caught because then in court you can say "Well if they screw the landlord who else have they screwwed, they probably have enemies all of the place".

I don't play to lose. I can handle these things here, where I am familiar with the law and the system. Don't take my word as gospel. Things are not the same all over and you have to sit down and put yourself in their place. Think of all the things they can do, the tools at their disposal. Be ready for as many eventualities as you can. Not to bring up the sordid subject, but for example if they are of a different race than you, they might play the race card. In which case you need a trump card. If they are any kind of minority, expect anything. If they have kids, expect worse.

But you will emerge victorious eventually, with a hell of alot more knowledge than you had when you walked into the snake pit. I doubt you'll make the same mistakes again.

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/6/2010 7:33:09 AM   
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haul your rear down to your local county courthouse; ask for the landlord/tenants disputes and resolutions dept.; they are the law over landlord and tenants and will tell you everything you need to do and all for free!

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/6/2010 8:45:23 AM   
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I would think your stuck with him for the rest of June at least.  Take this time to find out your rights in the state of NM and be prepared to execute those rights on July 1. 

Most places if your on a month to month either party can opt out with 30 days notice.  If you can do that and give him his 30 days on July 1, you should have him out of your hair by August.  The way he has been paying you I would suspect you might never see July's rent.

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/6/2010 9:03:49 AM   
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WOW thanks a lot everyone!!! Wish I could address you all, so much good info!!
I never inspect the place, and I do give 24 hour notice if I do go over there. Which has only been about 4 times. He does pay the utilities but never on time.
And someone mentioned landlord pays the sewer and water, that is on a well and a septic so no problems there I even buy the septic treatment for him.
I also did give him a notice that the rent would go up. So he knew about it when he paid part rent last month.
I am old fashioned and trust someone when they give there word, gonna have to change that now.
Thanks Again Everyone, will let you all know what happens, I am hoping he just moves out. LOL

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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/6/2010 10:25:31 AM   
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Thanks for that, Cali! My boss/landlord thinks he has the right to walk into my home any time he wants, ...


Here is the California Landlord-Tenant Guide.  

There are separate rules for lodgers (someone staying in the landlord's home) and other situations.  It's a great booklet and was very helpful to me. 

Cali


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RE: Renter, Honest opinions, I know I screwed up!! - 6/7/2010 8:16:39 AM   
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Send him a certified letter stating he is on a month to month lease at x amount of money and no moneys can be used for repairs without  landlord first agreeing to this in writing. Raise the rent to cover cost of necessary repairs.

In two months when he hasn't paid the rent per the letter, start eviction proceedings. Call police if he harasses you. Call police if you are not permitted in to inspect the place after giving 24 hour notice. State that all heat/electric/utilities must be in his name within 15 days as you are otherwise assuming he is vacating and will have them turned off.

And next time have a proper contract and spend the money to do a full credit and other check on prospective tenants. Have them pay the cost when they submit an application to rent.


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