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Level -> Inside a Chinese factory (6/6/2010 7:02:51 PM)

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The Foxconn sites in Shenzhen have a reputation as grueling workplaces, where tasks are timed with a stopwatch.

The body of a 19-year-old worker named Ma Xiangqian was found in front of his high-rise dormitory at 4:30 a.m. Police investigators concluded that he had leapt from a high floor, and they ruled it a suicide.

His family, including his 22-year-old sister who worked at the same company, Foxconn Technology, said he hated the job he had held only since November — an 11-hour overnight shift, seven nights a week, forging plastic and metal into electronics parts amid fumes and dust. Or at least that was Mr. Ma’s job until, after a run-in with his supervisor, he was demoted in December to cleaning toilets.

Mr. Ma’s pay stub shows that he worked 286 hours in the month before he died, including 112 hours of overtime, about three times the legal limit. For all of that, even with extra pay for overtime, he earned the equivalent of $1 an hour.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/business/global/07suicide.html





popeye1250 -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/6/2010 7:21:02 PM)

This is only one reason that I don't buy anything or wear anything that says "Made in China" on it.
And after having two lamps go on fire in the last few years and a night light blowing out an electrical socket I certainly won't buy anything that requires plugging into an electrical socket that's Made in China!
This kid was working seven days a week eh?




Marini -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/6/2010 7:37:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

The Foxconn sites in Shenzhen have a reputation as grueling workplaces, where tasks are timed with a stopwatch.

The body of a 19-year-old worker named Ma Xiangqian was found in front of his high-rise dormitory at 4:30 a.m. Police investigators concluded that he had leapt from a high floor, and they ruled it a suicide.

His family, including his 22-year-old sister who worked at the same company, Foxconn Technology, said he hated the job he had held only since November — an 11-hour overnight shift, seven nights a week, forging plastic and metal into electronics parts amid fumes and dust. Or at least that was Mr. Ma’s job until, after a run-in with his supervisor, he was demoted in December to cleaning toilets.

Mr. Ma’s pay stub shows that he worked 286 hours in the month before he died, including 112 hours of overtime, about three times the legal limit. For all of that, even with extra pay for overtime, he earned the equivalent of $1 an hour.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/business/global/07suicide.html


What a sad story, R.I.P. Mr. Ma.
How in the world can workers in the United States compete with someone working 286 hours for $1?
Outsourcing is often the modern day equivalent to slavery.


Bye, Bye Miss American Pie; Outsourcing is Tantamount to Slavery




popeye1250 -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/6/2010 7:46:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

The Foxconn sites in Shenzhen have a reputation as grueling workplaces, where tasks are timed with a stopwatch.

The body of a 19-year-old worker named Ma Xiangqian was found in front of his high-rise dormitory at 4:30 a.m. Police investigators concluded that he had leapt from a high floor, and they ruled it a suicide.

His family, including his 22-year-old sister who worked at the same company, Foxconn Technology, said he hated the job he had held only since November — an 11-hour overnight shift, seven nights a week, forging plastic and metal into electronics parts amid fumes and dust. Or at least that was Mr. Ma’s job until, after a run-in with his supervisor, he was demoted in December to cleaning toilets.

Mr. Ma’s pay stub shows that he worked 286 hours in the month before he died, including 112 hours of overtime, about three times the legal limit. For all of that, even with extra pay for overtime, he earned the equivalent of $1 an hour.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/business/global/07suicide.html


What a sad story, R.I.P. Mr. Ma.
How in the world can workers in the United States compete with someone working 286 hours for $1?
Outsourcing is often the modern day equivalent to slavery.


Bye, Bye Miss American Pie; Outsourcing is Tantamount to Slavery



Marini, it *is* the modern day equivalent to slavery. Check out the "Drugstore" thread.




Marini -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/6/2010 7:51:38 PM)

I just posted on it, Popeye.
Sad thing is, when most people realize this, our country will be in shambles.
Maybe soon, some of the unemployed can get jobs in Chinese factories.
Maybe the Chinese can open factories here in the United States?


Guess who we also are in debt to???
Red China!  I never thought I would live to see this day. 

 

China holds more U.S. debt than indicated - Washington Times
 




Marini -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/6/2010 9:31:29 PM)

Let's see the factories in Shenzhen where Mr. Ma worked make products for companies like Apple, Dell,
and HP?
We all know that Red China has never been a proponent for human rights, and we buy most of their products.

 
Funny, that no-one really talks about this sort of thing much.
Where are all the people that preach how we are improving the lives of these people when we read articles like this?

Humm I forgot, we are now in a global economy, I guess everything is okie dokie.
We don't need those jobs in this country, Americans are not going to work for $1 an hour.

Maybe if we keep lowering our standards of living here, Americans might one day work for $2 an hour!  Downward mobility at its finest.
I always wonder "how low can we go"?

I am glad many of the younger Chinese workers are starting to rebel against this modern day slavery, it is sad that many think suicide is their only way out.
I hate to say it, but even the rash of suicides won't be enough for Red China/and the American corporations they are in bed with, to change their labor practices.




Level -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/7/2010 3:50:46 AM)

Aw, come on folks... what's a few suicides, if it means we can save some more money at Wal-Mart?




LadyEllen -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/7/2010 4:00:29 AM)

Unfortunately it isnt just China, its worldwide. And it isnt that long since it was our great grandparents who had similar lives. They fought like hell so that we could live in the paradise we have but I suspect are losing, and which is now supported by the hellish lives of others elsewhere.

The truth of it is that our lives are pretty damned easy, even for those at the bottom of our societies, compared to the rest of the world, and its their suffering that makes it all possible.

When push comes to shove are we going to give up what we enjoy for their benefit? That is, if we should have any choice in the matter of course, which looks an increasingly less likely situation.

Arbeit und Brot shall be the whole of the law.

E




Level -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/7/2010 4:04:56 AM)

You're right, it just isn't China, but they are perhaps the worst offender. And, it's also true that some of their people now have somewhat decent lives, due to the global economy. It isn't totally black and white.




ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/7/2010 4:17:54 AM)

Nothing made in China, popeye?
While I appreciate (and share) the sentiment, how are you able to post here? Are you using a PC? A Mac? A smart phone? Where was it made? Probably NOT in the US. Sad but true, it's damn-near impossible to go through our modern lives without a ton of crap that was "Made in China".

~Dave






servantforuse -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/7/2010 6:07:39 AM)

Have to agree with Dave on this one Popeye. Parts of the Lincoln you drive probably came from China. Sad but true, almost everything that we use now comes from there or other 3rd world countries.




MrRodgers -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/7/2010 9:45:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
When push comes to shove are we going to give up what we enjoy for their benefit? That is, if we should have any choice in the matter of course, which looks an increasingly less likely situation.

E

On the contrary, we (western middle class) are the exception and our offspring will be much more like them you speak of...than us. The poverty we see around the world...IS the future.




Vendaval -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/7/2010 1:49:49 PM)

Remember the debates of Most Favored Nation status and human rights abuses? How about the Tiananmen Square demonstrations in 1989?

Found a great quote attributed to former President Nixon -


"An even more forceful, almost brutal, argument was made by Old China Hand Richard Nixon in the book he finished just before his death: “Today China’s economic power makes U.S. lectures about human rights imprudent. Within a decade it will make them irrelevant. Within two decades it will make them laughable.

“By then the Chinese may threaten to withhold MFN status from the U.S. unless we do more to improve living conditions in Detroit, Harlem, and South Central Los Angeles.”

http://greenmarketpress.wordpress.com/2010/05/18/the-most-favored-nation-and-human-rights/




TheHeretic -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/7/2010 7:07:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini


I am glad many of the younger Chinese workers are starting to rebel against this modern day slavery, it is sad that many think suicide is their only way out.




That might be a very bloody rebellion, Mari.

Remember this guy?




flcouple2009 -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/7/2010 8:25:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

This is only one reason that I don't buy anything or wear anything that says "Made in China" on it.
And after having two lamps go on fire in the last few years and a night light blowing out an electrical socket I certainly won't buy anything that requires plugging into an electrical socket that's Made in China!
This kid was working seven days a week eh?


Your turning off your computer soon?  I can almost guarantee you have parts in it that were made in China.  Let's start with the motherboard.  Used to be those came from part factories in Taiwan, but they have been shuffling everything over to the mainland.




Marini -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/7/2010 8:29:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
When push comes to shove are we going to give up what we enjoy for their benefit? That is, if we should have any choice in the matter of course, which looks an increasingly less likely situation.

E

On the contrary, we (western middle class) are the exception and our offspring will be much more like them you speak of...than us. The poverty we see around the world...IS the future.



We are creating one of the few generations that  "over-all" will not be as successful as their parents.
The term, "downward mobility" is becoming very common.
 




DomYngBlk -> RE: Inside a Chinese factory (6/9/2010 5:47:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

This is only one reason that I don't buy anything or wear anything that says "Made in China" on it.
And after having two lamps go on fire in the last few years and a night light blowing out an electrical socket I certainly won't buy anything that requires plugging into an electrical socket that's Made in China!
This kid was working seven days a week eh?


Ok, I am agreeing with something your writing. One of us is off our meds.




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