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InvisibleBlack -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castles (6/7/2010 8:24:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain When people like Warren Buffett have the same or higher income tax rate than his secretary I think that would be appropriate. So you'd be okay with a flat tax? That would be "fair"?

eyesopened -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castles (6/8/2010 4:01:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain I always suspected you are loaded and living the good life. quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened Why do I enjoy a great standard of living? Why would you suspect that?? I'm honestly interested. What have I posted that would make you think I am loaded? (I assume you meant with money because I don't drink or use drugs). What is your definition of "loaded" and your definition of "the good life"?

eyesopened -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castles (6/8/2010 5:45:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain I think it's just luck, being in the right place at the right time. Do you really believe this? Where's the science in that? You suspect I am "loaded"? Just lucky? Right place right time? Fuck you, Brain. I only got "lucky" because I did not sit on my ass and wait for luck or opportunity or the right time. I stood up on my hind legs and made my luck. I have on more than one occassion walked into a company who was NOT hiring and told them they needed me. Guess what. In every instance, they created a position for me. Created one! No, I made my right place right time. I could have not done that sitting around moping about what other people have. Not one single time in my life have I known any wealthy person to have taken one thing from me. My great standard of living will not be any better if Paris Hilton loses her trust fund.

LaTigresse -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 6:42:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Can you be sure that she isn't Paris Hilton, effendi? Speaking of whom, there's a great example of someone born to riches who definitely hasn't been taught how to manage money. "Daddy pays" isn't a great way to teach the kiddies how to manage money on their own. The money runs out after Daddy dies.....ooops. It might interest you to do a little investigating in this particular example. I cannot stand the 'PH' image but the reality is that it is a very cleverly marketed image that has helped increase the Hilton coffers quite substantially. A perfect example of the wealthy managing their money very well. Using money and all that it entails to grow wealth. And PA, I am not a legit farmer. Not by a long shot. I have a hobby farm. I grew up dirt poor, very very poor actually. I would venture to say moreso than most of the people posting on here. I am now middle class America. I work an 8 - 5 job and collect a reasonable paycheck. I work to support my little farm, not visa versa. When I wrote about farmers, I was talking hundreds, even thousands of acres, many head of livestock, equipment that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars each. (go price a combine!).

pahunkboy -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 6:55:23 AM)
LAT, You are a cheerleader for Rothschilds.

LadyEllen -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 6:57:21 AM)
I've got a brand new combine harvester And I'll give you the key Come on now lets get together In perfect harmony Totally lost on our friends over the water of course, the deep and subtle meanings of the lyrics of that underrated band The Wurzels calls to mind the very nature of this thread. Or something. Possibly being pissed up on cider. E

LaTigresse -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 6:58:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy LAT, You are a cheerleader for Rothschilds. And you are a fool. I am simply realistic about how the world works.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 7:07:11 AM)
quote: It might interest you to do a little investigating in this particular example. I cannot stand the 'PH' image but the reality is that it is a very cleverly marketed image that has helped increase the Hilton coffers quite substantially. A perfect example of the wealthy managing their money very well. Using money and all that it entails to grow wealth. Sure, except that she was a party girl spending Daddy's money long before she became a brand.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 7:27:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen I know exactly why I am not wealthy. I pay on time, and agree reasonable prices with suppliers and pay employees good salaries and benefit packages. If I used what I know to pay minimum wage and then to rip the guts out of every supplier then unfortunate enough to supply me and then messed them about for a good while to delay and preferably avoid paying them including when they eventually took me to Court (where I could stretch it for a year at least), I would be wealthy. And everyone should think me a jolly fine person - a self made millionaire. Shame about the people I shat on for a year or so who lost their businesses, homes and families, but thats life eh? Probably dysfunctional or even criminal anyway, what with being poor. E There are good and bad in every class. Not all wealthy people gained their riches by refusing to pay employees living wages and refusing to offer decent benefits. I do think those who have deserve to be hated.

Moonhead -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 7:30:47 AM)
JCB are particularly bad for this one, by most accounts.

pahunkboy -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 7:42:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy LAT, You are a cheerleader for Rothschilds. And you are a fool. I am simply realistic about how the world works. The Rothschilds yaught- how do you feel about funding it? You do. Nevermind that you could get paid 10k more a year. But the elite 1% wont have that. Who is the fool?

Musicmystery -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 7:46:36 AM)
You are. I learned early, as a musician and writer (later in business), to pay close attention to who owned what rights to what properties and what they could do with them. So I do get paid more--$25,000+ more than my peers on average. It's not the rich man's game people make it out to be. Just pay attention.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castles (6/8/2010 7:50:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I really do find it so amusing that people that are not wealthy, love so much to despise those that are wealthy. The reality is that, many of those wealthy people, if you removed their wealth, they would be able to regain it. Most of the people that are not wealthy, if you gave them wealth, they would lose it. There really are better, more productive and positive things to do with time and energy than channeling negative shit towards people that have more materially than we do. Some people who gain instant wealth would lose it if they didn't take the time to find out how to keep it. Others would have the intelligence to live off of and pay taxes on the interest. As for hating those who gained their wealth by taking advantage of others, how it affects a person's life depends on how much time they spend thinking about it. Spending too much time obsessing over something is never a good idea. But if no resentment existed, there would never be any hope of change. Life has no meaning without hope.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 8:37:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy LAT, You are a cheerleader for Rothschilds. And you are a fool. I am simply realistic about how the world works. The Rothschilds yaught- how do you feel about funding it? You do. Nevermind that you could get paid 10k more a year. But the elite 1% wont have that. Who is the fool? You are screaming in your sleep for others to wake up.

LaTigresse -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castles (6/8/2010 8:43:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I really do find it so amusing that people that are not wealthy, love so much to despise those that are wealthy. The reality is that, many of those wealthy people, if you removed their wealth, they would be able to regain it. Most of the people that are not wealthy, if you gave them wealth, they would lose it. There really are better, more productive and positive things to do with time and energy than channeling negative shit towards people that have more materially than we do. Some people who gain instant wealth would lose it if they didn't take the time to find out how to keep it. Others would have the intelligence to live off of and pay taxes on the interest. As for hating those who gained their wealth by taking advantage of others, how it affects a person's life depends on how much time they spend thinking about it. Spending too much time obsessing over something is never a good idea. But if no resentment existed, there would never be any hope of change. Life has no meaning without hope. Yet hope is worthless if is only backed up with bitterness and envy. I disagree that it takes resentment to fuel change. Resentment is a waste of energy. Energy better spent on doing the work and CREATING the change. If poor people really wanted to BE wealthy they would be far better off learning from those that are wealthy rather than sitting around moaning, bitching and whining about being poor and how evil the wealthy are. But no, the moaning, bitching and whining are far easier than actually getting off their ass and doing the work. You see, I like PA, I really do. That's why it is so frustrating to watch him spin. He is making himself poorer and another wealthy person more wealthy. He's simply feeding the beast he despises and digging his own financial grave even deeper.

Musicmystery -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castles (6/8/2010 8:48:55 AM)
quote: Yet hope is worthless if is only backed up with bitterness and envy. I disagree that it takes resentment to fuel change. Resentment is a waste of energy. Energy better spent on doing the work and CREATING the change. If poor people really wanted to BE wealthy they would be far better off learning from those that are wealthy rather than sitting around moaning, bitching and whining about being poor and how evil the wealthy are. But no, the moaning, bitching and whining are far easier than actually getting off their ass and doing the work. Amen.

pahunkboy -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 8:56:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy LAT, You are a cheerleader for Rothschilds. And you are a fool. I am simply realistic about how the world works. The Rothschilds yaught- how do you feel about funding it? You do. Nevermind that you could get paid 10k more a year. But the elite 1% wont have that. Who is the fool? You are screaming in your sleep for others to wake up. Explain to me why we just gave trillions to hedge fund managers.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 9:28:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou You are screaming in your sleep for others to wake up. Explain to me why we just gave trillions to hedge fund managers. It's irrelevant, you did not give a dime to anyone. That's the point, you're screaming for others to do something, with what they have and their lives, while, as far as I can see you've done nothing but post on forums, and listen to alex jones. Let's assume most of what you believe is absolutely true.... How can you fight something when you have nothing but your body, and a small monthly check? Would it not be better to work in the system, for 70 percent of your labors worth, and use that value to fight for what you believe, as opposed to sitting and yelling at others to sacrifice what they have for a cause or purpose they may or may not believe in at all. Also, do you honestly believe, posting 20465 times to collarchat is the best method to promote your beliefs. Obviously not. That's why you are asleep, you don't see that your rage robs you of any power to effect anything, and you point at others for doing nothing while in reality it is you that is swimming in circles. Now, let's say you are disabled or can't work in a traditional job. You obviously can type, and read, there are many many many more effective ways to promote your views than posting on collarchat.com. Like off the top of my head, why not buy a website on godaddy for 10.00 a month, click the install button to install joomla, and organize all this "evidence" in a way that doesn't come off as incoherent rambling. Hell, if you did that instead of making 20K posts on here you'd probably have an index of information that was interesting, and the only cost to you would be 10 bucks and your time, and you could offset that eventually with ads if you wanted to. That's my point, you are doing nothing effective by lashing out at people up here, when there are infinitely more productive methods of promoting a message. The only difference is posting up here, and listening to Alex Jones or whoever, requires no real effort, yet provides you with a sense of righteousness, but accomplishes nothing at all. Now, I agree with you sometimes, and sometimes not, I'm not even talking about that, I'm talking about you, and what you believe, and what are you doing about it, and the completely ineffective way you are going about it. So, you are asleep, if you can not see the futility of what you are doing, it's as productive as watching the Beverly Hillbillies on loop. Or continue onward thrashing about like a dying fish on your shore of truth, I suppose.

pahunkboy -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castle (6/8/2010 9:42:58 AM)
In reply: The central bank problem can only be fixed if people properly ID the trouble. The economic collapse is continuing regardless of what or how I post. My actions are to stack precious metals. That is what I do. Bob Chapman is my consultant. I,and a few guys share a paid subscription to his newsletter. I listen to his shows- and while Alex is interesting- Chapman is read at embassies thru out the world. If anyone here stacks or does not- it is not my problem. I do tho wish I could get my brother to. So-- my time and efforts--- best use? Of course I am always looking to improve. This week I been out in the yard doing yard work... but now must stop. If I am physical- my pain levels go ballistic. So- it is better if I pace myself. Frankly a collapse and new depression will be an exciting time to be alive. All politics are local. Rather then a website- a local newsletter might be good. ANyhow- I am here on pleasure. If it is work for me- then I need to be paid- because I do not work for free. Who knows- maybe one day- I will figure out my printer and do a local newsletter. The town newspaper - wont print what I have to say- so I will have to print it myself.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Escape From America: The Strange & Scary Billionaires Behind The Libertarian-Inspired Sea Castles (6/8/2010 11:47:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I really do find it so amusing that people that are not wealthy, love so much to despise those that are wealthy. The reality is that, many of those wealthy people, if you removed their wealth, they would be able to regain it. Most of the people that are not wealthy, if you gave them wealth, they would lose it. There really are better, more productive and positive things to do with time and energy than channeling negative shit towards people that have more materially than we do. Some people who gain instant wealth would lose it if they didn't take the time to find out how to keep it. Others would have the intelligence to live off of and pay taxes on the interest. As for hating those who gained their wealth by taking advantage of others, how it affects a person's life depends on how much time they spend thinking about it. Spending too much time obsessing over something is never a good idea. But if no resentment existed, there would never be any hope of change. Life has no meaning without hope. Yet hope is worthless if is only backed up with bitterness and envy. I disagree that it takes resentment to fuel change. Resentment is a waste of energy. Energy better spent on doing the work and CREATING the change. If poor people really wanted to BE wealthy they would be far better off learning from those that are wealthy rather than sitting around moaning, bitching and whining about being poor and how evil the wealthy are. But no, the moaning, bitching and whining are far easier than actually getting off their ass and doing the work. You see, I like PA, I really do. That's why it is so frustrating to watch him spin. He is making himself poorer and another wealthy person more wealthy. He's simply feeding the beast he despises and digging his own financial grave even deeper. If being wealthy or being poor in the US was a matter of choice, there would be a lot more wealthy people. Nobody wants to work for minimum wage. For many years, a college degree was the perfect solution. Get educated and start a good paying career after graduation. Now many US college graduates are working minimum wage jobs and having their meager wages garnished because they are in default on their student loans. They have no experience, there are too few jobs, and too much competition. Many US college graduates end up in a worse situation than they were in before they went to college (I keep saying US citizens because for many in other countries, student loans are a non issue). There are business owners who have gotten rich by paying their workers minimum wage and refusing benefits, hiring illegal immigrants, or having products manufactured oversees where they can pay workers less than minimum wage and don't have to pay health insurance premiums. There are the lucky few who win the lottery or have made millions on the stock market. There are ways to get rich, but very few ways that don't involve risk or exploiting others. It's far easier to keep wealth than it is to gain it. Not liking those who make money by taking advantage of others is good because that dislike can fuel ambition to take action and change things. It would be wonderful if the working poor could afford to take time off their minimum wage jobs to rally in Washington to fight for stiffer penalties for companies who hire illegal immigrants, secure our borders, stop H1 Visas until there are enough living wage jobs for US citizens, and fight for all US tax payer money to be spent in US, not on wars in other countries. Emails are much easier to ignore than live protests. Unfortunately, it takes more money than poor people have to travel there. Sadly, many people who do have the money are indifferent to situations that don't directly affect them and do nothing. Indifference does not fuel ambition.

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