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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian

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ORIGINAL: osf

By their very nature are slaves/property entitled to respect?

Respect: A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
Source: Oxford American Dictionary

With that in mind, are we speaking about people who claim to be "slaves" in general, or one's own personal slave who he / she has chosen and has stood the test of time?

If the latter, I can say this: there is no hard and fast "rule" in my mind saying one can't have respect for a slave's abilities or talents. Somehow, I feel "abilities or talents" isn't the crux of this question, though. When people say "respect", I sense they often really mean appreciation and honor, which are more connotative (and important) ideas to the psyche and ego. In the more emotive sense, it could be appreciation for her constancy, mettle and companionship proven over time, and if you are indeed warm-blooded, this will happen.

Is a slave entitled to respect? In my opinion and experience, entering into this arrangement with that preconception is a recipe for confusion, particularly if one hasn't considered what degree or form of "respect" is in question. Part of the entire point in keeping a slave is not having to observe the folkways of society that dictate mutual respect and honor, or the romantic and reciprocal fluff, kudos, loyalty, explanation or appreciation traditionally expected between lovers. Even so, Masters or Mistresses who succeed cannot be impossibly rigid or detached, neglectful, untrusting or so self-centered that they are blind to the fact that what serves them is still a human being. I would say simply that a slave inevitably needs good leadership.

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ORIGINAL: osf
Most relationships evolve d/s, o/p relationships are managed

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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian

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ORIGINAL: osf
Most relationships evolve d/s, o/p relationships are managed

Could you elaborate?

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ORIGINAL: osf
the one in charge is in charge of the relationships direction and development.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: osf

By their very nature are slaves/property entitled to respect?

In my world, NO ONE is 'entitled' to respect. People earn my respect by being honourable human beings. It has nothing at all to do with dominance or submission.

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ORIGINAL: WestBaySlave

I don't believe anyone is entitled to respect beyond the courtesy and civility I try to extend to those around me. That being said, I'd only involve myself in a M/s relationship where high levels of mutual respect are involved.

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ORIGINAL: marie2

And this is the one that I relate to when dealing with people...whether they be friends, acquaintences or the stranger who rings up my groceries or clears my dishes from a table in a restaurant. I don't have to know someone personally or admire them for something in order to show them "respect". I can never quite wrap my mind around the idea that you have to know someone or admire someone, or that someone has to prove something in order to be shown respect, or to behave in a respectful or "considerate" manner towards them.

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Does a "slave" deserve respect? Hard to answer when it's framed that way, because to me, someone who indentifies as a slave, is just another human being like anyone else, who is engaged in a particular relationship dynamic with another person. And why shouldn't they be offered respect (at least in the "consideration" context of the word). I don't think any dominant or master will foster a long-term, mutually-beneficial and healthy relationship without showing their slave consideration. Even if you want to go with context "to hold in high regard or to admire", would most people even want to "own" someone for whom they felt no respect? I don't know. Maybe some would.

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

So OSF (once more) throws out a trollish question just to watch everyone jump on him. (dude there are other, better ways of getting your humiliation kink served) and when someone engages him in a conversation regarding said question on a less than shallow level, he cannot participate with more than a few cryptic comments.

Quite interesting...

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ORIGINAL: osf
My views seem to be contraversial with most here.

If by their nature some slaves want humiliation and degradation I'm perfectly willing to accomadate them and not show them any respect and the slaves I am most attracted to are like this, ones in my opinion that have a more consistant philosophy of what slavery is.

Now that I have spoken my opinion watch the fire works begin.

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ORIGINAL: osf

I know what I think, I'm wondering what others think, that is why I asked the question.

My views seem to be contraversial with most here.

If by their nature some slaves want humiliation and degradation I'm perfectly willing to accomadate them and not show them any respect and the slaves I am most attracted to are like this, ones in my opinion that have a more consistant philosophy of what slavery is.

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: osf

I know what I think, I'm wondering what others think, that is why I asked the question.

My views seem to be contraversial with most here.

If by their nature some slaves want humiliation and degradation I'm perfectly willing to accomadate them and not show them any respect and the slaves I am most attracted to are like this, ones in my opinion that have a more consistant philosophy of what slavery is.

Just because I get off on being treated like shit doesn't mean I want you to view me as such. If you sincerely had zero regard for me your behavior would be markedly different from the kinks you're discussing. Mutual consent would never be a factor.

~porcelaine

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Most relationships evolve d/s, o/p relationships are managed

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ORIGINAL: osf

Nowhere in what I said did I say I had no regard or didn't care, I just said I would accomadate them.

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I am most attracted to are like this, ones in my opinion that have a more consistant philosophy of what slavery is.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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Most relationships evolve d/s, o/p relationships are managed

Ahem, coughs, calls bullshit.

D/S relationships evolve just like normal ones do. As people get to know each other, interact, grow, shift and change, the dynamics of the relationship change as well.
A TPE is a great example. A woman doesn't wander in yielding everything on the first interaction. That takes time, trust, things that develop slowly, fueling her submission and leading her and he to want to take it to deeper levels.

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: osf

Nowhere in what I said did I say I had no regard or didn't care, I just said I would accomadate them.

So where's the controversy in that? And I ask that question in all sincerity since the things you mentioned are activities I enjoy a great deal. It's a form of sadism that I find appealing.

And then there's this:

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I am most attracted to are like this, ones in my opinion that have a more consistant philosophy of what slavery is.

Care to expound? If I'm reading this correctly her desire for debasement suggests she's more slavish according to your definition? I view that along the lines of fetish not slavery. The latter is a mindset. What makes me wet is something altogether different.

~porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: osf

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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Most relationships evolve d/s, o/p relationships are managed

Ahem, coughs, calls bullshit.

D/S relationships evolve just like normal ones do. As people get to know each other, interact, grow, shift and change, the dynamics of the relationship change as well.
A TPE is a great example. A woman doesn't wander in yielding everything on the first interaction. That takes time, trust, things that develop slowly, fueling her submission and leading her and he to want to take it to deeper levels.

great fluffy sentiment but who is in charge?