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RE: It May Be Much Much Worse..... - 6/8/2010 8:36:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

This is a leak is 5000 feet below the ocean floor,..... which is 2 miles under the ocean`s surface.

You were a sailor Pop,so tell us.

How do you fix a leak that is 5000 feet below the ocean bottom, that is 2 miles below the ocean`s surface?

We need to hear what solutions Obama`s critics have to offer.

PandaMan, Professor Kaku may be right.
Not so far fetched or impossible to believe, matey?
Rule # 1- Never fully trust whatever the "government/the man" tells you.

Physics professor: Oil leak could last for years | Raw Story

We have no REAL idea what the hell is going on with this oil spill, except it "appears" to
be much worse than we have been told.

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RE: It May Be Much Much Worse..... - 6/8/2010 9:16:08 PM

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An unnamed BP official said they discovered damage to the casing below the ocean bottom and substructures of the well.

This subsurface failure was discovered was discovered during the "top kill" procedure where mud was pumped down the well with thousand horse power pumps at hundreds of gallons per minute.

The mud was flowing into the rock formations around the casing from under the surface.

This means it`s possible that nothing can be done until the relief wells are drilled.

At best,they can divert some,....of the crude but that`s it.

No surprise there. This isn't news at all, man. It's definite that nothing can be done to stop the leak until the relief wells are finished. That's been a foregone conclusion since Top Kill failed. That was the last chance to actually stop the leak before the relief wells were drilled.

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This is a leak is 5000 feet below the ocean floor,..... which is 2 miles under the ocean`s surface.

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How do you fix a leak that is 5000 feet below the ocean bottom, that is 2 miles below the ocean`s surface?

The leak is not 5000 feet below the ocean bottom, it's at the ocean bottom - 5000 feet below the surface. Now, the blown seal that was leaking mud and oil into the subsurface strata during Top Kill is about 1,000 feet below that, but the relief wells will intersect the borehole many thousands of feet deeper than that. They'll stop the leak 2 and a half miles below the blown pipe. It'll take a while - months, to be sure - but once they stop it, it'll be well and truly stopped, forever and ever amen. That well will never pump another drop of oil again.

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RE: It May Be Much Much Worse..... - 6/8/2010 9:21:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

This is a leak is 5000 feet below the ocean floor,..... which is 2 miles under the ocean`s surface.

You were a sailor Pop,so tell us.

How do you fix a leak that is 5000 feet below the ocean bottom, that is 2 miles below the ocean`s surface?

We need to hear what solutions Obama`s critics have to offer.

PandaMan, Professor Kaku may be right.
Not so far fetched or impossible to believe, matey?
Rule # 1- Never fully trust whatever the "government/the man" tells you.

Physics professor: Oil leak could last for years | Raw Story

We have no REAL idea what the hell is going on with this oil spill, except it "appears" to
be much worse than we have been told.

That's true, but Kaku is still full of kaka. On his most basic and most inflammatory assertion, he doesn't know what he's talking about. His contention that the leak may continue for years is simply uninformed and just plain wrong. Nobody in the field has any doubt the relief wells will work. It's just a question of how long they'll take, but there's no reason whatsoever to believe it will take "years," as he suggests.

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RE: It May Be Much Much Worse..... - 6/11/2010 10:44:21 PM

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Maybe you can tell us how a 747 can fly on wind power.

Were you unaware that they can fly on bio-diesel?

Modern jet engines actually do not burn diesel. They burn what is essentially kerosene. Does that mean that use of a diesel fuel is not possible? Not at all. However, bio-fuels are not without their environmental issues, and the cost of conversion of existing aircraft to burn an alternative fuel is probably prohibitive. It would be more likely that new aircraft would be designed to use a different fuel and those aircraft would slowly replace the existing ones.

You are right about environmental issues of bio-diesel. But retrofitting existing aircraft actually isn't a big deal. That is because of the routine maintenance to aircraft. I believe they generally get new engines about once a year. They are stripped down and taken completely apart every few years (I believe every four years, but I could be mistaken). Basically, every four years you get a completely brand new refurbished aircraft (since they do reuse the fuselage and wings, the wear from pressurizing/depressurizing the cabin still wears out an aircraft over time).

For the most part, converting to biofuel just affects the engine and potentially the fuel system. You may also need to adjust some settings in the flight control computer and/or manuals (due to potentially different weight, fuel consumption and thrust). Not a huge deal overall. You just need to get Rolls Royce or P&W to make biofuel jet engines.

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RE: It May Be Much Much Worse..... - 6/12/2010 9:35:41 AM

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I guess that Obama should have gotten the federal government involved a lot sooner.

What happened to those conservative principles of limiting government interference?

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RE: It May Be Much Much Worse..... - 6/12/2010 9:53:16 AM

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The point is the Left's blatant hypocrisy.

Tell me who is being hypocritical.

Teabagger queen Michele Bachmann from May of last year:

.... Bachmann railed against the government’s interference in private corporate business, and warned that is only the tip of the iceberg. "The Obama administration has moved right into the American boardroom."

(Rep. Michele Bachmann: Obama the 'Greatest Divider)

Teabagger queen Michele Bachmann from June of this year:

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) -- who often suggests that the government should keep its hands off, well, just about everything -- took to the House floor last week to criticize the Obama Administration for being too hands off on the Gulf Coast Oil Spill.

"We haven't seen competence in the government's hands-off policy with this disaster," Bachmann said, criticizing the government for being "nowhere to be found."

(Bachmann Criticizes Obama Admin For Being Too 'Hands Off')

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