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SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 5:53:11 PM)

A quite costly joke, only rich people can make it into politics in the US.

You need a squillion dollars just to run for local Postmaster.




TheHeretic -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 6:01:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Oh boy, I heard an interview with this guy on the radio and he's a fucking Dope!
He can't string two sentences together. This may be a Republican "plant" although I don't know why they'd need to do such a thing in this state.



Maybe he is a double agent, planted by the Dems, so they could frame the Republicans? We're dealing with Chicago rules, here. Anything can happen.





Sanity -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 6:04:59 PM)


Even if what you write were true there would undoubtedly be a positive side to having successful people running government.


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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

A quite costly joke, only rich people can make it into politics in the US.

You need a squillion dollars just to run for local Postmaster.




Elisabella -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 6:07:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Even if what you write were true there would undoubtedly be a positive side to having successful people running government.



It might be better than relying on donations from special interest groups.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 6:11:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Even if what you write were true there would undoubtedly be a positive side to having successful people running government.


Not if they are inbreds that have inherited their wealth. Too few American families seem to dominate American politics, proves something is wrong.

They don't get there through their ability it's pure nepotism through family ties.




Elisabella -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 6:18:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
Not if they are inbreds that have inherited their wealth. Too few American families seem to dominate American politics, proves something is wrong.

They don't get there through their ability it's pure nepotism through family ties.



Yeah like Obama (son of an immigrant) or Clinton (born in backwater Arkansas) or Reagan (ex actor born in an apartment building) or Nixon (couldn't even afford Harvard on scholarship)...

I totally see your point. Really...




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 6:23:29 PM)

These were exceptions to the rule.

The rule is the Clintons (they'll be more instalments of this family in the future), the Bushes, the Kenedys, the Tafts, the Hahns to name a few.




Elisabella -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 6:28:22 PM)

The Clintons - Bill was born in rural Arkansas and Hillary went to school with my dad (seriously he was I believe 2 or 3 grades behind her)

Sure there are Kennedys and Bushes but the number of "self-made men" who became President, especially in recent history, shows that you don't need a family with political ties to get involved in politics.




Owner59 -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 7:12:52 PM)


A related story......


"A Democratic primary challenger in South Carolina who has been accused of being a "plant" hired for his Congressional campaign a GOP consultant who as recently as late last year was the campaign manager for Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC), according to campaign finance reports.

Businessman Gregory Brown says he challenged Rep. James Clyburn, the highest-ranking African American in Congress, in the Democratic primary on Tuesday because he's worried about the state's poverty rates and failing schools. Clyburn (D-SC) charged this week that Brown is such a political novice that he must be a "plant."

Brown told TPM in an interview he was a legitimate candidate being targeted because he challenged a powerful incumbent. But his Federal Election Commission filings show his largest campaign payment was to a firm run by a GOP political consultant who is best known as Wilson's former campaign manager and who currently works for other South Carolina Republicans.

Brown's campaign paid Stonewall Strategies nearly $24,000 for "marketing" and "marketing materials," according to his 2010 campaign finance reports. The firm is run by former Wilson aide Preston Grisham."

TPM took a look at Brown, who lost with 10 percent of the vote on Tuesday, after Clyburn asserted his candidacy might not be legitimate. The dust-up in South Carolina comes as a Democratic Senate candidate, Alvin Greene, won the party's nomination without ever having run a campaign. Clyburn suggested Greene could be part of a nefarious plot that would also include Brown, and another Democrat, Ben Frasier, who won the primary in the 1st Congressional district.

Grisham, who graduated from University of South Carolina in 2005, appears to have spent most of his career working for Wilson.

He was employed by Wilson's congressional office in some capacity from 2003 to late 2009 (with a year and a half gap in 2005-06). According to congressional pay records, he started as an intern, transitioned to a part-time employee gig, then finally became a special assistant from 2007 through the end of October 2009. At the same time, Grisham was campaign manager for Wilson's congressional campaign from 2002 through 2009, according to Grisham's LinkedIn profile. He was paid in that role as recently as November 30, 2009. (A Wilson campaign spokesman said Grisham is no longer with the campaign.)

Wilson's congressional spokeswoman did not immediately respond to a message. Attempts to reach Grisham via phone and email were not immediately successful.

Brown told TPM that Grisham's Stonewall Strategies helped "set up the technical piece of our campaign" and did initial polling. Brown said his friends had recommended Grisham as someone with experience running political campaigns and who was "capable." At first Brown told me that he wasn't aware of the connection with Wilson, made famous in spring 2009 for shouting "You Lie" during President Obama's address to Congress. Then Brown said "I was aware" that he had consulted with Wilson, but said he had "no knowledge" that Grisham held such a prominent role with the Wilson campaign.

"We searched high and low, there were very few people willing to get involved ... we searched almost two months before we came up with Stonewall Strategies," Brown said. He said people told him "that for me to run would be political assassination because he's been in office so long ... that it would not be the politically astute thing to do."

At the same time that Grisham was working for the Democratic campaign of Brown, he was doing work for at least two Republican campaigns in the state. Grisham's Stonewall Strategies got $5,000 in May from the campaign of Republican Eleanor Kitzman, a candidate for lieutenant governor. And he got reimbursed for "reception supplies" by the GOP Attorney General campaign of Alan Wilson -- the son of Rep. Joe Wilson.

On his Twitter feed, Grisham has promoted conservative ideas like a "no new tax" pledge for the state, and this item from last December: "Wake up this morning to see we are getting even closer to have Socialist rule thrust upon the American people."

Clyburn aides said they'd heard rumors Grisham was working for Brown, but weren't able to prove it since there were no FEC filings. Brown insists that he had filed the reports in late April, but receipts provided to TPM and found on the FEC website suggest he filed the reports last night.


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/clyburns_dem_challenger_denies_hes_a_plant_--_but.php?ref=fpa

That fish is get`n smellier......[:(]







TheHeretic -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 7:47:33 PM)

Maybe he thinks a GOP guy will do a better job of getting him elected? If a Democrat wanted to write me a fat enough check, I might put in a couple months of 19 hour days to get him into office. (Of course, he would have to run in opposition to the Obama agenda. That's going to be the only way to win a competetive district this cycle.)




Owner59 -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 7:50:56 PM)

opposition to the Obama agenda

Which to fix all the fuck-ups you republicans left.....

We already know you`re from the party of no.




TheHeretic -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 8:07:26 PM)

Make that the party of "oh HELL no," O59.




Owner59 -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 8:16:03 PM)

Of course you don`t want to fix what you fucked up,you`re a republican.Just pass the bill on to the American taxpayer.....

We got it.









TheHeretic -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 8:28:05 PM)

Puh-lease. Hillary was wrong to wonder about 3:00 a.m. phone calls. 3:00 in the afternoon is too much for this administration to handle.




Brain -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 8:43:31 PM)

Somebody who does not like Vic Rawl gave Greene the money.

FOXNews.com - Greene's South Carolina Primary Win Defies Odds, Leaves Democrats Perplexed

Greene's improbable victory over Democratic candidate Vic Rawl, a former state legislator who officials expected would win, has unleashed a flood of questions, including how the unemployed Army veteran managed to pay $10,400 to get on the ballot before running a "low budget" campaign with no ads, website or fundraising.

Among his proposals, Greene said he wants to create jobs through Department of Transportation projects, like widening and repairing major interstate highways in South Carolina. He also said he supports President Obama's massive health care overhaul because "the best minds are behind it."

...

The Democratic candidate said he got no help from the South Carolina Democratic Party.
"From day one, they just didn't have confidence in my campaign," he said, adding that the state party wrote him off as a serious candidate because he had no funds and was unknown.

In fact, the South Carolina Democratic Party is so dumbfounded, one leading elected official is wondering if Greene is one of theirs at all.
U.S. House Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-S.C., called Greene a "plant" and has demanded an investigation into his candidacy.


"There were some real shenanigans going on in the South Carolina primary," Clyburn told the Bill Press radio show on Thursday. "I don't know if he was a Republican plant. He was someone's plant."
The South Carolina Board of Elections told FoxNews.com that it has no plans to investigate how Greene pulled off the upset, even though the South Carolina Democratic Party now wants him off the ballot because of a pending felony charge that he allegedly showed obscene Internet photos to a 19-year-old college student.

Like Clyburn, McCoy's mother said she wonders how Greene qualified to be on the ballot.
"It's ridiculous and a mockery of the voting process," Susan McCoy said in an interview with FoxNews.com. "He was given a public defender and certainly didn't have $10,400 at his bond hearing."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/10/greenes-south-carolina-primary-defies-odds-leaves-democratic-party-perplexed/



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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Oh boy, I heard an interview with this guy on the radio and he's a fucking Dope!
He can't string two sentences together. This may be a Republican "plant" although I don't know why they'd need to do such a thing in this state.



Maybe he is a double agent, planted by the Dems, so they could frame the Republicans? We're dealing with Chicago rules, here. Anything can happen.







Owner59 -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 8:54:29 PM)

Nah nah nah...you gotta go with rich`s 1st claim.....Greene`s an underdog victim of the big bad tyrant democrats....[8|] Look at their long history of hurting the little guy,especially minorities....[8|]

There`s no way he could be a plant using GOP money to ruin an election.[8|] I mean their`s no history of republicans doing stuff like that...[8|]




truckinslave -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 9:28:56 PM)

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Interesting that you can't be a felon and run for President--but apparently you can be a felon and run for Congress.


Alcee Hastings comes to mind (unfortunately).




truckinslave -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 9:32:08 PM)

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If the Republicans managed to get this guy to run and got him on the Democratic ballot and managed to get 50,000 or 60,000 Republicans to vote for him with nobody noticing until after he'd won in a huge upset - I'd be very impressed. That's far more smoothly orchestrated than anything I've seen come out of the RNC in years and years.


You know the Dims are desperate to explain the stupidity of their voters when they float the idea of a 50,000-strong conspiracy acting in total secrecy. The whole thing's hilarious.
And the people who voted for him are stupid.




truckinslave -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/11/2010 9:37:40 PM)

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We already know you`re from the party of no


Nope. Where Obamao is concerned most of us are the party of "Hell no!!!"




Brain -> RE: Greene wins South Carolina Dem Nomination. WHO??? (6/12/2010 12:28:44 AM)

Maybe - The times are changing.


Calif. Voting Change Could Signal Big Political Shift

SAN FRANCISCO — The time for tinkering is done.

That was the message Californians sent when they voted Tuesday to radically rejigger elections in the nation’s most populous state. Under Proposition 14, a measure that easily passed, traditional party primaries will be replaced in 2011 with wide-open elections. The top two vote-getters — whatever their party, or if they have no party at all — will face off in the general election.

Supporters argue that without parties picking candidates for the general election, moderates and independents will move to the fore, and voters will pay more attention to the electoral process.

Critics of the measure say it will give a huge advantage to candidates who have the most money or the widest name recognition.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/us/politics/10prop.html?th&emc=th


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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

A quite costly joke, only rich people can make it into politics in the US.

You need a squillion dollars just to run for local Postmaster.





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