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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 8:34:30 AM   
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Timmy, timmy, timmy.

Pull your head out of your ass.

"The Dark Lord of the Naval Observatory"?

Put that crap down and read some real news, because the crap that you've been reading has got your head spun around.

The Wall Street Journal article (as I pointed out previously) doesn't mention Cheney. The LA Times article discusses Haliburton years after Cheney divested from them... and so on.

Its really just you masturbating with the imaginary visions playing in your head.


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Tommy, tommy, tommy.

Read.


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"The Gulf of Mexico oil spill could end up being the worst American man-made environmental catastrophe of this generation. With the oil still spilling and investigations into the causes yet to come, it's too early to neatly assign blame to any one person. But for now, let's hold Dick Cheney personally responsible for the whole thing.

"Here's the evidence: The Wall Street Journal reports that the oil well didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch. The reason it didn't have a thing that it seems every single offshore drilling rig should have? According to environmental lawyer Mike Papantonio, it's because Dick Cheney's energy task force decided that the $500,000 switches were too expensive, and they didn't want to make BP buy any.

"Is that not enough reason to blame the former Dark Lord of the Naval Observatory? Guess what: Halliburton is involved, too! The Los Angeles Times reports that BP contracted Dick Cheney's old company to cement the deepwater drill hole. Cementing the hole was, according to the U.S. Minerals Management Service, "the single most-important factor in 18 of 39 well blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico over a 14-year period." And Hallburton is already under investigation for faulty cementing in an Australian well last year.

"The spill will very likely destroy the fragile economies of at least five states and it could even plunge the nation back into a recession. So thanks, Dick. Nice work."

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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 8:40:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll give you this--you ARE good at thread derailment. But at least it keeps the article at the top of the page so that everyone gets a chance to read it.

While they're doing that, maybe you'll find this helpful. Then, consider again ALL the sources linked (six total) that make up the case.



"Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney.

"The Gulf of Mexico oil spill could end up being the worst American man-made environmental catastrophe of this generation. With the oil still spilling and investigations into the causes yet to come, it's too early to neatly assign blame to any one person. But for now, let's hold Dick Cheney personally responsible for the whole thing.

"Here's the evidence: The Wall Street Journal reports that the oil well didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch. The reason it didn't have a thing that it seems every single offshore drilling rig should have? According to environmental lawyer Mike Papantonio, it's because Dick Cheney's energy task force decided that the $500,000 switches were too expensive, and they didn't want to make BP buy any.

"Is that not enough reason to blame the former Dark Lord of the Naval Observatory? Guess what: Halliburton is involved, too! The Los Angeles Times reports that BP contracted Dick Cheney's old company to cement the deepwater drill hole. Cementing the hole was, according to the U.S. Minerals Management Service, "the single most-important factor in 18 of 39 well blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico over a 14-year period." And Hallburton is already under investigation for faulty cementing in an Australian well last year.

"The spill will very likely destroy the fragile economies of at least five states and it could even plunge the nation back into a recession. So thanks, Dick. Nice work."

Salon.com War Room



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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 8:47:32 AM   
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According to environmental lawyer Mike Papantonio,




I hope you don't really teach school... (You think you could possibly find a more biased source for your "facts" and "information"?)




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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 8:48:44 AM   
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It wasn't Obama, it was OSHA.


Hang on to your hat.  I can already feel the breeze from the spin that's about to come your way.

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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 8:48:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah. Ridicule replacing refutation.

Quicker than thinking, anyway.

And yes, on legal matters, people consider lawyers sources. For environmental issues, they use environmental lawyers.

The sane world is silly like that.



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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 8:53:49 AM   
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Its not worthy refutation. As I have pointed out your article is hopelessly biased to the extreme, below consideration of any serious discussion.


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Ah. Ridicule replacing refutation.

Quicker than thinking, anyway.


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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 8:55:30 AM   
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Come on. "The Dark Lord of the Naval Observatory"???

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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 8:57:45 AM   
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Dick Cheney and the oil spill

"As we know from our own comment threads, right-wingers are expert at taking a few facts from situations that appear to be superficially similar but really aren't upon reflection or closer examination and using them to attack liberals.

"And so, in the last few days, the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has become Obama's Katrina. Um...look, I'm as pro-pelican as the next guy, and obviously I don't mean to gainsay the scope of this environmental catastrophe, which will end up being staggering.

"But Katrina killed about 1,500 humans. And no, it's not George Bush's personal fault that they died, either. But I still rate Katrina a far bigger tragedy for that reason.

"And now it turns out, according to an environmental lawyer whose interview on Ed Schultz last week is getting a lot of circulation, that this leak may well be traceable in part to...Dick Cheney.

"How? It's hardly as far-fetched as it sounds. From the Wall Street Journal:

The oil well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch used in two other major oil-producing nations as last-resort protection against underwater spills.

The lack of the device, called an acoustic switch, could amplify concerns over the environmental impact of offshore drilling after the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig last week...

... regulators in two major oil-producing countries, Norway and Brazil, in effect require them. Norway has had acoustic triggers on almost every offshore rig since 1993.

The U.S. considered requiring a remote-controlled shut-off mechanism several years ago, but drilling companies questioned its cost and effectiveness, according to the agency overseeing offshore drilling. The agency, the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service, says it decided the remote device wasn't needed because rigs had other back-up plans to cut off a well.

The U.K., where BP is headquartered, doesn't require the use of acoustic triggers.

"The Journal's report doesn't come out and say this, but the environmental lawyer, Mike Papantonio, said on the Schultz show in an interview you can watch here that it was Cheney's energy task force - the secretive one that he wouldn't say much about publicly - that decided that the switches, which cost $500,000, were too much a burden on the industry. The Papantonio segment starts at around 5:00 in and lasts three minutes or so."

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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 9:00:40 AM   
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Why are no responsible media organizations reporting what your environmental lawyer claimed on the Ed Schultz show... 

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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 9:02:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		And still, nothing to discredit the facts of the case.

If they're so ridiculous, shouldn't be too difficult.

Very difficult, however, when you've got nothing.

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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 9:07:59 AM   
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Dick & Goerge, both having enormous financial intersts in the energy and oil industries, host a closed-door meeting on national energy policy with energy & oil industry bigwigs calling the shots. This is followed by years of de-regulation and lax oversight of those industries. How can you NOT put the blame for this man-mad (NOT natural) disaster anywhere else?

The only thing I fault Obama for is not ordering a review of all goverment departments (like the Minerals Management folk) on Day 1. But then again he did have a few pressing issues on his plate...

But this really IS a dead horse issue. Ain't no way anyone will ever succeed in bringing any sort of charges, either criminal or civil, against the former administration.

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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 9:09:57 AM   
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Why are no responsible media organizations reporting what your environmental lawyer claimed on the Ed Schultz show... 


Because Fox is an entertainment network, as is Rush et al?

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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 9:11:26 AM   
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Howler.

You're not even worth my time.

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Speaking of masterbation, you really should get out more, Thomas. Go get your dick sucked or something. Your frustration is palpable. I recall about a month ago you were whining because Obama wanted to correct the deregulation failures of the financial industry that led the economic meltdown. As I recall, you were upset because you didn't understand why he " all of a sudden felt the need for tighter regulation." He was craming it down our throat, remember?

You are such a partisan hack. You will never be satisfied with Obama no matter what he does. Sometimes I think you take the contrary position out of spite.



Only a bitch like you, sanity, refuses to acknowledge the truth.

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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 9:15:30 AM   
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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 9:21:30 AM   
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Its not worthy refutation. As I have pointed out your article is hopelessly biased to the extreme, below consideration of any serious discussion.


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Ah. Ridicule replacing refutation.

Quicker than thinking, anyway.



Yeah, it is biased, it doesnt point out that he was given a pass on ethics violations regarding Haliburton stock (in defiance of the law) some of which was optioned in December 2009.

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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 9:24:43 AM   
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Something else about the articles that you posted that made me laugh was the point about "Darth Cheney" having secretive meetings in the White House...

I mean, come on. Really?

After the past year, there are still leftists out there ballsy enough to try to complain about a lack of openness under Bush?

You fuckers are insane.


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And still, nothing to discredit the facts of the case.

If they're so ridiculous, shouldn't be too difficult.

Very difficult, however, when you've got nothing.


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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 9:25:04 AM   
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Its not worthy refutation. As I have pointed out your article is hopelessly biased to the extreme, below consideration of any serious discussion.




That's funny, coming from you.

Why no rim shot?

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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 9:27:24 AM   
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/cheney_energy_task_force.html

Thats just a couple, I guess it didn't make the drooling imbicile Limbaughs joke hour nor Fox dumbed down entertainment, Tom.

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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 9:28:44 AM   
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Oh yeah. Like all the White House concerts and partys, and his trips to Hawaii, and he had to collect his peace prize for... uh, whatever that was for. And then all that time he has to spend golfing...

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The only thing I fault Obama for is not ordering a review of all goverment departments (like the Minerals Management folk) on Day 1. But then again he did have a few pressing issues on his plate...


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RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. - 6/12/2010 9:29:44 AM   
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