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ORIGINAL: KalinaThorne

I do not use feminization/sissification to humilitate a submissive. For me it is another form of service - one of the ways they serve is by amusing me. It can be amusing to me to see a man barbied up - and while I use the "Barbie" term in a less than flattering way, humiliation is the wrong mindset in my book.
While many men look perfectly rediculous in feminine attire, it is an excellent way to make the conciousness shift gears and appreciate what they are to me.
I also see the mental gear shifting provided by wearing soft attire as sensitivity training and honoring the gentleness of the female spirit.
I have long worn denim when I am doing work that requires strong fabric. I wear denim because it serves the purpose of the work I like to do. I wear sensual feeling undergarments underneath at times because this is another aspect of who I am.
When I want a submissive to have that softness and explore the give of the position that enhances the take of my role, I find female clothing is very useful for some males.
The feel of soft fabrics against my skin is very sensual to me, whether that is something I am wearing or something I am stroking with my hand while a submissive is wearing it. I find that allowing a sub to experience that sensuality oftens aids them in their desire to serve or be used in some of the ways I like.
I do not force or humiliate anyone to wear something that they are not comfortable in, but I get pleasure from seeing a man's willingness to please me and oftentimes that is perceived as a feminine trait and the garments assist in the expression.
Believe me when I say that the feminization is consentual and flattering to the submissive psyche in the way I practice honor of the female within.

Just my thoughts on the subject and if a sub is in 'need' of humiliation, that is easily attainable in any number of ways without making a mockery of myself, women.or the feminine in either of us.

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance
This works well with the macho-sub.    
Staci
 

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ORIGINAL: Proprietrix

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance
This works well with the macho-sub.    
Staci
 

There have been quite a few prior postings on the issue of strong and/or masculine subs, v. weak and/or sissie subs.  I won't summarize the whole string, but in general most of the dommes who responded indicated a preference for "more manly" submissives.

From a sub's point of view, I usually look for the domme to lead the nature of our D/s interaction.  If she enjoys an activity, and wants to do it, that's what we do (unless it violates a hard limit).  I'm interested by the fact that this discussion has turned somewhat on the nature of the sub.  In other words, several dommes have indicated that, if the sub enjoys being feminized, the domme isn't interested, but if feminization would humilate a "macho" sub, they may use that as a tool.  I guess you have to know your subject!

Personally, I've always thought of the feminization thing as kind of silly, rather than erotic or humiliating.  But people have all kinds of interests and turn-ons, and who's to judge so long as no animals get injured in the process.

Regards,
ATP


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Pleasing you pleases me.

(in reply to Proprietrix)

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

I love the topic of humiliation.  :)
 
One thing I want to point out is that femming a sub because he craves it-is not humiliation. 
 
On the other hand, if I want to PUNISH a submissive, (and I love masculine subs), one way to do so is by putting him in a bra and panties.  The goal is not to please him, or give him what he wants, but to humiliate him as a punishment.  This works well with the macho-sub.   
 
 
Staci
 

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance
...I was referring to those who take pride in their physique and love being (and looking like) submissive male.

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"To learn the art of submission a slave must first give up the desires that drew him to submission in the first place." Mistress Jasmyn Jan 2005.

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

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I personally prefer to see a strong man at my feet, not one dressed as a female.  So I do not use feminization often...

 
Hi, nothing personal in response to WR, but I read this a lot ... the equating of 'masculinity' with 'strength' and the loss of  the masculine him, when wearing a dress... for me personally, him in a dress, knowing its all male under that dress, him made to wear it on my terms, therein lies his strength, his willingness to be in that state for me, is what I find hot... his vunerability is honey yum yum
 

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As something of a Female Supremist, I've always wondered about the attraction to "humiliating or degrading a man" by feminizing him.

I don't mean this as a put down to anybody's individual kink.  But I've often seen feminization described as making a man into something "less" than a man.

To my own particular (and admittedly peculiar) way of thinking, one does not make a man into something less than a man by making him into an imitation of something greater than a man, i.e. a Woman.  As I've often put it, feminizing somebody like me is not degrading to me.  It is, however, insulting to Femininity.

It seems to me that you want to degrade a man, make him a dog, make him a horse, make him a piece of furniture.  But don't make him into a mockery of a Woman.

I'm curious about how others feel about this, particularly Dominant Women.

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I would be interested to know from the readers here, how many ( or what percentage ) have seeked you out and have stated an interest in humilation in play? Of those how many have suggested or actually did use femming as a form of humilation?

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

cloudboy

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"Sissification" and "Forced feminization," though, rely on DOM to devise the route of emasculation into sissy space

 
Emasculation.

Emasculate v. To castrate; deprive of masculine vigor. emasculation, emasculator n.

Masculine adj. Of or pertaining to the male sex; male; the masculine gender. masculinity n.
 
Deprive v. To take something away from; to keep from using, aquiring, or enjoying.  deprivable adv.

I don't see forced femme and sissification as making a mockery of women or femininity... what is 'feminine' but something deprived of having a 'masculine'?   Women don't have the equivalent of 'emasculation', the male exists without the feminine, feminine is something that is not male/masculine.  Masculine is strong, the opposite feminine is weak, the masculine is alpha, the opposite feminine is beta.   If they're (f/f and sissification) making a mockery of anything, it is how fragile the notion of 'masculinity' is. 

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

And in response to TEEgo- A sub male looks male, honey. (Mine do, anyway) ...
 
Staci

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

I love the topic of humiliation.  :)
 
One thing I want to point out is that femming a sub because he craves it-is not humiliation. 
 
On the other hand, if I want to PUNISH a submissive, (and I love masculine subs), one way to do so is by putting him in a bra and panties.  The goal is not to please him, or give him what he wants, but to humiliate him as a punishment.  This works well with the macho-sub.   

Staci

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ORIGINAL: chambermaid
I agree that this is slightly off point - but the use of a female cleaning maid's uniform in this instance had a very powerful effect on me in terms of humiliation and loss of self respect. It enhanced the woman's control over 

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

I love the topic of humiliation.  :)
 
One thing I want to point out is that femming a sub because he craves it-is not humiliation. 
 
On the other hand, if I want to PUNISH a submissive, (and I love masculine subs), one way to do so is by putting him in a bra and panties.  The goal is not to please him, or give him what he wants, but to humiliate him as a punishment.  This works well with the macho-sub.   

Staci

Now i might be considered a macho sub by some and in person to person or even a group feminizing me would not be humiliating to me.  of course to march me around in public that way, now that would be humiliating to me.  ""once""

Then what?  How do you humiliate me the second time? 3rd?