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flcouple2009 -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 3:36:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Imagine our shocked bewilderment when you tried to blame the entire thing on Dick Cheney.


Imagine that is doesn't shock any of us when your bewildered.




TheOldinoutinout -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 3:52:48 PM)

I saw Kevin Cosner developing a device that separates oil and sea water.





Sanity -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 3:56:14 PM)


Always fun to see all the trolls outraged, all at once. [:D]




cloudboy -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 4:01:32 PM)


It conundrum to ask conservatives how they would regulate businesses and enforce environmental regulations. They are inherently afraid to go there.




Sanity -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 4:20:50 PM)


Thats just strawman BS.

Every Conservative will have his or her own answer but the consensus will probably be something along the line of, we need reasonable regulations which carefully balance our need for growth and a stable economy with environmental concerns.

I'm going to turn this around on you and ask how many Liberals are ready to send their families off to  a new stone age so that the planet will be utterly pristine when it is eventually swallowed up by the sun?

Most everybody feels bad for the problem we see today in the Gulf, but not everyone is ready to enforce some crazed far left agenda in order to try to please your mythical earth gods.


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


It conundrum to ask conservatives how they would regulate businesses and enforce environmental regulations. They are inherently afraid to go there.




flcouple2009 -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 4:33:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Thats just strawman BS.

Every Conservative will have his or her own answer but the consensus will probably be something along the line of, we need reasonable regulations which carefully balance our need for growth and a stable economy with environmental concerns.

I'm going to turn this around on you and ask how many Liberals are ready to send their families off to  a new stone age so that the planet will be utterly pristine when it is eventually swallowed up by the sun?

Most everybody feels bad for the problem we see today in the Gulf, but not everyone is ready to enforce some crazed far left agenda in order to try to please your mythical earth gods.


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


It conundrum to ask conservatives how they would regulate businesses and enforce environmental regulations. They are inherently afraid to go there.



Would these been the same ones who shout Drill baby Drill and deregulation is the way?




tazzygirl -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 7:14:01 PM)

Its good to see Rush has no problem sinking to Beck's level... even lower since Beck actually had the common sense to appologize in regards to belittling Obama's children.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I agree with Rush's take on Obama's handling of the crisis:

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[image]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/spc.gif[/image] Man-Child President Insists He's Been on the Case Since Day One


[image]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.parcoltop22.33976.ImageFile.jpg[/image]


http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html







Sanity -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 7:24:42 PM)


Obama and his withering fan club have no problem sinking to whatever level. 




vincentML -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 7:41:22 PM)

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Every Conservative will have his or her own answer but the consensus will probably be something along the line of, we need reasonable regulations which carefully balance our need for growth and a stable economy with environmental concerns.


BP refineries had 760 "egregious willful violations" over the past three years. All other refineries had ONE. So, we need reasonable regulations. Are we there yet? Or is BP a wiifully criminal corporation who just doesn't give a damn? Just asking....

For info read here.




InvisibleBlack -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 7:59:59 PM)

-FR-

Disclaimer: I've disliked BP for many years and have refused to purchase their gasoline for better than a decade.

It's obvious in retrospect that BP's safety record isn't anywhere near that of its competitors. Obviously insufficient diligence was done in making sure they were playing by the rules when they were starting up their operations in the gulf. However, in all honesty, I can't claim that I personally had any objections to deepwater drilling nor that I was against opening up the offshore fields. My knowledge of deepwater drilling was (like most I suspect) minimal, but it's now obvious that current technology just isn't up to snuff when it comes to working in the deepwater areas.

Neither party has any high ground in this area, though, since the Democratic Congress and the President were all for deepwater drilling just a week before the blowout and the Republicans have been for it all along.

The sad fact is - there's nothing the President can do and nothing the Congress can do and nothing anyone in the government can do about plugging the well except get out of the way. BP and Transocean are amongst the leaders in deepwater drilling operations and pretty much every scientific expert available is already involved in working towards a solution. A bunch of lawyers and politicans have nothing to add to the situation right now. About the only thing they have to offer is saying to BP "You guys devote all of your time to plugging the well, we'll handle the clean up".

Being angry at President Obama is like being mad at Richard Nixon for not doing anything while Apollo 13 was losing oxygen on the dark side of the moon. The President has no value to add to the situation at all. Everyone who can help is already working on the problem. The best you can possibly do to assist is leave them alone. Unfortunately, as in many things, some people cannot stay out of the way.

I would say the biggest mistake Obama has made in this is political. He's the one who said it was his problem now. He's the one who started acting like he could take charge and solve things. He's the one who's on national television every day making pronouncements and promises. When the oil kept flowing, week after week after week, it became obvious that for all his rhetoric, in this circumcstance he's not in control and can't significantly change things. Of course the Republicans and the Tea Partiers and everyone else who doesn't like him are taking advantage of this. He just about set himself up for it.

Some problems take time to solve. Some issues cannot be fixed in time for the evening news. Some situations require real work and real thought. Americans are too used to the TV show "fixed in an hour" mentality. When you're talking about solving a well blowout more than a mile undersea, there are a very small select group of people who have any value to add to the circumstance at all. Everyone else is a distraction. Give the few who can contibue every resource they ask for and let them work on the problem.




Musicmystery -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 8:15:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Imagine our shocked bewilderment when you tried to blame the entire thing on Dick Cheney.

The entire thing?

You talking about the Salon.com article with the supporting links that you've been unable to address except by changing the subject? That thing? The blame with evidence for it?

True, probably far past an "accept-it-all-as-gospel" Rush listener.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"The Gulf of Mexico oil spill could end up being the worst American man-made environmental catastrophe of this generation. With the oil still spilling and investigations into the causes yet to come, it's too early to neatly assign blame to any one person. But for now, let's hold Dick Cheney personally responsible for the whole thing.

"Here's the evidence: The Wall Street Journal reports that the oil well didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch. The reason it didn't have a thing that it seems every single offshore drilling rig should have? According to environmental lawyer Mike Papantonio, it's because Dick Cheney's energy task force decided that the $500,000 switches were too expensive, and they didn't want to make BP buy any.

"Is that not enough reason to blame the former Dark Lord of the Naval Observatory? Guess what: Halliburton is involved, too! The Los Angeles Times reports that BP contracted Dick Cheney's old company to cement the deepwater drill hole. Cementing the hole was, according to the U.S. Minerals Management Service, "the single most-important factor in 18 of 39 well blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico over a 14-year period." And Hallburton is already under investigation for faulty cementing in an Australian well last year.

"The spill will very likely destroy the fragile economies of at least five states and it could even plunge the nation back into a recession. So thanks, Dick. Nice work."

Salon.com War Room







Musicmystery -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 8:18:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack
It's obvious in retrospect that BP's safety record isn't anywhere near that of its competitors. Obviously insufficient diligence was done in making sure they were playing by the rules when they were starting up their operations in the gulf.

The sad fact is - there's nothing the President can do and nothing the Congress can do and nothing anyone in the government can do about plugging the well except get out of the way. BP and Transocean are amongst the leaders in deepwater drilling operations and pretty much every scientific expert available is already involved in working towards a solution. A bunch of lawyers and politicans have nothing to add to the situation right now. About the only thing they have to offer is saying to BP "You guys devote all of your time to plugging the well, we'll handle the clean up".

Being angry at President Obama is like being mad at Richard Nixon for not doing anything while Apollo 13 was losing oxygen on the dark side of the moon. The President has no value to add to the situation at all. Everyone who can help is already working on the problem. The best you can possibly do to assist is leave them alone. Unfortunately, as in many things, some people cannot stay out of the way.

Some problems take time to solve. Some issues cannot be fixed in time for the evening news. Some situations require real work and real thought. Americans are too used to the TV show "fixed in an hour" mentality. When you're talking about solving a well blowout more than a mile undersea, there are a very small select group of people who have any value to add to the circumstance at all. Everyone else is a distraction. Give the few who can contibue every resource they ask for and let them work on the problem.

Amen. Well said.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 8:35:54 PM)

I think what a lot of people are losing sight of is that there are two separate issues here - the leak itself, and the issue of containing the oil and mitigating the damage it does to the coastal areas. There's nothing Obama or anyone else in the federal government can do - or could have done - to actually stop the leak, but I think it's fair to question whether the federal response was adequate in terms of mitigation and containment. I'm withholding judgment until all the facts are in and we've had time to look back and analyze exactly how swift and how effective the actual response was, but at this stage it's my strong opinion that the government could have acted much more quickly and much more proactively than they did. And if that turns out to be the case, that's 100% on Obama. I think this discussion will be going on for quite a few months, and I'll be following it closely as it develops. 




tazzygirl -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 8:55:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Obama and his withering fan club have no problem sinking to whatever level. 


I dont recall Obama ever going after a child. Hmmm.




Sanity -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 9:13:54 PM)



Like the Bush twins, or Sarah Palins kids? [8|]

Nobody is going after Obamas kids anyway, people are making fun of Obama for the way he tried to use them in his press conference.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Obama and his withering fan club have no problem sinking to whatever level. 


I dont recall Obama ever going after a child. Hmmm.




tazzygirl -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 9:18:25 PM)

Obama never said word one about either. In fact, i do recall him stating e,phatically that children should be left OUT.

And funny how Beck appologized for it.

“May 28, 2010 – 14:25 ET

In discussing how President Obama uses children to shield himself from criticism, I broke my own rule about leaving kids out of political debates. The children of public figures should be left on the sidelines. It was a stupid mistake and I apologize–and as a dad I should have known better.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-apologizes-for-malia-obama-comments/

It doesnt matter why it was done. Even Beck recognized the childishness of it all.

Children should never be used as a form of redicule. And before you start again about Palin, go do some research. Im sure you will find me time and time again stating how her children should never have been a part of that mess either.

Sanity, have some decency. Put yourself above others and leave the children out of this!




Sanity -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 9:20:39 PM)

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Obama never said word one about either...


Bull shit





tazzygirl -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 9:23:17 PM)

When i said either, i was referring to Palin's children or the Bush girls.




Sanity -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 9:27:44 PM)


This doesn't have anything to do with his kids, try breathing into a sack or something.




tazzygirl -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone (6/14/2010 9:29:34 PM)

The picture you posted does. Beck even acknowledged that, appologized for it. Now your plastering it across the message board likes its some proud flag to be wearing.

But im not surprised at your lack of decency.




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