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MsDDom -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 6:32:05 AM)

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Is it really important to others to shove it out there to everyone.


For some people, it is...it is like coming out. For others, it is "don't ask, won't tell".

In regards to boasting, there are just those types who feel like everyone needs to know just how they are practicing/living the lifestyle. It's like unsolicited information...




juliaoceania -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 6:46:52 AM)

I told my sister, who did not accept it well, but I had my reasons for telling her. I am out to many of my friends, because it helps them understand the configuration of my past relationships. My mom put it together a long time ago, not the sex part, but the being submissive in a relationship thing... she has even used the term, without putting the sex aspect on it.

Some people are more in tune with their loved ones than others, my mom who knows me better than anyone just knows because she knows me. My friends would have guessed me to be on the opposite side of the spectrum because I brim with confidence (see, I get to educate them that confident people can be submissive)... they accept me the way I am and the group I run with actually wants to go to BDSM clubs with me. But they are also the sorts to go to at LGBT events.

I am not necessarily "out".... but I find myself giving less of a shit all of the time about who knows. I don't advertise it, but I am not in the mood to hide it like it is a top secret either. If my partner was freaked out about others knowing, well I would be fastidious in hiding it... There is nothing wrong with being private about your personal life either,... Which is why I took my face pic down.




truesub4u -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 8:41:01 AM)

I am in NO WAY advocating hiding anything.... and I only mentioned being gay because it was something I seen last night at work, And it related to my question at hand about boasting.. bragging.. having things shoved in ones face. I have a many of friends that are gay and I love them dearly. So please do not think I am against gays or any other walks of life. My own daughter RaiRai is bisexual. (And no this isn't boasting, this is stating a fact and clarifying that there is a time and a place for such conversation of ones way of life)




LadySilver0523 -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 8:42:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

I think that there is a fine line between withholding information and discretion. There are some places and situations that just don't require full disclosure, but sometimes, you can't -help- but disclose things about yourself to people in your life who might judge the situation poorly. Fortunately, BDSM/authority-based life is one area that is open to a great deal of discretion, which, combined with learning some simple semi-evasive but completely honest responses to questions, can allow one to have a joyful life, be honest about oneself, and still practice discretion and maintain healthy relationships with the more judgmental members of one's social circle.

My father is 85 years old. He's pretty set in his ways, and pretty vocal about approving or disapproving of certain behaviors.

I am poly, actively involved in authority-based relationships, into blood sports, tattoos, piercings, and a religion that is widely divergent from the one I was raised in. While I don't have to discuss sex with him, it would break my heart to not have him meet some of my companions and get to know his grandchildren who come from the non-traditional relationships I am in just as much as the ones born out of the sanctioned marriage I had. This required a lot of fine-tuning to pull off, and for many years, I handled it by avoiding the situation entirely (and by avoiding my dad, whom I was angry with for other issues that had nothing to do with relationships, sex, or body modification, but had EVERYTHING to do with another pet-peeve area revolving around my mom and his decisions about her end-of-life issues as well, in the process).

When I became an Elder on my spiritual path (Elder = Teacher), I was no longer allowed to avoid my dad. I was told, during my Trials to Elder, that I was going to have to figure out a way to interact with my father in a way that was mutually respectful of both of us. Doing so helped me to understand that we can be completely honest about our lives with those we care about, but can do so in a way that -also- respects the sanctity of their deeply held beliefs, fears, and values. Sometimes, though, even when we try to be discrete, there are going to be people who just can't accept our right to make choices other than the ones that they've made -- and sometimes, these people are family members. Sometimes, whether we are blatant or subtle, those close to us will pick up enough clues to be able to see what we are (or what they suspect that we are) and will call us on it in ways that may range from the helpful to the completely unproductive.

For most people, the goal in life is to effect change in their neighbors/friends/family to be carbon-copies of themselves -- they don't worry about changing themselves and, in fact, are often overtly hostile to anyone who attempts to present a worldview that is in conflict with their own, especially if it seems that they might be required to embrace something that their own worldview finds reprehensible. Sometimes, in order to be able to be true to oneself, it requires confronting those who would try to re-shape us in their own image or who would insist that we be something other than ourselves, even when we've subtly indicated that our well-being lies in a different direction. Discretion is the better part of valor, but sometimes courage means continuing on the road, even when doing so requires plowing through roadblocks set by those who purport to "love" us, and then use that "love" to crowbar us around to their point of view. (These are the times when I suspect that the words "I love you" really mean "You -belong- to me and have to be what I want you to be" -- which is all good if you choose to be in that kind of a relationship, but, as we've discussed earlier, when it's non-consensual and one-sided... well.. not so much.)

Calla


You are amazing. I don't know what path you're on, but I fully agree with every word you said. *smiles softly* I too say, "discression is the better part of valor." and feel that it is a good view to have about life and life situations.
 
If you'd like to get to know one another and speak more about spirituality and your path, I'd be willing to share mine with you. You may write me here and if you'd like to communicate via MSN, Yahoo, or e-mail outside of CM, then we can.
 
Peace and blessings,
 
Silver




lally2 -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 8:47:45 AM)

im in an odd mood, so ignore me - but i couldnt help but notice the irony of this thread and youre profile name [:D]




truesub4u -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 8:50:06 AM)

[sm=banana.gif][sm=banana.gif][sm=banana.gif] hiya IronBear... long time no see.

Traditionaly you are correct. Gals do our fair share of having a good talk fest as well. [sm=waves.gif][sm=waves.gif]





IronBear -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 9:06:27 AM)

Hmmmm I suspected they might. That where I come from, gets referred to as Women's' Business/Magick and no males are permitted to attend. 




truesub4u -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 9:07:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lally2

im in an odd mood, so ignore me - but i couldnt help but notice the irony of this thread and youre profile name [:D]


ok let me see if I can word this right without getting attacked.

My name is what I given when I started on this site. And let me go further on my own topic of conversation. I was formally owned by a gentleman that is still on this site. And being his I use to do things that he would request of me. And that included wearing my slave collar to work and around town. I remember a few times I was questioned about my choice of attire. I would laugh it off as being a joke. It "outted" me to people that I didn't care knew and to others that their opions ment alot to me. Lost a friend or two. Gained a few new ones.

But I guess now that I have been away from my former Masters guiding hand. I see things differently. Not in a way that makes me think i'm better or worse that others. Just my eyes see things in a different manner is all.

Last year there was a thread about how people express themselves in public. Like at the mall. And that's what make me think of the when and where and to whom one outs themselves.

So as to your quote about this thread and my screen name.... this is a BDSM site.... not my office... or mall...there's a time and place.. as they say...




truesub4u -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 9:13:49 AM)

DAMN!!!! it just dawned on me.... now that RaiRai is 18... she's on this site now... and now knows more about mom. It's only a matter of time before she starts the ribbing and jokes. Oh well... one never knows when the shit is gonna hit the fan... yall stand back.. it's about to blow....[sm=dancing.gif]




missrairai -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 9:24:47 AM)

Hahaha BUSTED.

Being an openly bisexual woman [my husband is cool with it], I had to deal with people judging me based solely upon that fact. But I do not shove it down anybody's throat, nor have I ever. I have recieved odd looks from people in public when I was with another woman and I was hugging/kissing/holding hands with her, but I learn to take it in stride.
Some people do not approve, therefore they will never accept.




juliaoceania -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 10:02:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: missrairai

Hahaha BUSTED.

Being an openly bisexual woman [my husband is cool with it], I had to deal with people judging me based solely upon that fact. But I do not shove it down anybody's throat, nor have I ever. I have recieved odd looks from people in public when I was with another woman and I was hugging/kissing/holding hands with her, but I learn to take it in stride.
Some people do not approve, therefore they will never accept.



I have a German friend, she likes to walk with her arm around me out in public, or to hold hands.... it is an expression of platonic friendship and agape love for her.. and as such I often walk arm and arm with her, or hold hands with her... and people gape at us too[:D]

You don't even have to be bi to get that reaction.... just showing affection to a member of the same sex is enough to make some people think that they have to push the gay away... some people are so retarded (and I do not mean mentally, I mean emotionally)




missrairai -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 10:09:49 AM)

Some people in the town we live in do not understand that holding hands with your gal pals is a sign of friendship, and they automatically judge where they have no business judging. Especially people that from an older generation. But then again, there is alot of things that older generations do not understand, just as there are things that they do that we do not understand [like why I had to get my tounge pierced XD]

But once again, there are people that do not wish to understand, so it's there fault, not mine.




truesub4u -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 10:15:34 AM)

it's not that I do not understand you getting your tongue pierced.... nope.. I do not understand it.. but I respect your decision to do so. I just PERSONALLY do not approve of tongue or facial piercings. To each their own because I respects ones individual choices. Don't mean I have to like it...[:)]




missrairai -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 10:18:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u

it's not that I do not understand you getting your tongue pierced.... nope.. I do not understand it.. but I respect your decision to do so. I just PERSONALLY do not approve of tongue or facial piercings. To each their own because I respects ones individual choices. Don't mean I have to like it...[:)]


Case in point.
Mwhahahahahaaa




truesub4u -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 10:23:15 AM)

Julia... to respond to your post and Rai's.... we live in Jacksonville NC.. home to Camp Lejeune USMC. Where the marines walk around here seeing to gals whom are just friends walking hand and hand or arm in arm and they are quick to jump at the mere aspects they're gay and it would be cool to watch them...





DarwinsLilHelper -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 10:27:57 AM)

littlewonder
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shock and awe

People seem to like to "share" this bit of info with others for pure entertainment value. they want to see what the other person will do. they get a kick of watching their jaw drop open in sheer shock or disgust.

It's usually something done by people who need constant attention or due to immaturity.

what's the saying? Any attention is good attention.



100% Spot on.

You know. Theres and excellent Psychology Journal Article entitled "They Feel Your Pain : Münchhausens by Internet and other Factitious Disorders Related to Online Activity . While the Post referred to is not Münchhausens and is most probably factual. It does illustrate the need some find to reap validation from putting their story of woe before anonymous online strangers. I suppose for some theres a certain exhibitionistic thrill to it.

I especially get a kick out of watching the little "Lets just hang all the details of every time I have sex on the internet" types, who have children and have never given the slightest thought to the future or what happens when Moore's law kicks in and their child 6 or 7 today turns 15 in a few years sits down in front of an internet search engine x10 more powerful than we have today and gets to read about how mommy likes to be tied to a cross and impaled on a 10" dildo before she gets the enema and the watersports...You suppose little Jane or Johnny won't pull that one out as a weapon the next time you try to ground them? You think kids are fucked up now. Just wait till they can look up daddys taste in knife play porn with a few keystrokes.

You see. Most of you here think your marching towards a bright shining new utopia of sexual freedom. When in all actuality the privacy backlash has already begun as the initially explosive wave of social networking breaks on the reef of "More Info Than We Really Needed to Know".





leadership527 -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 10:28:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u
But I guess now that I have been away from my former Masters guiding hand. I see things differently. Not in a way that makes me think i'm better or worse that others. Just my eyes see things in a different manner is all.

OK, so to answer your broader question, I out myself and Carol to varying degrees depending on the situation. For instance, here on collarme I provide a lot of real life information. Anyone who really wanted to could probably track us down in real life. But given that everyone here is supposed to be an adult and are all participating in various deviant things, I don't really have any issue with "outing myself" here.

I've also outed myself people who are intimately involved in my life. This would include a select set of friends, my parents, and my children. I do this because I have no interest in hiding the truth of my marriage to anyone who is going to be on the inside circle of my life. Exceptions are made here for Carol's family who, generally, are a pretty repressed bunch and honestly aren't that intimately involved in our lives either. Again, remember that for us, this has nothing to do with our sex lives, so it's not like I went over to my mom's the other day and discussed Carol's blow job skills.

Then there are the times I've taken her out in public in a collar (all the time). I've also taken her out leashed (rarely). This is a situation where I feel strongly that in the society in which I live, individuals have rights and I'm not willing to give up mine. In this particular case, those rights are described the the various public decency laws. I don't need to invent them nor do I need anyone else inventing them on my behalf. What I feel even more strongly than the desire to not cede over my won rights is that I don't want other people giving up on theirs. I do not wish to live in a homogeneous society where conformance is the most important thing. I don't want the USA to go that way and so I won't encourage it by participating in the slide myself.

None of these cases had to do with "bragging". Honestly, the entire idea that I would brag about our marriage implies a sense of superiority that I do not feel. It's simply a matter of balancing need and rights and pragmatism and coming up with an answer then executing it.

Does that help?




truesub4u -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 10:36:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527


Then there are the times I've taken her out in public in a collar (all the time). I've also taken her out leashed (rarely). This is a situation where I feel strongly that in the society in which I live, individuals have rights and I'm not willing to give up mine. In this particular case, those rights are described the the various public decency laws. I don't need to invent them nor do I need anyone else inventing them on my behalf. What I feel even more strongly than the desire to not cede over my won rights is that I don't want other people giving up on theirs. I do not wish to live in a homogeneous society where conformance is the most important thing. I don't want the USA to go that way and so I won't encourage it by participating in the slide myself.


Does that help?


Now I agree with not giving up ones right to be and live who they are. And I never suggested that at all.




missrairai -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 10:36:49 AM)

What you are saying is alot like me and my husband's family.
We do not wear collars in public, but that is out of respect for other people. Instead, he wears my ring and I wear his.
How people show their commitment for others, be it in a "normal" relationship, an authoritive relationship, or other type of relationship, differs.
You and your partner wear collars, me and my husband wear our rings.
To each his own.

[This is in NO way  saying what you practice is wrong. We have to be a little more discrete as we may run into people he works with, friends of his parents, or his recruiter lol. Damn Air Force haha]




leadership527 -> RE: Why Boast (6/15/2010 10:38:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u
Now I agree with not giving up ones right to be and live who they are. And I never suggested that at all.

No need to get defensive. I didn't say or imply you suggested anything. As I read your ongoing posts on this thread, it seemed like you were grappling with the boundary between individual rights and societal onces... where does privacy being and end for you and others? I elaborated on some of my own decision making... for instance, Carol being collared and/or leashed in public.




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