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RE: Doomsayers - 6/16/2010 12:17:44 PM   
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RE: Doomsayers - 6/16/2010 12:25:53 PM   
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That is not including the lightweight clothing  and moccasins.

If you want to learn how to survive anywhere look at what the creatures are doing and mimic them.




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RE: Doomsayers - 6/16/2010 12:26:37 PM   
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RE: Doomsayers - 6/16/2010 12:33:28 PM   
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Knife, Rope, Painter's Tarp (5mm in thickness, Clear or Black), Needle, Thread, Small Magnet, Fire Piston (compressed air turns tinder into an ember), Metal Container, two long Coats, hook, line, and sinker.

That is not including the lightweight clothing and moccasins.

If you want to learn how to survive anywhere look at what the creatures are doing and mimic them.


Ewww. A "whats in your BOB (Bug Out Bag) turn to this thread.

I must consider this. It might frighten the Liberals with their Elmer Fudd guns, ninja throwing stars and impractical prestige SUV's.

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RE: Doomsayers - 6/16/2010 12:44:25 PM   
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You know what Rahm Emanuel and Leon Trotsky have in common?


Lev Davidovich Bronshtein and Rahm Israel Emanuel both share the same faith.  Other than that, not one fucking thing unless you are counting that they share some letters of the alphabet or they were born male on earth.

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RE: Doomsayers - 6/16/2010 1:37:50 PM   
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No doomcookies for you. I think you are fixated/obsessed with political affiliations.


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RE: Doomsayers - 6/16/2010 1:54:01 PM   
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Ooookay then.

No doomcookies for you. I think you are fixated/obsessed with political affiliations.


Do you reckon? No idea how you noticed that: he hides it so well, doesn't he?

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RE: Doomsayers - 6/16/2010 9:10:35 PM   
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My one roommate spent both halves of our rent on pills while I was working hard so I could MAYBE eat that day. This went on for three months until the landlord spoke with me.

The cozy little lives we lead are going to End. Drugs, Oilspill, Flooding, Substandard housing, homelessness (which I have been quite a few times. There is a damn good reason why the homeless sleep in cardboard boxes) We have terrorists in our own country yet we are 'resolving' conflict over the sea.

In my opinion you must have had a good life so far. I don't know your past so I will not make assumptions.

I have had a rough life and I am not even 1/3 of the way to my own personal DOOM.


Hello pyro. It is regretable that you are having personal difficulties. However, this OP was clearly about the destruction of our social system. That is what I addressed when I asserted and repeat here that we (collectively) as a people per the OP are living better lives than at anytime in our history.

Of course there are people who suffer difficulties but you cannot generalize from the particular. That is "inventing shit."

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How much does the good life cost? What defines 'Good' from 'Bad'?
The only reason why America prospered initially was off of SLAVE LABOR.


We are not all going to hang our heads in collective guilt as deplorable as the middle passage was. It is true that slavery was the great wound in our founding documents and the agricultural labor of the slave contributed mightily to initial prosperity. But that slave labor did not contribute to the prosperity and growth the nation experienced in the 20th Century. That prosperity was the result of new technologies in transportation, manufacturing, medicine, communications, and agriculture among other areas. Playing the slave card in this thread and in reply to my statement is like I said just "inventing shit."

If you do not think we as a nation and people are living better at the turn of the 21st Century than we were at the turn of the 20th Century, please feel free to make your case with specific metrics. But please stop "inventing shit."

Good luck in getting your life on track.

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RE: Doomsayers - 6/17/2010 7:58:03 AM   
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"If you do not think we as a nation and people are living better at the turn of the 21st Century than we were at the turn of the 20th Century, please feel free to make your case with specific metrics"

Objective answers will be hard to come by as everyone is going to use different criteria. Do we measure it by the sophistication of our toys ? OK medical care that nobody can afford, yes but I had a relative many years ago who died during a cataract operation. Prosperity ? Long ago people saved and bought their first flivver, now there is always a car payment, which means if you lose your job you lose that as well. People bought land and built their own houses. Mine was built in about 1905 and then occupied by the builder until sold. He then took that money and built another, then another and so forth. His future was pretty secure compared to today.

People did not miss what they never had. So in terms of technological advances, at the dawn of the 22nd century are people going to wonder how the hell we survived without things they will deem necessities ?

Even today we have people who shun the modern life and, by choice, go live in the wilderness and shoot and grow their own food. Split their own lumber for heat, build their own house or cabin. Are such people less happy because of their decision ? I think not.

I think one of the more important things different a century ago is that most people had alot of confidence that their progeny would live better than they. That concept is definitely out the window today.

No two people are going to agree because everyone makes their own judgement as to what is important and what is not.

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RE: Doomsayers - 6/17/2010 8:06:42 AM   
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"If you do not think we as a nation and people are living better at the turn of the 21st Century than we were at the turn of the 20th Century, please feel free to make your case with specific metrics"

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I think one of the more important things different a century ago is that most people had alot of confidence that their progeny would live better than they. That concept is definitely out the window today.


Either they were right, and life is better today, or they were wrong, and so it's not really that important.


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RE: Doomsayers - 6/17/2010 8:08:39 AM   
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What a load of bollocks OP.


Really! We are living better now than we ever have in history. We have better health, greater longevity, and a greater variety of food and material goods for entertainment and comfort. Plus we fuck more often. Look it up.

The OP is bollocks as you say, DC.


Not necessarily. Hell, not at all.

This whole 30-year-life-span idea relates to the agricultural revolution, not the millions of years before it when people had better diets.

In terms of free time -- again, yeah right. The average Native American pre-colonization worked, what, 3, 4 hours a day?

I'm not at all convinced, by the way, that our sex is better.

Yes, yes, we have doctors, airplanes, etc. -- it doesn't mean we're happier. In fact, Americans, especially, don't usually rank high in terms of happiness.

And these doctors can't even clear the simplest ailments.

The most effective doctor I've ever visited was a chiropractor.

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RE: Doomsayers - 6/17/2010 10:35:48 AM   
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This whole 30-year-life-span idea relates to the agricultural revolution, not the millions of years before it when people had better diets.


Astonishing statement, S8. The current interglacial period began about 12,000 years ago and led to the advent of agriculture. So, you think Ice Age people had better diets than agricultural people? Really?

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In terms of free time -- again, yeah right. The average Native American pre-colonization worked, what, 3, 4 hours a day?


So, the indigenous people spent 20 hours a day at sleep and play? I don't think so. Bear in mind they were mostly hunter/gatherers with some patch farming and that horses were re-introduced to the western continents by the Spanish. A more likely picture is of tribes constantly moving about on foot searching for and fighting over territory productive for food.

The Pilgrims did in fact find some settled tribes east of the Appalachians but these were people who were farming, hunting, etc on foot and without plow horses. Not likely they were lying about under a tree all day reading their Kindles and grooving to their ipod tracks.

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I'm not at all convinced, by the way, that our sex is better.


I suspect many contemporary women would take issue with you on that.

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Yes, yes, we have doctors, airplanes, etc. -- it doesn't mean we're happier. In fact, Americans, especially, don't usually rank high in terms of happiness.


Now you are changing the rules, S8. The comparison I made was 1900 vs 2000. If you start talking about Americans' happiness vs contemporaries you will have to get into that whole capitalism vs socialism debate. But really, you think people living in crowded tenements on NYC's lower east side were happy with their lot and did not miss what they never had as Termy says above? Next thing I will be reading on here is that blacks really were happier working for massa on the plantation.

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And these doctors can't even clear the simplest ailments.

The most effective doctor I've ever visited was a chiropractor.


Was he the hero we can thank for eradicating tuberculosis, thyphus, typhoid fever, cholera, diphtheria, small pox, etc? .... Puhleez!


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RE: Doomsayers - 6/17/2010 8:45:42 PM   
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This whole 30-year-life-span idea relates to the agricultural revolution, not the millions of years before it when people had better diets.


Astonishing statement, S8. The current interglacial period began about 12,000 years ago and led to the advent of agriculture. So, you think Ice Age people had better diets than agricultural people? Really?

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In terms of free time -- again, yeah right. The average Native American pre-colonization worked, what, 3, 4 hours a day?


So, the indigenous people spent 20 hours a day at sleep and play? I don't think so. Bear in mind they were mostly hunter/gatherers with some patch farming and that horses were re-introduced to the western continents by the Spanish. A more likely picture is of tribes constantly moving about on foot searching for and fighting over territory productive for food.

The Pilgrims did in fact find some settled tribes east of the Appalachians but these were people who were farming, hunting, etc on foot and without plow horses. Not likely they were lying about under a tree all day reading their Kindles and grooving to their ipod tracks.

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I'm not at all convinced, by the way, that our sex is better.


I suspect many contemporary women would take issue with you on that.

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Yes, yes, we have doctors, airplanes, etc. -- it doesn't mean we're happier. In fact, Americans, especially, don't usually rank high in terms of happiness.


Now you are changing the rules, S8. The comparison I made was 1900 vs 2000. If you start talking about Americans' happiness vs contemporaries you will have to get into that whole capitalism vs socialism debate. But really, you think people living in crowded tenements on NYC's lower east side were happy with their lot and did not miss what they never had as Termy says above? Next thing I will be reading on here is that blacks really were happier working for massa on the plantation.

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And these doctors can't even clear the simplest ailments.

The most effective doctor I've ever visited was a chiropractor.


Was he the hero we can thank for eradicating tuberculosis, thyphus, typhoid fever, cholera, diphtheria, small pox, etc? .... Puhleez!



'Millions' was meant to be hyperbolic.

This is not that controversial, I'd claim. It's almost, I'd argue, a standard among anthropologists. There was a famous paper by Marshall Sahlins in the 60s that made something along the lines of this claim, as have many since.

Again, I don't have tuberculosis, typhus, typhoid fever, cholera, diphtheria, small pox... what's not clear is the extent to which hunter-gatherers, or even just sustainable producers more generally, also did or did not have these diseases.

My point remains -- it's far, far from self-evident that we are somehow 'better off' individually or as a species than during prehistoric times.



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RE: Doomsayers - 6/17/2010 8:51:28 PM   
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RE: Doomsayers - 6/17/2010 9:37:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Again, I don't have tuberculosis, typhus, typhoid fever, cholera, diphtheria, small pox... what's not clear is the extent to which hunter-gatherers, or even just sustainable producers more generally, also did or did not have these diseases."

Demographics and environment do have an impact on such things. When it comes to communicable diseases, more people means more contact, or closer contact. Now we have many more people spending alot of time in buildings with HVAC systems that recycle alot of the air, to the point where they had to set minimum standards for air replacement. They had to, because to save a buck some would recycle the same air if they could, until it was depleted of oxygen. They started that shit on planes as well. In the old days people would just open windows.

Also there was not as much travel back then. This inherently spreads less pathogens to those who may have not (yet) developed an immunity.

So those changes from then to now had an effect. Exposure is more, but they have better drugs (kinda). But now with the increased use of antibiotics some pathogens are developing resistance to treatment.

Is this better or worse ?

T

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RE: Doomsayers - 6/18/2010 6:06:08 AM   
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We are, at least, happier than Silence.


You're obviously not.

Every single post you're either insulting someone's intelligence or quoting the specifics of your salary, capital assets.

That's happiness? Get real.

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RE: Doomsayers - 6/18/2010 6:11:37 AM   
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RE: Doomsayers - 6/18/2010 6:13:00 AM   
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"Again, I don't have tuberculosis, typhus, typhoid fever, cholera, diphtheria, small pox... what's not clear is the extent to which hunter-gatherers, or even just sustainable producers more generally, also did or did not have these diseases."

Demographics and environment do have an impact on such things. When it comes to communicable diseases, more people means more contact, or closer contact. Now we have many more people spending alot of time in buildings with HVAC systems that recycle alot of the air, to the point where they had to set minimum standards for air replacement. They had to, because to save a buck some would recycle the same air if they could, until it was depleted of oxygen. They started that shit on planes as well. In the old days people would just open windows.

Also there was not as much travel back then. This inherently spreads less pathogens to those who may have not (yet) developed an immunity.

So those changes from then to now had an effect. Exposure is more, but they have better drugs (kinda). But now with the increased use of antibiotics some pathogens are developing resistance to treatment.

Is this better or worse ?

T


These are definitely some of the issues.

At this point, we're in so many ways past the point of 'returning', as it were, but not in all regards -- people can still grow their own food, etc., but that sometimes seems unsubstantial in terms of scale. (Also, you might get sued by Monsanto).

What's naive is to think that science is necessarily a cure-all -- for the problems it creates.

Combined with capitalism -- good luck!

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RE: Doomsayers - 6/18/2010 7:37:16 AM   
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We are, at least, happier than Silence.


You're obviously not.

Every single post you're either insulting someone's intelligence or quoting the specifics of your salary, capital assets.

That's happiness? Get real.


We're also nicer, less ironic, and much more truthful and accurate.

Go to your happy place.

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RE: Doomsayers - 6/18/2010 7:40:11 AM   
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We are, at least, happier than Silence.


You're obviously not.

Every single post you're either insulting someone's intelligence or quoting the specifics of your salary, capital assets.

That's happiness? Get real.


We're also nicer, less ironic, and much more truthful and accurate.

Go to your happy place.


Who's 'we'? Your multiple personalities? Part music? Part mystery?

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