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eihwaz -> veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 4:34:04 PM)
A number of profiles state veganism as a hard limit. Most people don't practice veganism, but why would someone consider it a hard limit? Is there some kind of vegan kink I don't know about?

Level -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 4:36:28 PM)
They may see vegans as "whackos", or they don't want to feel like they're being judged every time they sit down to a nice, bloody ribeye. Or they're trying to be funny.

CalifChick -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 4:54:37 PM)
They don't want to hear "that's not healthy for you" at every meal. By the way, I say, "At least animals can scream and run away. That damn plant you're eating didn't stand a chance."

DomKen -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 4:54:39 PM)
I've found that vegans tend to be holier than thou about their dietary choices and I don't find that trait appealing in someone I spend time with.

Hillwilliam -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 6:44:10 PM)
PETA People Eating Tasty Animals

Tantriqu -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 7:33:37 PM)
As Mark Twain says, they are full of wind and self-righteousness. I'd add, with disagreeable body odour, anorgasmia, and deep depression with a twisted sense of self-esteem, where they feel lower than animals and superior to every other human. But a great sport is watching vegans one-up each other: hoot!

DesFIP -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 8:05:34 PM)
I don't want to have to cook two separate meals. It's too much work. I like eggs in the morning. I can't eat soy. I don't want to deal with it nor could we go out to the same restaurants. Places that cater to vegans tend not to have stuff for meat eaters. Vegetarians are one thing, but no eggs, no butter, no splash of milk in the mashed potatoes? Too damned much work for me as the cook. Nor do I want someone else complaining about what I eat and my experience with zealots is that they do just that.

Jeffff -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 8:07:38 PM)
I have dated a vegan. It was no big deal. And I don't eat green food.

laurell3 -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 8:07:40 PM)
Haha you guys crack me up. I wouldn't care about their diet. I am not a vegan or vegetarian but I have alot of food limits. Aw darn I guess Des won't be cooking for me.

eruditebeau -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 8:17:37 PM)
If you are a vegan, you may have legit points about why you are one. Yes, it's absolutely disgusting that chickens are raised with their feet cut off; yes it is horrid that animals are fed things that lead to their demise; yes, it is awful that many veal cannot even walk; however, it isn't in all practices Pick your poison-- 1) You want to play the religious card, and it is morally wrong. Okay, but there isn't a religion on Earth that places veganism as one of its fundamental values. If eggs are bad, then you should also know that thousands of fertilized eggs are naturally aborted and wasted during all mammal's ovarian cycle. 2) You believe it is healthier. As stated, many people with thryroid problems cannot tolerate soy, as with many others. Ever tried being a gluten-free vegan? Good luck starving while you have Celiac disease. 3) It makes you smell better and has so many other benefits. This is fine by me, but you have to understand why others find holes in your values. It may be their limit, but it isn't everyones. Some cultures place less emphasis on body hair, body odor, and other things; meanwhile, many of these cultures are those that place a value on vegetarianism. 4) If men can cultivate food, why kill an animal? We've had to do it for survival, and while certain meats aren't exactly shining medals of what is good for you, it has sustained our species for tens--really more--of thousands of years. We aren't naturally herbivores; we are omnivores. We eat what we can: berries, fruits, and whatever will give us energy.

Aileen1968 -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 8:18:15 PM)
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"

laurell3 -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 8:21:39 PM)
We don't need no thought control.

NuevaVida -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/15/2010 8:33:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eihwaz A number of profiles state veganism as a hard limit. Most people don't practice veganism, but why would someone consider it a hard limit? Is there some kind of vegan kink I don't know about? Ignorance, I think. My owner's daughter is vegan. I don't cook two separate meals, I educate myself on what she can and can't eat, and incorporate that into the overall dinner. Pasta is easy - saute some chicken on the side and add it later. BBQ? Veggie kabobs for the girl, then put the beef on for shish kabobs for the man. There are all sorts of ideas for vegan meals, if you're creative. Read labels and look for the V (although packaged vegan foods can be more expensive). It's easy to feed her. I told her to educate her parents on what she can eat, so they don't get so frustrated. The only downside I see is that it can be hard to find a decent place to go to dinner, and I have to pay closer attention shopping. But she's not actively political about it; she's just exercising her own personal choice. But it's probably just as likely that vegans have carnivores as a hard limit, so it all evens out. [;)]

areallivehuman -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/16/2010 2:26:35 AM)
I've been a vegan for a litle over 2 years now, for health reasons. And it is actually helping. I am not a militant vegan. I do believe animals were put on earth for man to use. I have no problem with wearing leather, nothing works better. Someday in the future I may eat meat again. But I firmly believe that current animal husbandry and general food producton practices are contributing to the epidemic of obesity and cancer in Western society. I don't begrudge anyone the right to eat whatever they want. My choice works for me. Just thought you all should know that not all vegans are self-righteous fanatics.

juliaoceania -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/16/2010 7:45:02 AM)
I love cooking and eating with my partner. I do not date vegans. I have friends that are vegan, and when I have parties I always have to prepare special stuff for them. It is a pain in the ass, but they are my buddies so I make dietary allowances for them. I cannot imagine living my entire life like that. Since I am usually the person who prepares food wherever I go, I would ideally like someone who has similar tastes. It is not a hard limit, but telling me not to eat animals is. My argument to vegans who have tried to warn me of the health risks of eating meat... "Look in your mouth and tell me what kinda teeth you find there" and also "Tell me, how many stomachs do you possess to extract plant protein". I think veganism is an unhealthy lifestyle choice.... just me, etc

DesFIP -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/16/2010 8:06:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: laurell3 Haha you guys crack me up. I wouldn't care about their diet. I am not a vegan or vegetarian but I have alot of food limits. Aw darn I guess Des won't be cooking for me. I have a kid with a lot of food limits, Sensory Integration Disorder, not just picky. The Man's diabetic. I just can't imagine having to add more limits. I'm working around a lot of stuff as is. If this was the only problem to deal with then maybe, if they didn't preach. However most vegans I know are heavy on the preachy bit. But you can come for tea and cookies? How about that? Although most good pastry products are heavy on the butter and eggs.

Moonhead -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/16/2010 9:52:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I've found that vegans tend to be holier than thou about their dietary choices and I don't find that trait appealing in someone I spend time with. To be fair, a lot of meat eaters take a pretty holier than thou attitude as well. It could be argued that's how you're coming across yourself, as a matter of fact. I admit that I have dealt with a few self righteous vegetarians in my time, but I've also met a lot more self righteous omnivores, most of whom spend a lot of time slagging off the other lot before arguing that their own shit doesn't stink. Whatever you say about the vegans, at least they aren't prone to that sort of hypocrisy, are they? As for beau: quote: 1) You want to play the religious card, and it is morally wrong. Okay, but there isn't a religion on Earth that places veganism as one of its fundamental values. If eggs are bad, then you should also know that thousands of fertilized eggs are naturally aborted and wasted during all mammal's ovarian cycle. Try looking up Jainism on wiki. The hare krishnas and several flavours of buddhism also follow a strict vegetarian diet. I think that the Sufis do as well, but I'm not sure about that one.

juliaoceania -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/16/2010 10:04:37 AM)
quote: To be fair, a lot of meat eaters take a pretty holier than thou attitude as well. It could be argued that's how you're coming across yourself, as a matter of fact. I admit that I have dealt with a few self righteous vegetarians in my time, but I've also met a lot more self righteous omnivores, most of whom spend a lot of time slagging off the other lot before arguing that their own shit doesn't stink. Whatever you say about the vegans, at least they aren't prone to that sort of hypocrisy, are they? I am a self righteous omnivore. I have a friend that was over at my house and I asked her if she could eat poultry (some veggie people eat poultry or fish) as I wanted to make her lunch. In her most haughty voice she informed me "I like to eat down the food chain to less sentient lifeforms, thank you very much!" I casually said, "So, you think Planet Earth values creatures based upon their gray matter, and the more gray matter you have, the more value you have"...and then I said..." i just don't think of life like that, plants have as much value as I do, and as a chicken does, and since we all have to eat something I can't say a chicken is better than a head of lettuce" She didn't like that

pahunkboy -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/16/2010 10:05:39 AM)
I love food.

Moonhead -> RE: veganism a hard limit? (6/16/2010 1:38:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: To be fair, a lot of meat eaters take a pretty holier than thou attitude as well. It could be argued that's how you're coming across yourself, as a matter of fact. I admit that I have dealt with a few self righteous vegetarians in my time, but I've also met a lot more self righteous omnivores, most of whom spend a lot of time slagging off the other lot before arguing that their own shit doesn't stink. Whatever you say about the vegans, at least they aren't prone to that sort of hypocrisy, are they? I am a self righteous omnivore. I have a friend that was over at my house and I asked her if she could eat poultry (some veggie people eat poultry or fish) as I wanted to make her lunch. In her most haughty voice she informed me "I like to eat down the food chain to less sentient lifeforms, thank you very much!" I casually said, "So, you think Planet Earth values creatures based upon their gray matter, and the more gray matter you have, the more value you have"...and then I said..." i just don't think of life like that, plants have as much value as I do, and as a chicken does, and since we all have to eat something I can't say a chicken is better than a head of lettuce" She didn't like that You're hardly disproving my point there.

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