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bettamorphasis -> protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 9:20:20 AM)

just wondering if anyone else feels this way about "protocol"
Seems even in this so called "alternative lifestyle" people are so insecure about themselves ( dom/sub both guilty) they need their lil security blanket/pacifier called "protocol"  .I would have thought being oneself is the least soul destroying way to be/live but apparently mainstream indoctrination  influences even this lifestyle




Lockit -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 9:32:29 AM)

Whoa... pretty upset about what others do eh? So you come to where some may have personal protocols and insult them as if they are not being true to themselves and think that is okay because most should share your opinion? That the need/desire/whatever for protocol stems from insecurity? Sounds like a personal opinion you don't mind forcing upon others.

Who made you god?

Whether we believe in protocol or not... and I do have to wonder what protocol you are speaking of and where you have seen it... there are people who do wish to have some protocol in their d/s relationship and who are you to decide what it means when you clearly don't get it if you think it only stems from insecurity? Protocol can be a big word and mean many things. To sum it up suggests that you really don't know what you are talking about.

Being true to yourself is big in my world, but so is live and let live.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 9:39:48 AM)

Any time you ask does any one else think........... Thw answer is yes, there's  probably a few that do. However I think it's very near sighted to claim that people that have or want protocol, are insecure, or not " being true  to themselves"
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ORIGINAL: bettamorphasis

just wondering if anyone else feels this way about "protocol"
Seems even in this so called "alternative lifestyle" people are so insecure about themselves ( dom/sub both guilty) they need their lil security blanket/pacifier called "protocol"  .I would have thought being oneself is the least soul destroying way to be/live but apparently mainstream indoctrination  influences even this lifestyle





LadyPact -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 9:42:42 AM)

Wow!  Did you ever ask the wrong person.

Exactly how much do you know about protocol?  Are you asking about a particular subset of folks (Leather, Gorean, etc) or just protocols regarding BDSM gatherings in general?

Protocol can be just another term used in place of 'code of conduct'.  In other words, yes, people are expected to conduct themselves in a certain standard, rather than just a free for all.

For example, a common protocol is not to touch another person's property (human or otherwise) without permission.  In other words, it isn't acceptable to grope any person you feel like, just because you thought it might be fun to do it.  How encouraging of an environment do you think would exist for new people coming into this lifestyle would there be if that wasn't in place?  Sure, some people might think that's hot, but other people might not want to be objectified in such a way.

Some people thrive in high protocol situations.  It helps to bring them to the headspace that they would like to be.  They like structure and order.  They like formalities.  If you're not one of those folks, perhaps you would be interested in different types of settings and perhaps more comfortable without socializing with those of us who prefer a higher standard.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 10:27:32 AM)

So, if I expect my submissive to call me "ma'am", and carry my toybag it makes me insecure? Neato!!




PeonForHer -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 10:31:25 AM)

I think this protocol stuff is more of a turn-on than people realise.  Possibly more so for subs than dommes.  Certainly the proliferation, and length, of threads about 'titles' and 'honorifics' hints at that.  There isn't a hornier word for me than 'Ma'am', for instance.  (Although 'lick' comes close, admittedly.)




Lockit -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 10:35:29 AM)

ROFL!




LadyPact -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 10:37:04 AM)

Well, didn't that just get more interesting?




Lockit -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 10:47:16 AM)

It sure did! lol I'm waiting for the cable guy and I may just have fits if he calls me ma'am!




LadyPact -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 10:50:52 AM)

There's a bad porno movie set up in there somewhere.  [sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif]




Lockit -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 11:00:24 AM)

ROFL... something like my pizza delivery guy thread! I scare myself sometimes.




PeonForHer -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 11:13:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

There's a bad porno movie set up in there somewhere.  [sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif]


Well, I could imagine quite a tasteful porno movie from that scenario, actually, LP.  Some might even say that I could have the makings of a fairly competent scriptwriter for such a project, too. ;-)




LadyPact -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 11:24:31 AM)

Speaking of which, don't you have some writing to do?




ReginaMirus -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 11:27:10 AM)

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OttersSwim -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 11:34:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

There's a bad porno movie set up in there somewhere.  [sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif]


Well, I could imagine quite a tasteful porno movie from that scenario, actually, LP.  Some might even say that I could have the makings of a fairly competent scriptwriter for such a project, too. ;-)


Meh...it would end up being a Mary Sue story...  [;)]




JhonDean -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 11:35:46 AM)

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just wondering if anyone else feels this way about "protocol"
Seems even in this so called "alternative lifestyle" people are so insecure about themselves ( dom/sub both guilty) they need their lil security blanket/pacifier called "protocol" .I would have thought being oneself is the least soul destroying way to be/live but apparently mainstream indoctrination influences even this lifestyle


All too often, we hear the word protocol and associate it with some subset of directives established by varying different groups and some of those groups allege their perceptions of social and personal structure is the one and only supernaturally endorsed set of conducts and behaviors.
Not true, not be a long shot but if you wish to interact with those groups it would be prudent to learn their protocols and when interacting with one or more of those groups adhere to their protocols.
Think of it in terms of an ever widening stream of experiences... not an endorcement or relinquishing of any of your beliefs or values or the suppressing of your individualities.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 11:40:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

Meh...it would end up being a Mary Sue story...  [;)]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

You don't think Peon would be a good pornstar?




LadyHibiscus -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 12:06:26 PM)

Licklick.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 1:04:06 PM)

Wow.

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ORIGINAL: bettamorphasis
just wondering if anyone else feels this way about "protocol"
Seems even in this so called "alternative lifestyle" people are so insecure about themselves ( dom/sub both guilty)

First, we're human. This means we have emotions and experience the wide range of things a human does, including being insecure. If you think you're supposed to find a "higher level" of humanity here because we're "alternative", you'll be disappointed (which seems you obviously are).

Second, consider that your attempts to degrade us are a thinly veiled way of stating your own fears about degradation. Exploring why you have this fear and why it needs to be a limit for you at the moment would be a much more constructive exercise.

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they need their lil security blanket/pacifier called "protocol"  .I would have thought being oneself is the least soul destroying way to be/live but apparently mainstream indoctrination  influences even this lifestyle

Third, there are several issues here.
1) You are assuming that your view of protocol is the view everyone SHOULD have. This isn't the case.
2) You are assuming the picture in your head about protocol and how it is used is actually the reality for everyone. It's not. Not everyone has a negative reaction to it.
3) You've just proclaimed that those of us who have a protocol fetish are invalid. This wasn't very compassionate and open-minded. Thanks.
4) You are assuming that protocol forces a person to be other than who they are when, in fact, for many people, protocol allows them to become who they really are.

If you don't like or want protocol, look for a relationship that doesn't contain it. Be happy. Follow your own fetishes... they will lead to you extraordinary places. But, it isn't necessary for you to like, understand or approve of all fetishes in order for this to happen.

If you want to make friends, being tolerant of people is a great place to start.

Master Fire




LadyNTrainer -> RE: protocol or protoclone??? (6/16/2010 1:43:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bettamorphasis
just wondering if anyone else feels this way about "protocol"
Seems even in this so called "alternative lifestyle" people are so insecure about themselves ( dom/sub both guilty) they need their lil security blanket/pacifier called "protocol"  .I would have thought being oneself is the least soul destroying way to be/live but apparently mainstream indoctrination  influences even this lifestyle


People do what works for them.  Sometimes it turns me on to have one of my boys dressed up sexy and serving me dinner with formal manners, then eating his own portion from a plate on the floor.  You could call that high protocol, though since it's not convenient or practical for us to do this all the time, it's not a standard rule for us.  What is a standard rule for us is that I begin eating first, and they remain attentive to me until I signal that they may begin.  This is what works for us, but it's not necessarily what is right for everybody.  There is nothing wrong with people in a relationship doing what works and feels good for them, but there is a whole lot of stupid that can come into play if you try to assume that what works for you has to work the same way for everyone else.

Protocol within the boundaries of a relationship can strengthen personal bonds and be something that makes both people feel good about themselves and their D/s relationship.  There is no one single right way to set up your personal protocol, but it is suggested that you let it evolve naturally out of the behaviors that work in the context of your day to day life and make both the dominant and submissive feel appreciated and valued for who they are in the relationship.  If you set up a bunch of arbitrary rules to memorize, it can be a tough haul, and some of them might not really work as planned, or make either of you feel as good as it looks on paper.  A good bit of protocol is one that has personal, emotional meaning to one or both of the people in the relationship.

The issue with protocol is that like any other D/s behavior, it has to be between consenting people.  It's pretty unrealistic to expect strangers to participate actively in your kink, so about the only social protocol that actually works when dealing with other folks in the BDSM community is normal adult courtesy.  For everything else, you should expect to ask and get consent first.  Showing up at an event and expecting everyone to do things the exact same way you do, or worse, expecting strangers to participate in your personal protocol, probably isn't gonna work so well.




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