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RE: Massive Tool Alert - 6/18/2010 7:39:07 AM   
Aneirin


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I watched part of the grilling of Heywood, and all I could think was if that was an example of congress in action, the gods help America or better still Americans realise what they have and sling em out on their asses, for they were complete twats they make our political twats look  intellectual.

I mean, questions requiring yes/no answers, questions they had made up themselves without knowing the full facts, and sarcasm, is that how congress should work. It was very clear to me congress had made up their minds already and all they were there to do was belittle and insult.

Now Heywood I have no great like for, for he has made his position clear regarding the little people, but all he is, is a CEO, just like any other CEO of any company big or small, and although he is the ultimate head of the company, he is not party to all the minutae of the massive multicountry company he heads, he has minions for that, just like the hierachy of any company, so why is it congress assumed he should know everything and of congress are any of them CEO's and do they know all the minutae of the companies they head.

Just as Heywood said in his grilling by congress, US officials knew about everything that happened on that rig, US officials knew the problems and the dangers, but the question has to be asked was their complacency based upon past knowledge of other oil seaking expeditions, in that problems have occured, but nothing went pear shaped, so they were used to that kind of information and decided with the DeepWater Horizon this was yet another situation that will pass without shit happening, and at the end of the day, we need oil, so the risk is worth it.

As to Obama he is clueless, he has spent the past weeks since the disaster floundering, looking for someone to blame and his recent verbal attack on BP, calling it British Petroleum has caused the point to be raised that in using a defunct company name of the past, was he aiming his attack at the British. If he was, it has been noted by many, and there are many who are falling out of love for Obama and question the special relationship we have with America because of his poor judgement and what is basically a man on the edge clueless and useless seeking to make soundbites to direct attention away from himself.

But the rig itself, I understand it is not all BP, for many other US companies were involved with the operation, the blow out preventers made by Haliburton I understand, the rig itself was hired for the job, what about the staff, the engineers and so forth, who were their employers, and who did they respond to, as it has been reported people on the rig were clueless who was in control.

Now this operation ended up in a disaster, but what if it had gone like so many other so called successful operations, you know, operations where there were similar or different concerns where the risk was taken and it pulled off, what if things had gone ok, BP would be in a very different light, perhaps even branded heros for enabling the recovery of much needed oil on US territory, but in this case, shit happened, the gamble did not work and we have a disaster to deal with, a disaster that could very well have happened before if luck was not on the side of some operations.

But in the light of this US pillorying of BP, the Indians are getting worked up over the Bhopal disaster, a disaster that is still affecting the population years later with birth defects and continuing ill health in the region, all that attributed to Union Carbide. A Dow company which is American and a company that did not clean up it's mess and even knew the plant was unsafe, but hey, it's in another country, what do we care as long as the money is coming in. As it is, there is an arrest warrant out for the then CEO of Union Carbide, but the Indian authorities are blocked by the econopolitical people in the US, they will not extradite the person to face criminal charges for a disaster which continues to wreck lives in India. If the US seeks to post charges on Heywood and BP, then it should also comply with the wishes of the Indian authorities for a US company chemical disaster too.

Or could it be that the US is allowed to mess up others lives and enviroment in other parts of the world, but dare anyone do it to the US ?


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RE: Massive Tool Alert - 6/18/2010 7:59:19 AM   
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BP is an American company, or at least a lot closer to being one than it is to being British for the last twenty years. I find the fact that Americans are ignoring that in favour of Heywood's REP accent very funny indeed.

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RE: Massive Tool Alert - 6/18/2010 8:03:44 AM   
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Mods should ban trolls.


That's not the Collarme way. It's much easier to let the trolls trash the threads and turn them into flamewars, and then come in and warn people to knock it off. Requires a lot less thought.


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RE: Massive Tool Alert - 6/18/2010 8:05:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

But in the light of this US pillorying of BP, the Indians are getting worked up over the Bhopal disaster, a disaster that is still affecting the population years later with birth defects and continuing ill health in the region, all that attributed to Union Carbide. A Dow company which is American and a company that did not clean up it's mess and even knew the plant was unsafe, but hey, it's in another country, what do we care as long as the money is coming in. As it is, there is an arrest warrant out for the then CEO of Union Carbide, but the Indian authorities are blocked by the econopolitical people in the US, they will not extradite the person to face criminal charges for a disaster which continues to wreck lives in India. If the US seeks to post charges on Heywood and BP, then it should also comply with the wishes of the Indian authorities for a US company chemical disaster too.

Or could it be that the US is allowed to mess up others lives and enviroment in other parts of the world, but dare anyone do it to the US ?


Exactly. I've been looking forward to seeing how the Obama people dance around that one when it comes to that point.


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RE: Massive Tool Alert - 6/18/2010 8:26:57 AM   
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No, you are missing the point. The problem was not that Clinton started those mortgages (if he did), there are always risky mortgages, which is fine....some investors will be willing to take the risk for the increased profits....the existence/creation of the mortgages was not a problem, or a cause in any way, of the credit crisis, the problem was them being missold as non-risky mortgages.



The problem was indeed that Carter started those risky mortages and Clinton expanded them, which was not fine...to make their books look better Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac eventually bundled them with non-risky mortages to hide them and sold them off...which eventually resulted in the credit crisis...the problem indeed was those initial risky mortages...based upon which former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson received $10+/- MILLION in recompense and his replacement Franklin Raines received unsecured loans for at least two $MILLION homes from CountryWide.

You either can't see or refuse to connect the dots.

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RE: Massive Tool Alert - 6/18/2010 8:47:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

BP is an American company, or at least a lot closer to being one than it is to being British for the last twenty years. I find the fact that Americans are ignoring that in favour of Heywood's REP accent very funny indeed.


I know, and that I do find funny, the company some Americans wish to trash employs more in the US than it does in the UK. Fine trash the company, force them to sell their assets, but it will be American employees that feel the most damage, those employed by BP and all the subcontractor companies that parasite off BP's operations. I believe of BP's workforce a little over two thirds of them are American and most of the assets are on American soil.

Or is it all about the name, BP, or British Petroleum as Obama has recently reminded us and not Amoco formerly Standard Oil of Indiana who BP merged with. BP is well entrenched into the US market and not a foreign polluter as some people seem to think they are, they are truly more American than British.


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RE: Massive Tool Alert - 6/18/2010 9:51:53 AM   
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Well, it hasn't actually been British Petroleum since Amoco bought it out, twenty years back. They dumped the name and stuck to the acronym after that. maybe somebody should have told Cosby that, so he looks less of a tit over this.

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RE: Massive Tool Alert - 6/18/2010 6:22:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

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No, you are missing the point. The problem was not that Clinton started those mortgages (if he did), there are always risky mortgages, which is fine....some investors will be willing to take the risk for the increased profits....the existence/creation of the mortgages was not a problem, or a cause in any way, of the credit crisis, the problem was them being missold as non-risky mortgages.



The problem was indeed that Carter started those risky mortages and Clinton expanded them, which was not fine...to make their books look better Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac eventually bundled them with non-risky mortages to hide them and sold them off...which eventually resulted in the credit crisis...the problem indeed was those initial risky mortages...based upon which former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson received $10+/- MILLION in recompense and his replacement Franklin Raines received unsecured loans for at least two $MILLION homes from CountryWide.


You were aware that the president (neither republicrat nor demopub) is the person who signs off on a mortgage. That is a loan officer in a bank.
If someone were to tell you that gargling with barb wire was a good idea do you not become the responsible party when you actually do it?
Were you aware that it is congress who makes law not the president?
If you just want to bash a demopub president then why not start a thread with that as the topic but this puerile partisan assault on a non starter is jejune at best and assinine in the extreem.


You either can't see or refuse to connect the dots.
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RE: Massive Tool Alert - 6/19/2010 11:46:09 AM   
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Welcome back cuckyman!


That was my guess too. 


nope dont think so,
no mention of pukes and or gators,

Edited
I felt bad that so many would be guessing



RealOne has gone awol.

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RE: Massive Tool Alert - 6/19/2010 4:59:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Welcome back cuckyman!


That was my guess too. 


nope dont think so,
no mention of pukes and or gators,

Edited
I felt bad that so many would be guessing



RealOne has gone awol.



He is just ua I think it takes 30 days to be awol.

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RE: Massive Tool Alert - 6/19/2010 5:04:47 PM   
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sssssssssssshhhhhhhh be vewy vewy qwuiet

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