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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/18/2010 3:36:23 PM   
rulemylife


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The stock market loses 100 points under Bush and it's , ..."plummetting."
The stock market loses 1,000 points under Obama and it's,... "seeking direction."
Unemployment is 4.6 percent under Bush and it's "a reccession."
Unemployment is 9.6 percent under Obama and it's, "steady employment" or,......."the new "normal!"
Democrat women candidates win election and it's, "a victory for feminism."
Republican women candidates win election and it's, "a blow to feminism."
Obama snoozes oil oozes.
I didn't like Bush and I don't like Obama.
In the future I don't think we should look to Academia for anything.
I keep remembering that book, "The Peter Principle".


I keep remembering how you tell us you are a moderate Independent.

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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/18/2010 3:42:14 PM   
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And hey, when is Gitmo closing again?

Damn good question.

Never?

Firm


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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/18/2010 3:57:19 PM   
DomKen


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Does the First Lady really need 22 assistants where Laura Bush got by with one?

Never believe random emails.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp
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Does the Speaker really merit her own dedicated aircraft (B757) and does she merit salutes from the crew?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/jet.asp

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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/18/2010 4:41:02 PM   
rulemylife


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: subbisherri

And hey, when is Gitmo closing again?

Damn good question.

Never?

Firm



Oh, you have to love it.

Someone makes a completely nonsensical post with no basis in fact and here comes Firm to champion the one sentence of the post that had some loose basis in accuracy.

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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/18/2010 5:43:41 PM   
subbisherri


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Status: offline 		Oh nuts, that's what I get for believing in the Canadian Broadcasting Company government-owned news, guess I deserve a spanking for that one!

No rebuttal to the teleprompter crack, though? And still waiting for Gitmo to shut down, but you can keep Omar Khadr if you don't mind.

Regardless, I can't help but think you replaced one less-than-stellar President with another, and with Sarah Palin still being in contention, am awaiting the second coming of Dan Quayle. Seriously, in a country with a history of so many great thinkers, is this the best you can do?

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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/18/2010 5:47:22 PM   
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Its too soon to judge Obama, because there is time to avert the damage his policies will cause. If they stand, then he will go down as the POTUS that destroyed everything that made the US great. Bush's most important actions were in the foreign policy/terrorism area, and Obama has done very little different, thus affirming that Bush was right all along.


Hmmmm!

So the near-collapse of the economy presided over by Bush was one of the things that made the U.S. great?




If you had a clue about economics youd learn to get off this rant. Youve been sliced and diced over it often enough.

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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 8:12:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: subbisherri

And hey, when is Gitmo closing again?

Damn good question.

Never?


Oh, you have to love it.

Someone makes a completely nonsensical post with no basis in fact and here comes Firm to champion the one sentence of the post that had some loose basis in accuracy.

hmmm. 

Sooo .... you are dissing me for being accurate, or being able to pick up on accuracy? 

Damn.  That puts all your other personal insults to me in a new light ....

Firm

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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 8:21:52 AM   
rulemylife


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Hmmmm!

So the near-collapse of the economy presided over by Bush was one of the things that made the U.S. great?




If you had a clue about economics youd learn to get off this rant. Youve been sliced and diced over it often enough.


Ohhhhh, Willbeurrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

I see we're back to your usual responses that lack any semblance of an argument.

But hey, here I am if want to slice and dice me some more.

The fact is the economic crisis began under the Bush administration.

However you want to rationalize it does not change that fact.

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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 8:25:11 AM   
rulemylife


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


Oh, you have to love it.

Someone makes a completely nonsensical post with no basis in fact and here comes Firm to champion the one sentence of the post that had some loose basis in accuracy.


hmmm. 

Sooo .... you are dissing me for being accurate, or being able to pick up on accuracy? 

Damn.  That puts all your other personal insults to me in a new light ....

Firm


A loose basis in accuracy does not define being accurate.

Do we really need to rehash the Guantanamo discussions?





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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 12:10:42 PM   
FirmhandKY


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A loose basis in accuracy does not define being accurate.

Do we really need to rehash the Guantanamo discussions?

What's not accurate?  And when have we ever "hashed" the Gitmo discussion?

My understanding was that Gitmo would be close within 12 months.  How many months has it been?

You want to say that it's "too difficult"?  What does that say about the leadership and experience level someone who promises that it will be done?

Or was he just lying to get elected?

Neither option reflects too favorably, I don't think.

Firm


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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 3:54:11 PM   
Brain


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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 3:57:53 PM   
Brain


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Brain, aren't you Canadian? You don't have a dog in this fight.


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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 3:59:20 PM   
Brain


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what is everybody really expecting from Obama?


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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 4:02:23 PM   
Brain


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

The stock market loses 100 points under Bush and it's , ..."plummetting."
The stock market loses 1,000 points under Obama and it's,... "seeking direction."
Unemployment is 4.6 percent under Bush and it's "a reccession."
Unemployment is 9.6 percent under Obama and it's, "steady employment" or,......."the new "normal!"
Democrat women candidates win election and it's, "a victory for feminism."
Republican women candidates win election and it's, "a blow to feminism."
Obama snoozes oil oozes.
I didn't like Bush and I don't like Obama.
In the future I don't think we should look to Academia for anything.
I keep remembering that book, "The Peter Principle".


I keep remembering how you tell us you are a moderate Independent.



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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 4:06:24 PM   
Brain


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Its too soon to judge Obama, because there is time to avert the damage his policies will cause. If they stand, then he will go down as the POTUS that destroyed everything that made the US great. Bush's most important actions were in the foreign policy/terrorism area, and Obama has done very little different, thus affirming that Bush was right all along.


Hmmmm!

So the near-collapse of the economy presided over by Bush was one of the things that made the U.S. great?




If you had a clue about economics youd learn to get off this rant. Youve been sliced and diced over it often enough.


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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 4:29:49 PM   
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This question derails threads too much. So let's address it head on.

1. Who do you believe is a better President - George W. Bush or Barack Obama?

2. What criteria do you use to determine what makes a good President?

3. What specific examples do you have to demonstrate that one person meets those criteria while the other does not?

4. Do you think that either Bush or Obama is an excellent President?

5. Do you think that either Bush or Obama is a horrible President?


1.  neither 

2.  honesty, intregrity, follows the rule of law, has values, good organizer, good communicator, sees the job as a service s/he owes to the nation, interested in obtaining all the details, doesnt make backroom deals, keeps 100% of promises

3.   I dont think any politicians that can do it

4.   neither

5.  no   they are about average



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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 4:31:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

This question derails threads too much. So let's address it head on.

1. Who do you believe is a better President - George W. Bush or Barack Obama?

2. What criteria do you use to determine what makes a good President?

3. What specific examples do you have to demonstrate that one person meets those criteria while the other does not?

4. Do you think that either Bush or Obama is an excellent President?

5. Do you think that either Bush or Obama is a horrible President?


1.  neither 

2.  honesty, intregrity, follows the rule of law, has values, good organizer, good communicator, sees the job as a service s/he owes to the nation, interested in obtaining all the details, doesnt make backroom deals, keeps 100% of promises

3.   I dont think any politicians that can do it

4.   neither

5.  no   they are about average



Ya gotta love Ken.

Bush was God awful.

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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 5:54:51 PM   
KenDckey


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Status: offline 		I do think we should go back to the days when an ELECTED/APPOINTED (as opposed to hired employees) public servant didn't get paid for his service.  I think we would get a better quality of leadership that way.  They would be more motivated to do a good job.    just one man's opinion

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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/19/2010 8:58:30 PM   
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I do think we should go back to the days when an ELECTED/APPOINTED (as opposed to hired employees) public servant didn't get paid for his service.  I think we would get a better quality of leadership that way.  They would be more motivated to do a good job.    just one man's opinion


Surprisingly that time would be never.
Article 1 Section 6 of the US Constitution
The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States

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RE: Who is better - Obama or Bush? - 6/20/2010 3:55:12 AM   
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