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Men who are dominant over me have no need to give me orders.
I've known several men over the years who could totally relaxed sit kneeling at my feet butt naked with me in full Dominatrix fetish gear and ask me is a calm, soft voice "would you please be so kind to go get me a cup of coffee" or even "I'm going to get a cup of coffee, would you like one too?" and yet AT THE SAME TIME still be totally, absolutely, without a hint of a doubt be unconditionally dominant towards me, and inspire my submission in way you cannot even imagine.

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{a dag is slang for someone who can be silly or make you roll your eyes at them in an "omg what the hell are they doing now kind of way"}

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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Men who are dominant over me have no need to give me orders.
I've known several men over the years who could totally relaxed sit kneeling at my feet butt naked with me in full Dominatrix fetish gear and ask me is a calm, soft voice "would you please be so kind to go get me a cup of coffee" or even "I'm going to get a cup of coffee, would you like one too?" and yet AT THE SAME TIME still be totally, absolutely, without a hint of a doubt be unconditionally dominant towards me, and inspire my submission in way you cannot even imagine.

I think you romanticize this a bit.

To me it seems that you imagine him as having some sort of telepathic energy or ability to dominate you just with his willpower without even saying anything. Maybe some people have that kind of charisma, but you are exaggerating a little.

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Such a ritual of kneeling before your sub while you DEMAND that she sit and accept it is meaningful to you only.
What is meaningful for you is NOT meaningful for her and quite frankly you expecting to dictate the way she views or feels about it is frankly so far outside RL interactions that it just boggles the mind.
You do not demand even a sub to feel love from a ceremony that has no meaning or value to her.
Honestly you may as well be brushing your teeth rather than kneeling on the floor because they would mean the same thing to the sub.
You may force her body to sit calmly enough, and quietly enough while you go through the motions but it's going to mean fuck all to her.

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Wikipedia?  ANYONE can write it.  I could go change that right this second to say that ALL Societies are matriarchal.  There is nothing on Wikipedia that you should take for fact.  I always take it as a general idea and if I want to know with out a doubt - I go some where else.  As my college professor once said Wikipedia is NOT a source.

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ORIGINAL: wandersalone

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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Men who are dominant over me have no need to give me orders.
I've known several men over the years who could totally relaxed sit kneeling at my feet butt naked with me in full Dominatrix fetish gear and ask me is a calm, soft voice "would you please be so kind to go get me a cup of coffee" or even "I'm going to get a cup of coffee, would you like one too?" and yet AT THE SAME TIME still be totally, absolutely, without a hint of a doubt be unconditionally dominant towards me, and inspire my submission in way you cannot even imagine.

I think you romanticize this a bit.

To me it seems that you imagine him as having some sort of telepathic energy or ability to dominate you just with his willpower without even saying anything. Maybe some people have that kind of charisma, but you are exaggerating a little.

Do you not see any irony in your words here?  You are telling a woman who has served as a real life slave that she is exaggerating.  Of the two of you I know which person I would believe

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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Men who are dominant over me have no need to give me orders.
I've known several men over the years who could totally relaxed sit kneeling at my feet butt naked with me in full Dominatrix fetish gear and ask me is a calm, soft voice "would you please be so kind to go get me a cup of coffee" or even "I'm going to get a cup of coffee, would you like one too?" and yet AT THE SAME TIME still be totally, absolutely, without a hint of a doubt be unconditionally dominant towards me, and inspire my submission in way you cannot even imagine.

I think you romanticize this a bit.

To me it seems that you imagine him as having some sort of telepathic energy or ability to dominate you just with his willpower without even saying anything. Maybe some people have that kind of charisma, but you are exaggerating a little.

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

I'd like to ask why are people so quick to become confrontational to me.

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At no point in time was he not in complete control of the situation and at no point in time was there ANY doubt in anybodies mind about this.
The fact that he was in a pose of absolute submission, in public, performing what is generally considered to be a submissive act changed NOTHING about the fact the HE was the one in control.
She, nor I, nor he doubted that for even a second.

The situation I mentioned in my earlier post is unlikely to ever happen, but should it ever happen, I would likewise have NO doubt whatsoever about who is in control and who is not.

You are STILL making D/s about actions, instead of about interactions, reactions and control.

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Actually, such a gesture isn't that weird at all.

All the traditional societies were patriarchal. So men were heads of the household and men made decisions.

However - there were lots of rules of chivalry and by abiding to those rules men showed their respect and devotion to their ladies.
Even today, the man falls to his knees when proposing a woman.
In the past it was common for men to kiss hands of women, etc...

And all of that was possible in strictly patriarchal society.

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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At no point in time was he not in complete control of the situation and at no point in time was there ANY doubt in anybodies mind about this.
The fact that he was in a pose of absolute submission, in public, performing what is generally considered to be a submissive act changed NOTHING about the fact the HE was the one in control.
She, nor I, nor he doubted that for even a second.

The situation I mentioned in my earlier post is unlikely to ever happen, but should it ever happen, I would likewise have NO doubt whatsoever about who is in control and who is not.

You are STILL making D/s about actions, instead of about interactions, reactions and control.

No, I don't think it is about acts and actions and poses, and even in the OP, I clearly emphasized that even if I knelt before here, I would be in control.
The point of the thread was that I felt that some subs would find it weird, or even distressing to see their Masters on their knees, EVEN IF HE WAS IN FULL CONTROL ALL THE TIME.

Maybe I am wrong about that assumption, which is based on this woman that stated this on the forum, and she also claimed to be in long term M/s relationship, so she is not like me inexperienced - if she is lying , I am lying too.

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This is a basic concept which is also the Victorian Lifestyle. So old son, these gestures like kissing a Lady's Hand, holding accharir for her, standing when she enters the room, tipping the hat on frst meeting and so on are all part of what we do and is natural for us (I was brought up in this). It is good manners, it is chivalry, it is what a gentleman does without thinking.

Soo old lad I would not hesitate to kneel and pay my respects to a slave who had earned it by going above and beyond her duty.  It would be without expectation and if the slave didn't handle it well I would understand that this was so far from what she may expect it may have shaken her. She would survive this shock. LOL

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Explaining real life human interactions to him is as productive as explaining Quantum Physics to a cow. (at least we would get milk out of the cow once we were done explaining).

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Maybe I am wrong about that assumption, which is based on this woman that stated this on the forum, and she also claimed to be in long term M/s relationship, so she is not like me inexperienced - if she is lying , I am lying too.