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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 7:11:55 AM

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Then there are times I kneel before them like last Saturday at a Play party in front of Kyra. She was in tears from the moment... *grin* and I assure you it was because of what I was doing which doesn't including the kneeling part!

LOL Tears weren't the only thing running either.... blood and tears a very nice combination for a sadist

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 7:13:09 AM

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I am totally missing this reference, Ron. Why does a John Deere need a fuse? I thought fuses were for electricity.

And HEY! I've been around a bit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqnDkqCJQVo

(Yeah, I could have put up the Joe Diffie song or Kenny Chesney and such, but I felt like some Montgomery Gentry tonight).

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 7:14:40 AM

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As I commented in my earlier post which SocNot actually agreed with in his own transcendental manner. For me it us natural to hold a chair out for a lady to be seated, open doors, offer to carry a parcel, strand when a Lady enters a room, tipping my hat when first meeting a Lady and even kissing a Lady's hand. This is how I was brought up and it what I do. Should I choose to kneel before a submissive, sub or slave or any gender and those not yet discovered, because I choose to honour them for something they have done above and beyond the call of duty I jolly shall do so and be damned to those who with to call my dominance into doubt. I can face myself every morning in the mirror, I can live with me comfortably and I am confident in myself including my dominance. What I do I expect nothing in return although for many of the things I listed I do regularly get abused as being a chauvinistic male pig by some modern women with no class nor sense of manners or even understanding that I am paying them a compliment.

Now should I desire to kneel before a seated female slave and rest my weary head upon her (preferably naked) thighs that is my choice of a delectable pillow. If perchance I shopuld choose to kneel before said seated slave and enjoy some hummmm harrr sluping... again my choice and my right. This being said, kneeling is jolly painful and she better be ready to haul my to my feet, get me to a chair then race off and grab my morphine whilst I mutter strange mostly unintelligible comments in four letter words of a Saxon., Anglo-Saxon or Australian dialects until she returns. If said slave lost respect for me for being on my knees before her then she is collared to the wrong person and would be encouraged to find another more to her liking poste haste

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 7:14:47 AM

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Testing....testing.....is thing even on?

i will say one thing to Syrox's post earlier about SocratesNot starting endless threads:

Yes, the overall volume of posting to the boards and traffic has increased, but the amount of threadjacking has gone up exponentially as well. Frustrating on multiple levels.

To quote Jefffff:

i shall not miss this post when it is gone!

Many times the JD drones out your posts. It's unfortunate.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 7:18:11 AM

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I am totally missing this reference, Ron. Why does a John Deere need a fuse? I thought fuses were for electricity.

And HEY! I've been around a bit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqnDkqCJQVo

(Yeah, I could have put up the Joe Diffie song or Kenny Chesney and such, but I felt like some Montgomery Gentry tonight).

Most machinery require fuses or at least one fuse lass and in my understanding from early days on farms John Deer is a tractor.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 7:22:03 AM

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Many times the JD drones out your posts. It's unfortunate.

Would a klaxon do the same thing? Imagine if we actually could somehow set up a siren to warn us when a poster we maybe prefer not to read has posted..... and yes I totally realise that my posts would be klaxoned by many and I am ok with this

....and yes I also know that the block button serves the same purpose but damn a klaxon would be tres coolamundo non?

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 7:22:58 AM

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Keep on topic peeples(yeah so the meerkat influenced me slightly).

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 7:23:57 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ekKfNuTfE&feature=related

you're outta here, clown.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 7:37:30 AM

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I think I'd probably fairly quickly engineer it so that I was kneeling, instead of him. Because if my reaction to this man is to place him in a position of power above me...that's my response automatically towards him..to kneel. Him kneeling in front of me? Not so much.

But, like a few posters have mentioned, there can be reasons for one's dominant to kneel before them - traditionally proposing marriage, helping to tie a shoe/boot (corsets don't tend to bend a lot lol - I've had to have help once in a while, as I recall, if I forgot to put my shoes/boots on beforehand...), inspecting a cut/bruise on my leg/foot, whatever...things like that. It's all in his mannerisms and why he's down there. As long as I don't get the feeling that he's getting switchy on me or anything else affecting my sense of balance in our power dynamic, I could pretty much care less what he's doing. That's the whole point - his confidence, his desire to be where he is. I follow, not set the lead rules.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 7:52:13 AM

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Meh - my Sir could do whatever he wanted and he wasn't less dominant, and i wasn't upset about it. SN's original post was seriously sweet and romantic, and sounded a lot like our collaring ceremony - except for the lack of native american symbolism- and the fact that i was on my knees and he was standing over me.

hell, he could have been lying at my feet, naked, and i standing with stilletos and leather on, and i would still have been submissive to him. I'm not a dog - our submission/dominance doesn't change with height or body position. Its a lovely image and thought, and has little to do with our real lives.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 8:21:14 AM

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I wouldn't have any problem with it, but I'd think the part about being "forced to submit to it" would be weird. I recently knelt between my femsub playpartner's legs and used my knees as a spreader bar, or knelt while buckling her ankle cuffs, because it was the most comfortable way to reach her ankles. If he declared his love that way and meant it, I'd think it was really sweet, and a bit more formal/high protocol than I was accustomed to. If he didn't actually mean it, and was just going through the motions, I'd be ticked off.

Ok, the part about physics and philosophy has perfect timing, with today's XKCD.

When people philosophise about things they don't have any understanding or experience of, it tends to make people frustrated.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 8:30:09 AM

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Chuckles, The difference between you and i Socratesnot, i have actually LIVED what i speak of here and i only speak of MY experience and what i learned from that -- unlike you who are speaking from theory which we all know works so well and smoothly as theorized in actual life. You will find most of my posts about slavery are trying to get people away from THEORY and simply living same.

SocratesNot, so lets compare experience -- i have almost 8 years as a slave to a Man in my life not with computers, not over the phone but actually living my life day to day with such a Man -- what do you have? Listens closely what's that you have NONE? Oh okay.

My signature line is part of a whole statement -- one i have from experience -- The first part of that statement is -- He has confidence, i as a woman or slave, knows he possesses more than confidene. He possess power....

The other concept you have yet to recognize is why these Men know themselves well and understand this projection of power over people, they have no need to flaunt it, it simply is a part of who they are. You may never encounter such a man as stated above -- they aren't your average guy. Perhaps one day you will. Its an awesome situation if you do, and then you may finally get it. Until then -- enjoy your THEORIES.

angel

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 8:44:28 AM

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*shrugs* I actually do kneel to Carol. I've posted that before here. As far as I'm concerned, kneeling is a gesture of respect and I DO respect her. Sometimes I'm just so blown away by her awesomeness that a heartfelt gesture of kneeling seems about right. If kneeling is some negative thing, then why on god's green earth would I want/allow her to do it? This is just one of dozens of things I do which are not allowed in the lists rules slaves create that their masters must obey.

If such a trivial gesture were to somehow shake Carol's image of me as her master, then I would conclude she was never really mine to start with... not in any way that would be meaningful to me anyway. Honestly, I listen all the time to things on Collarme about how the various actions that slaves make their submission contingent on. I'm really glad that for Carol and I, our dynamic is not contingent on any action... it is a part of our core personalities. This saves us from needing dozens of rules about what I can and cannot do and still retain my masterly status. To wit on this thread, I'm pretty sure that sometime in the last few years I must've asked her permission for something or another... probably a few times actually. Then, of course, there are all the zillions of times I have asked her input on a decision and that input carried the day... perilously close to the dreaded asking of permission

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 8:51:18 AM

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Can't wait to see the finished dissertation. Academic theory and decisions made from hypothetical scenarios applied to BDSM lifestyle is as valuable a starting point for a relationship and can be expected to work as well as they have for the President.

We've always had pseudo-intellectuals outlining the rules for 'good' dominance and how you can see them exhibit 'ethical' behavior outside a D/s dynamic. What a coincidence when the 'ideal' or 'best' or in many cases the 'only', 'right' or 'true' way defines them! INCREDIBLE, with the standard; "I know I'm weird" self denigration disclaimer common and cute. From a marketing standpoint, shooting for the lowest common denominator of inexperience, eliminating all others you end up being the only 'fish' in the pond - no worries then about being the biggest or the best, truly size doesn't matter when there is nothing left to compare. Passing through morals and ethics, we find ourselves now lectured on positions. We have 'good dominant' indicating positions; kneeling as an indicator of 'good' and to be assumed 'ethical' dominance in the academic 'one true way' style.

Reflecting on our relationship, I recall myself kneeling, at least on one knee, relatively often with beth. Sometimes she's bound in such a way - it's the only way I can get the proper angle for the whip, crop, cane, or flogger to hit the place I'm aiming. Never knew it was a, as documented by the OP; " gesture I would like to exalt her for all that she is to me". Who knew????? I thought I was just being sadistic! Damn! It's amazing how by just going out and doing stuff you stumble across the 'one-true-way'!

Those that can - 'do'. This another good example of "those that can not do - teach."

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 8:53:03 AM

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Chuckles, The difference between you and i Socratesnot, i have actually LIVED what i speak of here and i only speak of MY experience and what i learned from that -- unlike you who are speaking from theory which we all know works so well and smoothly as theorized in actual life. You will find most of my posts about slavery are trying to get people away from THEORY and simply living same.

SocratesNot, so lets compare experience -- i have almost 8 years as a slave to a Man in my life not with computers, not over the phone but actually living my life day to day with such a Man -- what do you have? Listens closely what's that you have NONE? Oh okay.

My signature line is part of a whole statement -- one i have from experience -- The first part of that statement is -- He has confidence, i as a woman or slave, knows he possesses more than confidene. He possess power....

The other concept you have yet to recognize is why these Men know themselves well and understand this projection of power over people, they have no need to flaunt it, it simply is a part of who they are. You may never encounter such a man as stated above -- they aren't your average guy. Perhaps one day you will. Its an awesome situation if you do, and then you may finally get it. Until then -- enjoy your THEORIES.

angel

Practice formed a building block?

What?

Revise! Revise!

What about 'practice helped form the content of his character'?

I mean, maybe 'practice formed one of the building blocks of his character'. That would make more sense.

Now, in terms of what SocNot has, if he were more of a jerk than he is, he might respond, 'I have a variety of talents, including ridiculously good English-as-a-second-Language... and you lived with some guy for a number of years.'

But, alas, SoNo is too nice for that.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 9:02:03 AM

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There are two different concepts being discussed i believe -- 1 is where a Man takes the POSITION that a slave many times frequents -- i.e., kneeling, but unlike a slave he isn't doing so in a submissive concept and 2 ) the Man acting IN SUBMISSION to a slave due to some emotion which is why he is kneeling.

I think many women who are slaves would get squigged out if a Man allowed his love for her to place in him in the 2nd concept no matter how long it was for, wherein he wanted to SUBMIT TO HER or feel submissive towards her to somehow prove his love for her or respect etc. Why would he remotely think that is something a slave needs, wants or wants to be a part of? Most women who are slaves don't need a Man to prove his love through an act or portrayal of submission - many i believe from what i read many times want just the opposite. Many women who are slaves depend on the man being capable of NOT falling prey to submission because of an emotion.

The act in and of itself is nothing people kneel for various reasons in all relationships -- however, to me the OP indicates he would use LOVE as a reason he would want to change his position with her and submit to her as a way to show her his love. I honestly don't get it and yes it would squig me out if a Man i saw as Master decided to change the dynamics and allow LOVE to force him to his knees in a concept of submission to me for that love. What's more is if he demanded i accept same from him. Eww.

No way, no how. If i wanted a man to be submissive to me because of a concept of love or even respect or caring, i wouldn't seek a Master and i would be in complete control of my life. When a Man takes my autonomy and i live under such control, then he has the responsibility of not allowing emotions to control him to the point he feels submission TOWARDS me because of that emotion.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 9:11:37 AM

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... the Man acting IN SUBMISSION to a slave due to some emotion which is why he is kneeling...

... or doing anything else... including asking her input/permission/thoughts/whatever. What saves Carol and I from this entire debate is that we are the inevitable result of an alpha male and a doormat (God I love using that word) getting together. Neither of us can choose to be different than we are and so the pattern of our marriage is fixed. I can dress it up differently, but I cannot make it go away.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 9:46:21 AM

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There are two different concepts being discussed i believe -- 1 is where a Man takes the POSITION that a slave many times frequents -- i.e., kneeling, but unlike a slave he isn't doing so in a submissive concept and 2 ) the Man acting IN SUBMISSION to a slave due to some emotion which is why he is kneeling.

I think many women who are slaves would get squigged out if a Man allowed his love for her to place in him in the 2nd concept no matter how long it was for, wherein he wanted to SUBMIT TO HER or feel submissive towards her to somehow prove his love for her or respect etc.

i can't help but agree with what angel says (above). personally, i know i would be very "squigged out" if Master knelt before me in an expression of love and submission... baah, sorry, but i need Him to be strong and Dominant and express his love in other ways.... (post-pain "good-girls" and head-stroking comes to mind..

). i am cunning and manipulative and any sign of "switching" would be (albeit unintentionally) pounced upon by me, and it would be the beginning of the end. bugger.

having said that, i find the comments from IronBear and Jeff very very interesting and infinitely valid. They certainly have me thinking outside the box. hrmm. i guess, ultimately, it all comes down to context, and the moment. heh, but isn't that the case with most things??

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 10:00:14 AM

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...it all comes down to context, and the moment...

This exactly.

And for Carol and I, the context does not allow for any other outcome. Hell, I've TRIED to stop the dynamic entirely and failed. I've also tried to tone it down... get out of the absolute obedience mode that my definition of M/s requires... and again I failed. What I can do is dress it up. I can make it look all master/slave-ey if I wanted to... lots of kneeling and groveling and begging and whatnot. I can also make it look totally vanilla -- which is my personal preference. But no matter how it looks, if I set a direction, she will follow.

It's also worth pointing out that Carol could give a rat's ass whether I was "dominant"... at least in the way you mean it. She just wants to please me and she likes it that I'm clear about what pleases me. She also likes it that I am "capable" in the larger world which makes a place of safety for her. In short, she likes being married to a man who is demonstrably "alpha". For her, she wants a man who is socially dominant. From that, all else follows. She could care less about BDSM-dominance. This factor is why I'd be a bad partner for most any submissive here on collarme. They would be expecting BDSM-dominance and I just have no interest in delivering that. Chocolate & vanilla, neh?

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 10:11:28 AM

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Ishtarr... I love this...

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This past weekend my best friend and me went to Chicago to meet a couple of dominant men that we are now currently involved with.
These fine gentlemen took us out for a night on the town and of course we dressed to kill for them.
My friend, who isn't used to wearing high heels ended up being in considerable pain because of her footwear.
This resulted in a "scene" where she, her man and me were outside of the club smoking and him deciding to kneel at her feet on the sidewalk at 3am and massage her feet, with me standing over them both and her sitting down on a flowerbed-thingy.

At no point in time was he not in complete control of the situation and at no point in time was there ANY doubt in anybodies mind about this.
The fact that he was in a pose of absolute submission, in public, performing what is generally considered to be a submissive act changed NOTHING about the fact the HE was the one in control.
She, nor I, nor he doubted that for even a second.

This is a brilliant example. The dom in question seems clearly totally comfortable in his dominant role - in some senses the act of massaging his partner's feet was zen-like in its domliness (absolutely no irony intended).

You rock.

I agree that it's almost zen-like.
He's got a very different style than most, a style that doesn't really match that well with mine, but is perfect for my friend, who was very very vanilla before she met me.

He's to type of man that will open doors for a lady, even to the point that he will have her wait by the car door to open it for her before he goes around and gets in himself. He's a true gentleman, and will absolutely insist on being a gentleman.
She's not allowed to lite her own cigarettes for instance, he does this for her.

He does a lot of things that could generally be considered to be "acts of submission" but he does them because he wants to do them, so he's very much being in control.
My friend, being new to the whole scene does not know how she's supposed to think about how dominants are supposed to act (in Socrates' vision that subs feel uncomfortable with such things) so instead, she just reacts to him.
I'm sure that if I would suggest to her that she might be uncomfortable with his actions because they are obviously "acts of submission" she'd laugh in my face, because if you feel his energy when he's doing it.... there's no doubt in anybodies mind that he's far from being submissive, even when he bows and kisses her hand when greeting her...

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