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thornhappy -> BOP recent history and BP (6/21/2010 8:09:22 PM)

Hi folks--

There's a long article in the NYTimes about blowout preventers, the different BOP designs, history of BOP failures, and BP's practices.  It also goes into the problems in the regulation of the corporations by the MMS.  For those who think the Times is a liberal mouthpiece, the article's also critical of the Obama administration.

In the same issue there's an article about out-of-state work crews being turned back (sometimes after several weeks of training) because the governors demanded that the work go to locals.




Politesub53 -> RE: BOP recent history and BP (6/22/2010 1:37:03 AM)

Thanks for the link Thorn, it makes interesting reading.




LadyEllen -> RE: BOP recent history and BP (6/22/2010 2:42:03 AM)

Has Tyrone Benton appeared on TV over there yet? He was on a documentary about the incident last night here.

Apparently he was on the submersible team that found out that the BOP was broken. He reported it but management didnt bother to fix it but brought the back up system online and relied on that for some time before the rig exploded and sank.

In fact I wonder if any of the "interesting" interviews on last night's documentary have made it onto the news over there? We found out all kinds of stuff, about how the cementing wasnt done as the engineers would have done it (and how this meant gas leaks), how the 21 stabilisers recommended to keep the drill straight became 6, about how the senior guy in Transocean (might have been Halliburton) was overheard following the initial accident screaming down the phone at someone to ask "are you happy now? I told you this would happen", about how the workers on the rig were unhappy at the state of things and the procedures they were told to follow and those they were told to ignore.

E




Vendaval -> RE: BOP recent history and BP (6/22/2010 3:08:07 AM)

Thanks for the info, thorny. Lady E, do you have details on that documentary? The mental image of a man screaming out his frustration is just chilling. So much human error and stupid mistakes.

I have another one to share.


Renegade Refiner: OSHA Says BP Has “Systemic Safety Problem”
97% of Worst Industry Violations Found at BP Refineries
By Jim Morris and M.B. Pell | May 16, 2010

http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2085/




LadyEllen -> RE: BOP recent history and BP (6/22/2010 3:14:48 AM)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00sz12p/Panorama_BP_In_Deep_Water/ is the show from last night (30 minutes)

www.bbc.co.uk/panorama should take you to the site for the programme

E




flcouple2009 -> RE: BOP recent history and BP (6/22/2010 4:27:57 AM)

Lady E,

Yes all of these things have come through the news here.  Some of us are too concerned about making this Obama's fault while others are still overly caught up in the Cheney/Halliburton connection to pay any attention.

Halliburton recommended 21 stabilizers in the well, BP cut that to 6 to save time and money.  Did they mention that BP also skipped the test that is run to make sure the cement has set properly?  The Schlumberger crew was on the rig to run it.  But the BP guys decided to skip the test and sent the crew home.  There was also a recirculation of the mud that was skipped.

I do feel some sympathy for the CEO of BP.  He no more knows what is going on with every individual well at any point in time then the CEO of Ford does about every individual car that is on the line.




LadyEllen -> RE: BOP recent history and BP (6/22/2010 4:44:48 AM)

Thats interesting FlC - and yet even after the disclosure of all these testimonies, people still want to pin it on Obama? The only mistake he made as I see it, is to have trusted those advising him that it was fine to drill and the regulatory framework was not only robust but enforced and not to have discovered that those advising him may have had other motives than the good of the country in giving their advice. In the end of course, despite what some might say about that reliance, Obama is not an expert in this field (nor in many others), so he has to rely on such expert advice and the professed good faith of such advisors.

The CEO of BP - I feel sorry for him in only two respects; 1) that I am sure he was doing his best to put past working practices that led to regulatory and safety failures right, but as you say, he couldnt possibly have had the close familiarity with every situation required to ensure compliance and in any case its a worldwide endeavour likely impossible for any one person to keep on top of, 2) I am sure he never expected all this and was not recruited to handle all this - his PR department must be having nightmares every time he speaks by now. He strikes me as having been the guy who drew the short straw in what might otherwise have been a cushy little number as BP CEO, as it has been for many others before him.

In the end though the buck stops with him, just as it does with me if my company gets mixed up in some problem or other. Anyone who ever ran a group of companies with several locations will be able to tell you, you can make whatever policies you want, but in the end youre reliant on the guys on the ground and they can and will do what they like if it suits them, leaving you to carry the can; sure you can fire them, but its you that faces the firing squad .

E




flcouple2009 -> RE: BOP recent history and BP (6/22/2010 5:10:02 AM)

Lady E,

Of course it was no more Obama's fault than it is Cheney's fault even though some people would like to pin it on Halliburton and trace it back to him. 

In the end yes the CEO is the one it falls on.  That is part of the job.  But grilling him about choices that might have been made on the other side of the world at 2 in the morning isn't productive.  The question would be why is there an attitude in the company where the workers would think this type of decision making is OK.

Many people here have played the "British" part of this, ignoring the fact that it was the AMERICAN arm of the company making these decisions. 




LadyEllen -> RE: BOP recent history and BP (6/22/2010 5:32:52 AM)

Oh we've noticed the "British" thing FlC - really very odd all things considered.

Perhaps this is akin to the whole banking thing though? Organisations so vast that in reality they are not truly possible to control from one location by one person, requiring rather breaking up into smaller more manageable and controllable parts.

It did puzzle me why we havent seemed to see the head of the US side of BP subjected to the sort of treatment TH has had. Yes the buck stops with him, but it would seem to me that the nexus for the decision making process and the answering of questions on it, as well as the resolution of the whole sorry mess would be more proximate and local than London.

E




flcouple2009 -> RE: BOP recent history and BP (6/22/2010 7:44:55 AM)

Lady E,

That is a mystery to me as well.  Why was Haywood getting the grilling and trying to answer these questions instead of those from the Us Corporate office in Houston.  Since they were the ones either in charge of the decisions or the people making them wouldn't it have been more effective to ask them why they cut those corners?




Moonhead -> RE: BOP recent history and BP (6/22/2010 7:52:14 AM)

I'd suspect that, as you say, it's down to the fact that Haywood is the grand poohbah of the whole company, and has a nice REP accent, so the American media are a lot happier dragging him through the shit than they would be giving the same going over to some cheapskate good ol' boy from Texas who's actually responsible for the problem in the first place.




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