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The Arizona law basically mirrors the federal imigration laws. I can't see what the up roar is all about. If I get stopped for a traffic offence I get asked for identification. Why shouldn't everyone else ?

Your driver's license is not proof of citizenship. The Arizona law requires that you prove citizenship which requires a passport or birth certificate.

If you bothered to read the text of the law it specifically says that a valid drivers license will be considered proof of citizenship under that law.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

That's so weird. I wonder if they revised it because when I read it it said this:

http://www.azleg.gov/alispdfs/council/SB1070-HB2162.PDF

A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN
37 ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON
38 PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
39 1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
40 2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
41 3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL
42 IDENTIFICATION.
43 4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED
44 STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL
45 GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

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looks like it got changed from the version I had bookmarked. However it is even worse now. It allows the arrest of any tourist as an illegal alien, since they likely won't have a qualifiying ID, which is a gross violation of the 14th amendment.

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looks like it got changed from the version I had bookmarked. However it is even worse now. It allows the arrest of any tourist as an illegal alien, since they likely won't have a qualifiying ID, which is a gross violation of the 14th amendment.

That's why tourists generally carry their passport with valid visa in it.

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When I travel inside the US I don't. Don't know about other US citizens traveling inside the US.

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When I travel inside the US I don't. Don't know about other US citizens traveling inside the US.

A licence or ID from your home state will suffice if you are a US citizen.

43 4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED
44 STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL
45 GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

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When I travel inside the US I don't. Don't know about other US citizens traveling inside the US.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
When I travel inside the US I don't. Don't know about other US citizens traveling inside the US.

The initial document required is a Caucasian face, if you have this then in all likeliness no other documents will be required.

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Somebody's breaking the law, Ken: these sorts wouldn't be in your country in the first place if nobody was employing them, would they?

Moon, they wouldn't be here in the first place if our Federal government had been doing it's job for the last twenty years or so.
We're *paying* them to do a job and they're not doing it! All we get is excuses!

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The Arizona law basically mirrors the federal imigration laws. I can't see what the up roar is all about. If I get stopped for a traffic offence I get asked for identification. Why shouldn't everyone else ?

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I still dont understand why the ACLU hasnt bothered the other polictical entities, just AZ

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
When I travel inside the US I don't. Don't know about other US citizens traveling inside the US.

A licence or ID from your home state will suffice if you are a US citizen.

43 4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED
44 STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL
45 GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

The point is some states do not require such proof before issuing DL's. Alaska, Connecticut, Idaho, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Washington and West Virginia will issue DL's to illegal aliens. Therefore anyoen from those states would need a passport or someother document. Which violates the 14th.

In four of the five remaining states that allow illegal immigrants to drive — Hawaii, Maine, New Mexico, Utah and Washington — there have been attempts to reverse course, according to the National Immigration Law Center (NILC). The exception: Hawaii.

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I think it's to do with the fact it would encourage racial profiling. i.e. who do you decide to stop in the street to detect the crime and enforce the law?

As Dennis Miller says in the terrorism context, it isnt racial profiling, its being minimally observant. In a world of limited resources, if you don't focus your efforts, you're doomed to fail.

Ah yes, you can never go wrong quoting one of the great philosophers of our time.

Philosopher? maybe to you. Funniest political humorist around? Absolutely. If Jon Stewart had 1/4 of DMs wit he might even have an audience thats progressed beyond the 3rd grade.

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Dennis is now languishing on radio somewhere dreaming of returning to tv and once again being relevant.

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As Dennis Miller says in the terrorism context, it isnt racial profiling, its being minimally observant. In a world of limited resources, if you don't focus your efforts, you're doomed to fail.

I kind of agree with that. I mean if a cop pulled someone over, and the driver was slurring and stuttering and laughing, the cop would probably administer a sobriety test, even if they didn't smell alcohol or pot. So if a cop pulls someone over and they speak fractured English with a thick Mexican accent, the cop would probably think to question citizenship. It's reasonable suspicion.

Really though there needs to be a centralized database accessible from police cars where entering a passport number can bring up a name, photo, and visa status. That's the only way something like that would work, same with field sobriety tests. The problem with this law is not the concept but the implementation.