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FeistyRed -> Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/23/2010 2:21:41 PM)

* EDIT: This is just asking for more ideas. He has also asked me to find some ideas that I like in this, or think would be beneficial, but am having no such luck. His is not to offend him as my mentor, this is my search for ideas to give to him.



Recently, I have been taken up by a mentor of sorts [as I specified that I know I am not ready for a full time d/s relationship... That I would like to extend with it and explore, learn more about myself and my place in it]. This mentor lives no more then a two hour drive from my home, but I am currently on vacation for a month and not even able to make the drive to meet him. In all honesty, this is going a bit further then a normal mentor, but I must express that am unowned.

Through webcam, ims and emails, we are making it work. Rules have been set down, but were not sure how many more we can get while there is this distance between us.

Rules:

1) Vitamins everyday. Video tapes and sent to him by 12:00 pm every afternoon. (I'm a severe anemic and have vitamin deficiencies, so this is important.)
2) No cursing.
3) Nine o' clock curfew on week days, eleven on weekends.
4) One o' clock bed time every night. May be extended to two, tops, if I have been good. Hours taken away if not.
5) Ask to climax. Currently only allowed to climax between ten and eleven o' clock at night. Practicing orgasm denial throughout the day (forced to play through the day at random times).

So far those are the only rules that are set in place. We are both searching for more to share ideas, but are unable to find too many specifics.

Where punishments are concerned, Sir uses corner time (sadly very effective on me), earlier bed times and orgasm denial (currently on a 48 hour 'sentence'). What more can we add to this?

The last part is how to we honestly make play interesting? As I said, orgasm denial has become part of it. As well, we have been talking of myself wearing a plug or dildo inside for extended amounts of time. How else can dominance be expressed over a distance?

Thank you in advance for your feedback and answers.




dreamerdreaming -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/23/2010 2:35:09 PM)

What exactly are you hoping to accomplish, with this relationship? Are the rules, and punishments helping you get what you want out of it? What (or what else) do you think would? What floats your boat? Not everyone needs or desires a punishment/reward dynamic, for example.

And how is a guy who's out of ideas in like, five seconds- and is too lazy, disinterested, busy, or whatever else- to ask questions here himself... How is someone like that supposed to be an effective mentor? You can't get blood from a stone.




FeistyRed -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/23/2010 2:40:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

What exactly are you hoping to accomplish, with this relationship? Are the rules, and punishments helping you get what you want out of it? What (or what else) do you think would? What floats your boat? Not everyone needs or desires a punishment/reward dynamic, for example.

And how is a guy who's out of ideas in like, five seconds- and is too lazy, disinterested, busy, or whatever else- to ask questions here himself... How is someone like that supposed to be an effective mentor? You can't get blood from a stone.


Honestly, I want to get a feel for what a real d/s relationship would be like without throwing myself completely into yet... I'm not ready for that at this point and I completely know that.

It's not that he's out of ideas, it's more that we're both trying to find things... And thus far I've been unsuccessful. He's actually been quite well, as I said... This is both of us that are looking and he's come up with quite many ideas. It's also the fact that I'm far newer at this and do not quite know what to look for or think of when it comes to helping provide ideas. He is a Dom not too use to distance and we're trying to convert ideas.




LadyPact -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/23/2010 2:41:57 PM)

My first thought is why can't you be obedient to such simple rules?

My second thought is I find it surprising that he hasn't got this under control himself.  You did say HE was mentoring you, right?

My third thought is you have Dominance confused with play.  The mental hold that one has over the submissive shouldn't change whether they are across the room or across the globe.  If it's not there, it ain't happening.




FeistyRed -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/23/2010 2:46:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

My first thought is why can't you be obedient to such simple rules?

My second thought is I find it surprising that he hasn't got this under control himself.  You did say HE was mentoring you, right?

My third thought is you have Dominance confused with play.  The mental hold that one has over the submissive shouldn't change whether they are across the room or across the globe.  If it's not there, it ain't happening.



I am obedient to my rules. Its small disappointments that get me into trouble. Or did you mean why seeking for more?

As I said... Its more looking for more ideas out there. Goodness, people ask all the time for ideas and I feel like I'm being jumped on for doing so. You cant just google this sort of stuff (well, actually, you probely can, but that's not what I'm getting at)... I'm just asking for friendly advice, more that can be done. How would you handle a distance sort of thing like this?




dreamerdreaming -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/23/2010 3:09:09 PM)

I travel far and wide, in my career. Distance has never been an impediment when it comes to my D/s relationship with my boy. Because:

1) I'm into control
                            and:
                                    2) he's into obedience

Whatever we both find fulfilling and pleasurable, is what we'll do. I could give you tons of ideas and suggestions, but without knowing more about the two of you and what gets you off, I'd be shooting in the dark.

I'm not trying to be harsh, and I'm sure LadyPact isn't either. (Her post was spot-on, as usual.) We're simply stating the obvious. A reality check is in order. 





January -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/23/2010 3:11:14 PM)

Hi Feisty,

Your request baffles me.

If the arrangement with your LDR man is supposed to give you a taste of RL bdsm, I think you're on the wrong track. Rules and rewards and punishments are just as individual to the couple as play. How in the world can we, a bunch of strangers, give you rules to help you "learn more about yourself"?

If he doesn't know you and your relationship, such as it is, well enough to come up with his own ideas, just be satisfied with what little he can come up with, and enjoy your vacation.


January




lally2 -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/23/2010 3:24:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: January

Hi Feisty,

Your request baffles me.

If the arrangement with your LDR man is supposed to give you a taste of RL bdsm, I think you're on the wrong track. Rules and rewards and punishments are just as individual to the couple as play. How in the world can we, a bunch of strangers, give you rules to help you "learn more about yourself"?

If he doesn't know you and your relationship, such as it is, well enough to come up with his own ideas, just be satisfied with what little he can come up with, and enjoy your vacation.


January


january is right.  if he gets to know you then he will have a far better handle on how to direct you.

but really, right now i just want to really applaud you for being really smart about this whole thing and taking it slow - finding youre way and working things out for youreself before jumping in too soon.

how long have you guys been on-line together




FeistyRed -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/23/2010 3:30:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lally2

quote:

ORIGINAL: January

Hi Feisty,

Your request baffles me.

If the arrangement with your LDR man is supposed to give you a taste of RL bdsm, I think you're on the wrong track. Rules and rewards and punishments are just as individual to the couple as play. How in the world can we, a bunch of strangers, give you rules to help you "learn more about yourself"?

If he doesn't know you and your relationship, such as it is, well enough to come up with his own ideas, just be satisfied with what little he can come up with, and enjoy your vacation.


January


january is right.  if he gets to know you then he will have a far better handle on how to direct you.

but really, right now i just want to really applaud you for being really smart about this whole thing and taking it slow - finding youre way and working things out for youreself before jumping in too soon.

how long have you guys been on-line together


I actually agree with January as well, looking at her post... I guess it is more just a time thing then anything else.

Lally, we have been talking for about a month, maybe a bit longer, and this mentoring arrangement began only a few days ago.




lally2 -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/23/2010 3:41:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FeistyRed


quote:

ORIGINAL: lally2

quote:

ORIGINAL: January

Hi Feisty,

Your request baffles me.

If the arrangement with your LDR man is supposed to give you a taste of RL bdsm, I think you're on the wrong track. Rules and rewards and punishments are just as individual to the couple as play. How in the world can we, a bunch of strangers, give you rules to help you "learn more about yourself"?

If he doesn't know you and your relationship, such as it is, well enough to come up with his own ideas, just be satisfied with what little he can come up with, and enjoy your vacation.


January


january is right.  if he gets to know you then he will have a far better handle on how to direct you.

but really, right now i just want to really applaud you for being really smart about this whole thing and taking it slow - finding youre way and working things out for youreself before jumping in too soon.

how long have you guys been on-line together


I actually agree with January as well, looking at her post... I guess it is more just a time thing then anything else.

Lally, we have been talking for about a month, maybe a bit longer, and this mentoring arrangement began only a few days ago.


in the end control isnt all about what he'll do if you dont obey - it shouldnt always be about deterrant.  the tasks shouldnt always be tedious tests of youre submission.  it is supposed to be fun, rewarding and progressive too.

ive never had an online relationship, but i have had a certain amount of on-line contact with my D's and Ms whilst apart.  what actually meant anything to either of us at any given time wasnt tied up with the minutae of the day.  for me, personally, i can be disorganised.  you can bet my paper work is never up to date, i have a list of jobs and 'need to do lists' as long as my arm.  in the end helping me to focus on these important things was valuable to me and gave him the satisfaction that he was actually directing me in a way i needed to go.

the arbitrary stuff is fine, but as youve found out not so encompassing.





DarkSteven -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/23/2010 3:44:54 PM)

First off, feisty, welcome!

You're not exactly speaking the language of D/s. I suggest you check out WWW.spankingneeds.com.




ourmsbetty -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/23/2010 4:24:56 PM)

What everyone has said here has been very good advice.

However, if this is what you two really want to do for right now, it's your relationship. Do what you're happy with.

You may want to try adding lines or essays and restrictions, like old fashioned groundings, to your punishment list.






cassandria -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/25/2010 1:32:27 PM)

Long distance..hmm...

Is my idea of "evil", having known the reality of a face-to face, body-to-body, Master/slave commitment.

Because of the limitations it places upon you (both of you), I cringe. You're limited - each of you - in how you express yourselves. It's just hard, in my opinion. Sometimes necessary, but hard.

~~~

Having said that...I went back into my memory banks, thinking of what that year was like, before we were together in r/l. Here is what I remember:

I used to:

-play games with him online. Billiards, things like that. Loser rents the movie. We'd watch them online, together. Online date-night. LOL. Popcorn and all.

Even if you're not entering into a full-blown commitment to each other, getting to know each other at a 'vanilla' level to me is really important. Laughter, caring, sharing, things like that. Natural, normal things. They're important, at least to me. Those movie nights, they let me know a lot about him. Every person has many facets...exploring them is insightful. This is just one simple way..

-My camera was up all night/day. (so was his, usually) There was never a time he couldn't check in on me, if I was in my room. If not, well, he seemed to be able to tell me to go to my room..I spent a lot of time in there that year.

Obviously r/l enters in here, but I wasn't allowed privacy. Looking back, that was key. It bridged the gap of distance, knowing he could see me as he wished. I went to bed with him talking to me, I woke up with him talking to me. And seeing me. And me, him. I remember those nights...they were incredibly intimate, even though he was a long ways away.

-There was the awareness that he'd be seeing me, shortly. It was never an intention to stay online, only. That acted as a motivation for me. I had dates circled on my calendar. The anticipation was astonishing. You know how you get before a special date? I had months to get nervous. Ack! lol

-He sent me things in the mail. A shirt that smelled like him. A letter, written in his handwriting. On our first visit, his collar. He replaced my cell phone with one identical to his - he pre-programmed his numbers into it. Things that I would associate with him were encouraged as much as possible. LOL he put his voice on my computer, so that when windows booted up, I heard him every time. There were times I'd deliberately crash my system, just to hear him [:)]

-we spent a *lot* of time on the phone. If I was out shopping, he'd be calling and checking on what I was doing. I didn't buy clothing, for example, without him seeing a quick picture of it and giving his approval. Gradually, my wardrober became "Master-chosen". Guaranteed, whatever I wore he approved of. Makes life easier to please you guys [;)]

-I was given assignments to research, topics to learn about. He knew some of the things I was interested in, and encouraged me to learn more, to stimulate my mind. Even today, I appreciate that aspect of a relationship.

Many times in the chaos that life can bring, having a topic that I needed to take some time aside for, to learn about, the expectation that it was due by a specific time...it would centre me, calm me, focus me. I was always allowed to substitute a topic, if I suddenly came across something that was just inspiring and got me writing, and then the other topic that was assigned would go back on the list.

I felt like he valued my mind. And coming from someone who's self esteem is completely connected to her cunt, that was vital. I learned more of what makes a slave "whole", I guess you could say.

-I was given toys, and tons of them. Instead of orgasm denial, I was made to explore as much of my body, as often, as he could come up with. All within his view.

For some women, maybe it's about denial and the control from that denial. For me, it was the control from the opposite side, which is perhaps less common. He had a lot of imagination, and I responded [:)]

-He didn't punish. I dont think he ever had to. The distance factor was a big enough punishment, or it felt like it. I just wanted to make him really, really happy and proud, as often and in as many ways as I could. I think if he ever got irritated at me or upset, it didn't last long, and he would simply remove himself from me for a while. That, to me, is awful enough.

~~~

These were a few things that I remembered from my experience...since you're just exploring and not committing to an ownership situation, some of these may not apply.

Dominance for me was expressed over distance by simply his mannerisms with me - everything beyond that was just his choices of how to do things. It was constantly reinforced, in every and any capacity. If it wasn't, I couldn't have responded as I did. I learned that for me that was key - that if I wasn't responding, then it may be that the person I was trying to respond to, was the wrong person.

To me, it's his job to learn you, and your job to submit to his knowledge. If he asks for suggestions, trying to gauge how well you know yourself, or just to tweak your mind and play in it a little, sure, but for me a strong part of the dynamic is his leadership. While initially he cannot read a mind, if he cannot reach into his own creativity and come up with what he wants..for me, I will frown and wonder, and not in a good way.

Wishing you the best, and welcome :)









Focus50 -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/25/2010 2:51:27 PM)

The formulation of rules are entirely the dominant's domain so get used to being "lost" when you're burdened with a dominant/mentor who doesn't even know what *he* (or she) likes or wants...! In fact, you simply can't help but get lost when the one expected to lead (the Dom) doesn't know where he wants to take you. And frankly, I always hear geek alarm bells going off everytime I encounter a submissive whose been tasked to do what IS the Dom's responsibility to know and set out for their sub.

Since he's borderline clueless and clearly in need of a mentor himself (one who actually knows more than the pupil), I'll give you a brief critique of your posted rules. First off, I don't formulate rules for the sake of having them, just like I don't clutter my home with dust collectors. My rules are about what I *want* from the one expected to obey them.

1) Vitamins = prioritising your health - score one for him.

2) No cursing? I'll just assume he doesn't curse himself, thus setting his standard for you. Score again. If he does curse, then he's not leading by example and you'll inevitably become conflicted and act out in other ways over what is a hypocrisy from him. IE, he's now setting a negative standard - which always have repercussions entirely of the Dom/me's making.

3) Curfew? And at 9pm? Is this a "dust collecting" rule for the sake of having it or, for eg, are you inclined to over indulge when out?

4) Yikes, you must be young! lol Frankly, 1am seems excessively generous, esp if you have health issues. Hmmmm, maybe I'm just old. Still, 1am *every* night is the basic standard????

5) WTF??? I can't wait to hear why climaxing only between 10 & 11pm is important to him. Or even a rule...! How about you can when you're good (reward) and can't when you're not - and at whatever time you're allowed to mess with your bits....

The average sub is an attention junkie, which is why cornertime is a highly effective punishment for most. I don't give floggings (for eg) as punishment because it's still a form of paying her attention.

But here's a tip re more rules.... The thing is, most rules aren't proactively sexually orientated. How's he like his woman to dress? Hair? Other hair? Makeup, if any? Keeping your home or space in order? And so on.... Almost all rules become passive. IE, I like my girl's hair long. While it's long, the rule is seemingly redundant. But if she came home one day and surprised me with something new, short and trendy, it sure won't be the surprise she was expecting. That or it was her way of saying we're finished....

Focus.




DesFIP -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/25/2010 8:22:12 PM)

Back when we were ldr, we focused on staying connected. Which just meant sharing the minutiae of our days. Because if what I was worried about was the strange noise the car was making, then I wouldn't have been in the mood for cyber sex. The more he knew about me, the better. And vice versa, the more I knew about him, the better I could tell if he was trustworthy.




sunshinemiss -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/25/2010 9:01:54 PM)

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Where punishments are concerned... and orgasm denial


Somebody thinks that's punishment? *eep.

Cassandria - excellent post. I love skype! It has made my relationships (of all kinds) doable!




OsideGirl -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/26/2010 8:45:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FeistyRed
and this mentoring arrangement began only a few days ago.
IMO, a mentor is a guide and doesn't involve play or D/s. So, really he's not mentoring you.

Next, I believe that mentor is pretty much useless unless they're familiar with your local community.

And lastly, a bunch of rules given through a computer aren't going to give you the experience of a real life D/s relationship.

Find your local community, meet people, volunteer and get involved. You'll get a better idea of what you're looking for.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/26/2010 8:51:54 AM)

It can be fun to play it out on the computer though at first. I did for a bit. And it did give me a bit of an understanding of what is involved. It's just a little taste, and not the real thing for sure, but can be quite fun for someone who has never done anything like this before.




MissSilver -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/29/2010 12:58:36 PM)

I love your post, Cassandria! Lots of great info.




dreamerdreaming -> RE: Beginning Rules? Punishments? [Distance Involved] (6/29/2010 4:14:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSilver

I love your post, Cassandria! Lots of great info.


Welcome to the boards, MissSilver!  [:)]

Have you really been here since 2004, or is CM glitching again?  [8|]




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