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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 7:51:14 AM   
Termyn8or


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BP as we know it is dead. Their company owned stations will be taken over by an entity called AMPM. But the same people will be behind the scenes. Shareholders will lose a bunch of money but the execs will be just fine in their dandy new chairs.

Business as usual.

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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 9:03:31 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		Termy, you really need better information before you spout off about such things

AMPM has been owned by BP for over a decade.

AMPM is the name used by the stations that used to belong to ARCO Atlantic Richfield Company.
ARCO was bought by BP back in April of 2000. (Not long after I stopped working at their Plano TX facility)

So all they are doing is using a name brand they already own and bringing it forward so that the stores are not recognized so easily as being part of BP.



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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 9:43:57 AM   
Termyn8or


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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 9:44:53 AM   
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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 9:46:15 AM   
Termyn8or


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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 10:48:55 AM   
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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 11:51:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course there is a conflict of interest, this is capitalist America. We are here to make some money and obviously some as I've tried to tell you kinkroids, pretty much don't care how they go about doing it.

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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 12:01:59 PM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		The problem is a moretorium amounts to prior restraint on Exxon Mobil/ Chevron/ Texaco/Philips/ and every other company that is doing deep water drilling but have not been found to be violating the rules and have not had a problem with their rigs.

BP is accused of having violated the rrgeulations in order for the chain of events that happened to result in this disaster they prettyy much had to have violated 4 5 or 10 regulations and industry standards.

WHY punish other Oil companies when they have not been shown to be violating those standards.

By all means tell them all that the government is going to have an inspector on the rigs every other day for the next year
Tell them you;re going to rotate inspectors so that nobody gets too cozy.
Start new rule making requireing rlief wells for all deep water drilling to be in place before the point at which this could happen.

But to shut down all the other companies and rigs where the rules have not been proven to be violated is acting like a spoiled child.


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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 12:04:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im not sure, but i think it may have something to do with the fact that they all use the same disaster manual?

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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 12:37:00 PM   
SL4V3M4YB3


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Status: offline 		I don't know what these regulations are that BP violated??? If it's already clear BP violated US rules then why no BP prosecutions yet?

From what has emerged it's only clear that BP used cheap methods and others have used those same methods. Obviously none of the other companies are going to say they would have acted 100% the same way as BP did.

Some people are so gullible when it comes to believing what corporations tell them.

The rules are too lax and so need a full review before work progresses.


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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 1:24:04 PM   
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How much study of drilling regulations do you have to make such a judgement?

or is that just polly mimicing the talking heads on the left?

You don;'t need to shut down drilling to make the process safer and less likely to have such an incident.

FACTS are that there were at least 5 or 6 things reported that were against EXISTING CURRENT REGULATIONS or Industry Best Practices.
1. cement job by Haliburton
2. Drilling mud decision to replace with water
3. Blow out preventer testing
4. sheen test was performed and nobody noticed that there was presure pushing out mud when it shouldn't have been (H-40 minutes)
5. negative presure test failed

Had any one of these problems resulted in the appropriate reaction the explosion likely would not have occured.

What is clear is that BP took shortcuts and that these short cuts caught up with them and resulted in a disaster.
You can make sure that those same shortcuts are not taken by others without shutting everyone else down.

You step up the enforcement on the other rigs, you tell them we are going hot and heavy on enforcement and that an inspector will be on the rig every day at their cost.
dozens of ways to improve the safety without shutting down the oil industry.










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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 2:06:15 PM   
SL4V3M4YB3


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Status: offline 		BP worked in line with the regulations that were existing, these processes have to be signed off by some local authority (I hope??).

I'm not an expert in drilling legislation but you don't have to be. You just have to see that if there were already evidence of failing to meet current regulations then there is the moral imperative and political demand to prosecute those responsible immediately based on that evidence.

The other problem that has been highlighted here is that different organisations on the facility were responsible for different equipment and it's operation and maintenance. This creates an environment where it is easy to pass the buck when things go wrong. This too could be the case on other rigs. If there is someone in government (an inspector) that understands that equipment and the processes involved then they'd most likely be paid more doing a non government job. Sending in inspectors is easy but do they know what they are looking for?

Most of the incriminating 'evidence' thus far is based on phraseologies used in BP documents not a "You must use this technique" kind of thing.


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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 3:19:03 PM   
THELADY


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Status: offline 		Regulate them! indeed! they must be safe!

wait......aren't they already regulated?

yes indeed!

so the question becomes,

what happened to the regulators?

who are the regulators?

why were safty violations IGNORED and safty awards GIVEN???

Who innocent and who is guilty?

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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 3:49:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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BP as we know it is dead. Their company owned stations will be taken over by an entity called AMPM. But the same people will be behind the scenes. Shareholders will lose a bunch of money but the execs will be just fine in their dandy new chairs.

Business as usual.

T


Try and keep up Termy, the rebranding started back in 2008.

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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 3:58:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: THELADY

Someone really had to dig to find something to discredit that judge .

Every judge has money invested in a variety of places, just like My little IRA has a varity of investments. IF the judge was a major player in the co. in question there would be a question. HOWERVER,
if his involvment is part of his investment portfolio.. peeeeshaw!!




Nope. Wrong. Their professional ethical standard includes doing anything that "creates the appearance of impropriety"or which they have an interest in. The disciplinary instances out there are absolutely contrary to your position. It doesn't matter how much stock they own, it may not even matter whether they currently own it. The fact alone that they COULD have a conflict means they need to get out. If you ever watch these big business cases in federal court, you would know it's not uncommon for 20-30 judges to recuse themselves before someone can actually sit on it.

This is not a subjective standard for us to decide if it's right or not, the rules already exist.

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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 4:19:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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I can sure see both sides for and against this ruling...can't you. This is no undercover oil payoff.. it was a tough call and could have gone either way.

Butch


No I can't.

As I posted on another thread, the judge had a conflict of interest if he still held those shares and should have withdrawn from the case.

That in itself is a clear basis for appeal. 



....yawn....I wondered how long it would take for the Administration to dig up dirt on the judge.....but for anyone to conclude the judge made a ruling he knew would be held up to extreme public scrutiny...to feather his own nest...is ludicrous. He made a decision that was in the best interest of this nation....something President Obama and his crew have not done even one single time since he "smoke and mirrored" his way into office.  The judge made a sound decision....and you can bet he made sure it was bulletproof. 

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RE: Judge Who Overturned Obama's Ban on Drilling in the... - 6/24/2010 4:28:08 PM   
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Bloomberg: "Transocean Ltd., which leased the Deepwater Horizon to BP Plc, jumped as much as 3.5 percent yesterday in New York Stock Exchange composite trading after the decision was announced."


The complete, contextual paragraph from that Bloomberg.com article:

"Transocean Ltd., which leased the Deepwater Horizon to BP Plc, jumped as much as 3.5 percent yesterday in New York Stock Exchange composite trading after the decision was announced. Hornbeck Offshore Services Inc., which brought the suit, surged as much as 11 percent. Both later retreated, with Transocean shares down $1.42, or 2.6 percent, to $52.49 and Hornbeck down 24 cents, or 1.5 percent, to $15.32 at yesterday’s closing." [my emphasis]

Next?


Looks like I should have read more carefully. Sorry about that, folks!

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