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lily666 -> Creation ? (6/24/2010 10:42:59 PM)
The bible states that first god created Adam and then to keep him company god created Eve .Now Adam begat eve who gave him two sons Kane and Able everything fine so far Kane murdered Able so the big question is who did Kane begat to continue the human race ?

marshalp -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 12:39:37 AM)
Eve!!! Kane did his mom. That's the only logical answer[8D]... Didn't you know that we were all incestuous bastards [:D]

RCdc -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 12:52:54 AM)
Lilith(or one of her clan/peeps).[:D] (And it was Cain)[;)] the.dark.

Fellow -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 1:50:21 AM)
Genomics may give you the answer. The information must still be inside the code of your DNA. So start working on it.

marshalp -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 1:54:57 AM)
Lilith never appears in the Catholic or English bible as a person (some Hebrew folklore name her as Adam's first wife). Anyway she was originally a Mesopotamian Goddess (demon)... Also, when the Bible was written there was no English language, so Cain/Kane... means the same person[:D] Peace.

RCdc -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 2:07:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marshalp Lilith never appears in the Catholic or English bible as a person (some Hebrew folklore name her as Adam's first wife). Anyway she was originally a Mesopotamian Goddess (demon)... Also, when the Bible was written there was no English language, so Cain/Kane... means the same person[:D] Peace. I knowwwwwwwwwww.... shucks... that's what the ICONs are for! Ok...let's get technical.[:D] Biblically, there is no evidence that there was only adam and eve. They might be named because of the lineage being important to the bible, but that's about the sum of it. the.dark.

marshalp -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 2:32:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc quote: ORIGINAL: marshalp Lilith never appears in the Catholic or English bible as a person (some Hebrew folklore name her as Adam's first wife). Anyway she was originally a Mesopotamian Goddess (demon)... Also, when the Bible was written there was no English language, so Cain/Kane... means the same person[:D] Peace. I knowwwwwwwwwww.... shucks... that's what the ICONs are for! Ok...let's get technical.[:D] Biblically, there is no evidence that there was only adam and eve. They might be named because of the lineage being important to the bible, but that's about the sum of it. the.dark. Well technically[8\|], the bible does have a creation story (Gensis) which says there was one man, ok he might not be named Adam (Adam literally means man)... But still it stands... one man, one woman. They have children who either have to do their Mother or Sisters to continue the generations...[8D] I love this conversation, & i don't believe in religion at all. [:D]But, please continue....

RCdc -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 2:54:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marshalp Well technically[8\|], the bible does have a creation story (Gensis) which says there was one man, ok he might not be named Adam (Adam literally means man)... But still it stands... one man, one woman. They have children who either have to do their Mother or Sisters to continue the generations...[8D] I love this conversation, & i don't believe in religion at all. [:D]But, please continue.... Hehe... I dig religious iconism[:D] - Doesn't stand if you take into context that the bible states that he created male and female(in translation) rather than man and woman. Yup you are correct, adam means man and Adam also means Man... so that's a pretty vague thing to use really (on both sides). There is also a reference that he (editing to add that the 'he' being 'god' ) created another man (or rather men depending on the tense used) after the named (for the sake of discussion) Adam in Gen 2. Yeah I pretty much dig this too...[;)] the.dark. (.whocan'tfeckingspelloreditgoodtoday.)

eyesopened -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 3:12:10 AM)
The bible was not written originally for a general audience, it was written as a chronical of the Jewish people. Adam and Eve began that lineage, not the whole of humanity. If you continue to read the Cain and Abel story you will see that when Cain's act of murder was discovered, God gave the punishment of banishment. Cain then pleaded with God that if he were banished, the other people he encountered might kill him. So God put some kind of mark of protection on Cain so he wouldn't be killed by the other people he met. So clearly, there were other people in existance in this story. No incest necessary. It just takes reading the whole story.

RCdc -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 3:32:05 AM)
I don't disagree with you as such but I find it a bit 'out there' to state that the 'bible' was a chronical for the jewish people. Rather that there were scrolls that were the chronicals. The bible is christian after all (well, catholic if we are gonna get pedantic - what moi? Pedantic? [:D]) the.dark.

marshalp -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 3:35:36 AM)
So all the Abhramic people are just one half created by the Abhramic God... the other half form!!! someone who pre-existed before "God created Man"???? [;)] Just wondering?

eyesopened -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 4:27:49 AM)
I really don't want to get into a discussion about religion as it leads absolutely nowhere. The Old Testament isn't Christian. The Bible doesn't discuss a lot of things because it wasn't written as a science book or as the answer to all questions. Moses wrote 5 books (or at least was attributed to Moses). The purpose of these books was to give a sense of history and community to a group of runaway slaves. The books don't discuss how other people came to be, it just provides a story that links those slaves as direct decendent of their god. The Japanese have a similar story. It's pretty powerful stuff to think you are decended from Diety. A self-esteem booster to folks who had been less than human to their owners for hundreds of years. Keep in mind that the books were supposedly written during the exodus. That's where it begins. Genesis is like a "flashback" scene in a movie or think of it as the "prequel" to the rest.

DarkSteven -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 5:09:14 AM)
Eyesopened is correct. The Old Testament is shared by Jews, Christians, and Muslims. The New Testament is shared by Christians and Muslims. The Quran is exclusive to Muslims. Per my recollection, my father told me that G-d created the world's population so that Cain would have people to be shamed by. In other words, they did not spring directly from Adam and Eve. Edited to add: Welcome to collarme, lily666!

RCdc -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 6:34:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened I really don't want to get into a discussion about religion as it leads absolutely nowhere. I disagree. It can be really interesting if you can find people who genuinely enjoy discussing religious and spiritual texts. quote: The Old Testament isn't Christian. I never said it was. You however did say that the bible wasn't intended for the general public, but as a chronical of the jewish people. That would be incorrect. The bible is a series of scrolls and papers that were translated and rewritten using language that has no possible ability of clearly translating from the originals. The Old Testement is not the bible, only part of it. Using the word 'bible' in the modern day world will have people automatically assuming the old and new testement written in different english translations. As I said, I am a pedant. quote: The Bible doesn't discuss a lot of things because it wasn't written as a science book or as the answer to all questions. Moses wrote 5 books (or at least was attributed to Moses). The purpose of these books was to give a sense of history and community to a group of runaway slaves. The books don't discuss how other people came to be, it just provides a story that links those slaves as direct decendent of their god. The Japanese have a similar story. It's pretty powerful stuff to think you are decended from Diety. A self-esteem booster to folks who had been less than human to their owners for hundreds of years. The BIBLE is a pick and choose collection of books, scriptures, poems, songs, scrolls and texts from hundreds of the same - many of which have never been seen outside the Vatican, created by a bunch of scholars. I'm being picky eyes - you said the bible. To make a statement that suggests that the bible is just the Old Testement is completely false. quote: Keep in mind that the books were supposedly written during the exodus. That's where it begins. Genesis is like a "flashback" scene in a movie or think of it as the "prequel" to the rest. I don't have any disputes with that. the.dark.

RCdc -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 6:41:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Eyesopened is correct. No she was not. She clearly stated the bible. She did not specify 'OT'. She may have meant that in her head and not written it clearly, but I'm not going to agree on a false statement when I see it written. Had I made such a mistake I would gladly acknowledge and hold my hands up. Yes, it's being picky and pedantic, but it's already difficult enough discussing religion as eyes has already said herself, without throwing such spanner in. quote: The Old Testament is shared by Jews, Christians, and Muslims. The New Testament is shared by Christians and Muslims. The Quran is exclusive to Muslims. I'll agree with that loosely with the caveat that the interpretations by each section of peoples leads to them becoming very different books altogether. the.dark.

LadyCimarron -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 6:49:00 AM)
The Old Testament does not give a time span in which all of this occured. And people lived to be hundreds of years old back then. The earth could have been widely populated in hundreds of years. And the Old Testament does not record God's relationship with all mankind, it records God's relationship to the people in Abraham's lineage. Any other ethnicities and their lineage would not be included because they are not relevant to Abraham's generations. They say history belongs to the victors....sometimes it just belongs to the ones who were smart enough to write it down. [;)] edited to read "old testament" for arguments sake.

marshalp -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 7:07:11 AM)
So the issue still stands, The Abhramic people are just one half created by the Abhramic God... the other half from someone who pre-existed before the first man... If we create a family tree from the OT, it'll be Adan & Eve, survived by Cain to led to all others.... ??? (i might be wrong... long time since i picked up an actual Bible. & i agree with RCdc "It can be really interesting if you can find people who genuinely enjoy discussing religious and spiritual texts."

RCdc -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 7:10:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marshalp So the issue still stands, The Abhramic people are just one half created by the Abhramic God... the other half from someone who pre-existed before the first man... I am pretty much there with you however, I don't know if we (generic) can say with any certainty that Abs peeps accounted for 50% of creation? the.dark.

DarkSteven -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 7:13:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marshalp So the issue still stands, The Abhramic people are just one half created by the Abhramic God... the other half from someone who pre-existed before the first man... If we create a family tree from the OT, it'll be Adan & Eve, survived by Cain to led to all others.... ??? (i might be wrong... long time since i picked up an actual Bible. & i agree with RCdc "It can be really interesting if you can find people who genuinely enjoy discussing religious and spiritual texts." The italicized portions is self-contradictory...

Moonhead -> RE: Creation ? (6/25/2010 7:13:26 AM)
As DarkSteven suggests, the best source for a discussion about this is Talmudic scholarship. This is something that experts on the Jewish religion (I think there's a term for a religious scholar who isn't a Rabbi, though I can't remember it offhand) have been considering in great depth for centuries. It's a very interesting field, and I'm sure you'd enjoy reading around it if you make the effort.

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