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BonesFromAsh -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/28/2010 5:12:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery Will this make You think twice before putting a rubber ball in a slave male's mouth? Will this curb Your sadistic proclivities? Or is this just a freak tragic accident and as with all things in life there is risk? Would be interested in Your responses to this tragic casekevin If anything, this should make the s-types do a bit more research not just on the person they choose to engage with but into the type of activities they're interested in experiencing. Risk Aware goes both ways.

blueeyedbbwsub -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/28/2010 6:22:06 AM)
Kevin, Once AGAIN you made it against the Dommes. The same could and would apply to a Dom with a female sub. I make sure to play safe, won't do anything I consider dangerous and know my partner well before I play. The fact that'd he'd apparently been there before without incident is the whole point of this lil story. It only takes once for a fatal mistake to be made. And that's exactly what it was, an ACCIDENT. I'm sure the pro-dommes aren't looking to kill their clients. Be kinda bad for business wouldn't it? Stands to reason after all. 'Nuff said

lobodomslavery -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/28/2010 2:36:03 PM)
i dont want to get one over anyone Domme or Sub, im just relating a news story that s all kevin

laurell3 -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/28/2010 2:39:13 PM)
Kevin, I sense you are trying to be suprisingly reasonable, but the title of the thread has a very different feel than your post and comments. That might be why you're getting the response. shrugs

Politesub53 -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/28/2010 5:25:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadisticMs And as a follow up....quick poll. How many dominants here have killed a sub or know someone real time who has killed a sub? Ridiculous LOL There have been a few in the UK, where the guy has died from a heart attack. I read that was the same in this case and this chap collapsed in the shower.

hopelesslyInvo -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/28/2010 6:38:45 PM)
the first thing i think of when i see "58 year old man" is viagra commercials; more specifically i think of the part where it says "make sure you're healthy enough to engage in sexual activity", sex for certain aside, there's no way to say it wasn't his neglect that brought his misfortune from the data given. when it's clear what he died of, then an opinion could possibly be formed. there's a big difference between dying from blunt trauma and something like heart failure. i would say the worst thing they did was to be inconsiderate of their neighboring eyes. private affairs should not be forced down the throat of the public. the entire business should have been kept indoors, and the house should have been readily identifiable by some means that would mean nothing any other passerby. i won't get into any debate of what constitutes a legitimate or respectable business, but it is interesting that they're labeled in the article as prostitutes despite making no mention of sexual services within it; only of assault. at any rate, they called for a paramedic and tried to save his life when something 'unexpected' and 'unintended' occured. that speaks volumes about their 'tone' of sadism in my opinion. as far as laughing gas goes; i couldn't really care less. part of their selling point was medical play, and i've no reason to believe anything was done against his wishes. i also don't know what qualifications the two women might have possessed, and they might well have been more knowledgeable over safety concerns than any of us who consider ourselves experts after a quick 3 minute interview with google. aside from what degree of expertise any of us may actually possess, the report doesn't state in the slightest in what amount of gas was used, or what went along with it, we only tend to assume he was hyperventilating into a mask while being beaten during his gasps. all we know is that it 'was' used at some point during the session. jumping to conclusions with inconclusive data would be like assuming water sports were part of the session just because you had information in the report that at some point 'someone had to go pee'. it seems more coincidental than anything else that it involves bdsm. people die from abuse every day. people die from drugs every day. people die from old age every day. people die from neglect every day people die from accidents every day. people die unexpectedly every day. this day, the people involved just happened to be wearing leather; it's not much of a case against bdsm practices as a whole.

laurell3 -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/28/2010 8:19:11 PM)
I remember a local murder case where the wife was named. They had a long history of public physical feuding. He died unexpectedly during a heated argument with her including at least wrestling and shoving. He was fit and seemingly healthy. She was having an affair. She was charged and jailed. The autopsy found no trauma. Based on statements she had made and alot of evidence that she was planning to leave him and take all his money "any way I can", the prosecution was going forward anyway. They sent the body out for a second national expert to look at. It turns out he had a congenital heart defect. He had a rather large whole in his heart that had been there for quite awhile and was just eventually going to kill him no matter what. She was released. People die for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes it's when they are having sex. It doesn't mean the sex killed them.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/28/2010 10:42:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery Im sorry Ma'am but i never said what they were arrested for . i never said that they were arrested for murder or assault. Read my post. READ my POST. And read again. It states nothing about arrest assault or murder. Ok there is mention of an autopsy in my post but that is just a report which i copied and pasted from the web not my view at all kevin First of all I read your post, did you? quote: Lucrezia, 46, whose real name was given only as Ira V.D., and Juno, 37, were both arrested and charged with assault and battery leading to death, without intent to kill. Sometimes the problem with cutting and pasting someone else's words is you don't know what they say. But why specifically direct it at sadistic women? Are the deaths of male subs/slaves more egregious than the deaths of femal subs/slaves? As others have said, accidents happen. There is nothing in this article that would indicate there was anything really particularly odd about this case other than the woman's goal to be the most sadistic dominatrix. Would you ask people if they changed their views on marriage after reading a case where one spouse killed another? Woud you ask if they changed their views about smoking in their house because someone else fell asleep with a cigarette and burned their house down? Would you ask people if they were going to stop drinking after reading a story about an alcoholic whose liver imploded and killed him? In other words, do you actually have a POINT that you are trying to make?

lobodomslavery -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/29/2010 4:16:47 AM)
im just raising it because its topical and newsworthy at the minute. i did nt envisage it to be a long and winding thread nor do i want it to be. in a few days it wont be newsworthy. i hope this thread dissipates kevin

LadyPact -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/29/2010 4:32:23 AM)
It's not topical. It's sensational. If this guy would have died as a result of nitrous oxide with no BDSM involved, this might have not even made the papers. There would have been a quiet little obit somewhere and nobody would have even paid attention. The press and the media capitalize on the fact that sex sells and kinky sex sells more. The tactic works and some people buy it hook, line, and sinker.

lobodomslavery -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/29/2010 4:36:02 AM)
ok i ll admit i do like a bit of a scandal or controversy but this side of the Atlantic anyway who doesnt, the papers are full of scandals every day of the week and people buy them, one thing that hasnt suffered in the recession is newspaper sales. If you like, laughs, a lot of people fall for it, hook line and sinker, in Ireland we call scandal makers lovable rogues, yeah we do like a bit of of the scandalous here, it makes life exciting kevin

LadyPact -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/29/2010 4:54:42 AM)
Actually, papers have suffered. This is due to more than just the recession. It also has to do with the way that the media has changed over the years. Publications now have to compete with other viable news sources all of the time. People don't wait for the morning paper to find out what is happening int the world. They turn on their computer or watch CNN. As a result, printed publications have to use sensationalism to keep their readership. It's a far cry from actual journalism. It has much more to do with entertainment, shock value, and human interest than news. Had there been no scandal in this man's death, it would have never been a story.

lobodomslavery -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/29/2010 6:12:39 AM)
i wasnt aware of that. its sad that paper sales have suffered. its certainly not my doing thats for sure, i buy one sometimes two papers per day. my dad buys two papers as well. So its not our doing. i dont know how they could have suffered. Maybe in the States kevin

MadameXavialune -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (6/29/2010 7:52:02 PM)
I also find it interesting that these Women are termed as prostitutes 'calling themselves Mistress..' It's very sad that this happened to the man, and that it happens to anyone at all. Of course it was an accident but the media is going to run with it regardless because it appears to have something to do with a way of life not generally smiled upon by the public. Is there really a way to find out if this was due anyone's negligence or simply a freak accident? And anyway, I would agree with a previous post in that I personally would never fool around with any kind of substance during a session..

LadyHelleonor -> RE: Will this case make You tone down Your sadism (7/1/2010 11:43:35 PM)
Accidents can happen and they can happen more often to people who play too close to the edge.....that said, if you can keep your eyes on the line and you know how far you are from the edge, you won't fall off of it, and your sub will also be safe from a possible fall. As Mistresses, and as Sadists, we must always understand that we have the power, and the control, but we also have the burden of liability, and it's all about playing as best as we can, not as hard or as much as we can. If you know your slave's limit, if you know how close you can go to the line and where the line is at all times, considering it moves from day to day and minute to minute in the session, you won't cross the line between hurt and harm. But the truth is, I'd simply ask...why someone has to become a willing victim and take such risks, enter such sessions willingly, how responsible does that make the Dominant who is administering the punishment and pain, the damage itself.....and how responsible should She/he be as to know when to give elss than asked and when to not give anything at all for safety ? To me, this was a typical case of a dumb reckless kamikaze fool who ran into a heavy handed and hot headed Mistress who didn't know how or when to stop as she was the same as a person racing a car blindfolded for kicks.

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