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Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 6:40:14 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		So any how my sister in Chicago gets a $100 red light cam ticket.  But let me explain it.  They are going on coming to a complete stop (for 10 seconds?)  before turning right on red.

What are your thoughts on cam tix thru the mail?
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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 6:50:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		When they put them in near where I lived many people were against it. I walk a lot, so I thought it was a great idea. And it was wildy successful. It was so successful in stopping people from running red lights that they took them out because they weren't making revenue from it... get this, they said we had to have them to stop people from running red lights, and when that worked they yanked them out because they worked too well... that angered me deeply, it was never about keeping us safe, it was about generating money for the city

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 6:53:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think you should make sure you come to a full and complete stop before making that right turn. Then if there is a camera, you don't have to worry about it. If you choose to break the law, because you are in such a hurry to get home, then I guess you pay the fine.

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 6:53:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		You'd be amazed at the shit they dig up from those cams. It's not just about running red lights.

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 7:12:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have no problems with camera-based tickets through the mail. Here in Florida there's no difference between them and those issued by law enforcement that might happen to be on scene to witness the traffic infraction. Either way the infraction was witnessed, whether by camera (with the footage most likely reviewed by a human) or live by a cop, it's a judgement call as to the actual running of the red light.

In your sister's case, did she come to a full and complete stop, with wheels not moving at all for those full 10 seconds, or was the car creeping along, even at a snail's pace? Did she make the turn with no traffic coming or did she make the turn by trying to sneak into an apparent opening between two cars?

Automated camera systems are programmed with arbitrary tolerances that, perhaps, your sister tripped. Had a cop been on scene, he or she might have not been so tight-assed about it and let your sister's actions slide, but then again, maybe not.

No metro area can afford to have a human cop sitting at all intersections controlling red light runners all of the time. Yet, something must be done to curb those infractions, for in some metro areas red light running is getting out of control. Just this morning, while reporting about the passage of the new law here in Florida making such cameras legal, the television reporter counted no fewer than 100 cars running the red lights at the intersection she was stationed in a two hour period... which is typical for intersections in the Orlando metro area (4-way intersection with six lanes running north/south and eight lanes running east/west).

Yes there will be legal challenges and cries of invasions of privacy that come with these cameras. Boo-hoo. There have been legal challenges and cries of invasions of privacy when cops pull people over for running red lights. What's the difference?

Red light cameras are safer for law enforcement, at least here in Florida. In the past three days six officers have been shot -- one killed -- as they've tried to carry out routine traffic stops. One of those incidents was pulling over a man on a bicycle and he mowed down two officers with a .45 caliber pistol at point blank range (they're recovering) he had hiding in his shirt. Traffic stops have become shooting galleries of late, with the cops being the targets. So, as a cop, would you want to pull someone over for running a red light, only to be shot down?

Like it or not, red light cameras (and toll-booth cameras, for that matter) are becoming the norm for catching routine traffic infractions. Those tickets issued can be fought in court just like the officer-issued ones.

So, PA, if your sister feels she didn't deserve the ticket, she needs to fight it by whatever avenues are open to her in her area.

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 7:57:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I tho have a right to face my accuser in a court of law.

It is highway robbery.


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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 8:03:31 AM   
sappatoti


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Status: offline 		The accuser will be there. Whether that is the human who actually reviewed the alleged infraction and approved the ticket or the law's equivalent as to someone being charged with the responsibility, the ticket issuer will be there.

At least here in Florida. I can't speak to the legal wording of the law in the Chicago area.

[... edited for clarity ... I hope ...]

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 8:21:09 AM   
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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 8:41:25 AM   
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Tell her to get some of this. (although the legality of this stuff is debatable.) http://www.phantomplate.com/


good idea.   She is not too upset over the ticket.  Mom is  all panicked over it. LOL

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 8:57:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		We have them here........follow the rules and it's no problem.

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 8:59:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

We have them here........follow the rules and it's no problem.


Suppose I do not have $100 for the fine?

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 9:00:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

We have them here........follow the rules and it's no problem.


Suppose I do not have $100 for the fine?



Perhaps they will let you work off the fine?

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 9:03:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		we had them here, ins pringfield mo, but (and im nto entirely sure why) they went to court and were ruled that they had to be turned off adn any fines collected from them may have to be paid back.

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 9:07:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

We have them here........follow the rules and it's no problem.


Suppose I do not have $100 for the fine?



Why should they treat you any differently than if you received the ticket for the violation in person from an officer?

If you do not pay the citation, you suffer the consequences. At some point I would imagine there would be additional fines, order to appear in court, perhaps even an arrest warrant........etc etc etc

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 9:16:13 AM   
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we had them here, ins pringfield mo, but (and im nto entirely sure why) they went to court and were ruled that they had to be turned off adn any fines collected from them may have to be paid back.


Here in Florida a number of municipalities went ahead and put those cameras up, on state-run intersections, without permission from the state and collected fines. That was done before the state's legislature took up and passed a law making such camera systems legal to use for capturing red light runners.

Now, those municipalities that collected fines, only on infractions caught on state-run intersections (municipally owned intersections are not covered here) prior to the state's law taking effect, which is 1 July of this year, will probably have to give back all the money they've collected. Don't know for sure as those lawsuits are just now hitting the various court systems. Only one jurisdiction in my area figured out, in advance, that this might be the case and put all of the money they collected into an escrow account for the possibility they would have to repay it, with interest.


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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 9:38:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

We have them here........follow the rules and it's no problem.


Suppose I do not have $100 for the fine?



Why should they treat you any differently than if you received the ticket for the violation in person from an officer?

If you do not pay the citation, you suffer the consequences. At some point I would imagine there would be additional fines, order to appear in court, perhaps even an arrest warrant........etc etc etc


How is this any different then a drone?

They both extract from a persons well being.

Why should we obey a machine?  The machine has no constitutional rights.

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 9:40:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		These cameras have zero to do with safety and everything to do with creating another revenue source for the municipalities who use them. It's a tax, and a not so cleverly hidden one. The traffic safety claim is pure, unadulterated bullshit. The promotional material of some of the manufacturers of these cameras touts the increased enforcement revenue possible at a lower cost than using officers.  Here in MA, the incidence of rear-end collisions at lights known to be equipped with cameras has risen, as people unsure of the "criteria" the camera uses slam on brakes for yellow lights. A friend who is a local police officer in my town says the same thing - they do nothing for safety and everything to raise $$$.

These things should be outlawed and efforts are underway in many states to do just that.  Where removal is not the goal, efforts are being made to force government to conspicuously post large signs before such cameras (speed cams as well) that the camera is operational and its' effective  range begins _______ feet ahead and a similar sign placed where the camera is no longer effective. If the REAL goal is safety, these signs will do more to slow down drivers or increase compliance, than the cameras themselves will do. If the actual goal is revenue, the government entities will squeal like stuck pigs at having to do this.

It is just more "big brother" stuff. I have no issue with them personally as long as warnings are put in place about their presence and they are not a way to get around needed government spending cuts by raising revenues with them. I have a stellar driving record, having never had a single moving violation/ticket in 40 years of driving, so I'm not likely to be a victim of one.

The following sites provide databases of locations nationally of these, ways to get around the tickets, etc. GPS manufacturers are rumored to be working on adding them to their GPS to warn of approaching one. There is also supposedly a company working on a cover for your license plate that can be read easily by a following police officer or a toll camera, but cannot be read by a high-mounted red light or speed camera (polarized?)

http://www.photoenforced.com/

http://www.highwayrobbery.net/

http://www.motorists.org/photoenforce/

http://www.safernet.org/

http://speedcamerapoi.com/


...and lots more....

By the way...the place cameras are really needed is at rail crossings. As a former locomotive engineer, I can tell you that the number of people who go around gates in front of approaching trains is a real problem.  Those people need to be ticketed or worse and cams are the perfect way to do this.....as they can be low-level cams that defeat things like polarized license plate covers.

MC

(...noting that others made the same points above....)


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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 9:41:19 AM   
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How is this any different then a drone?

They both extract from a persons well being.

Why should we obey a machine?  The machine has no constitutional rights.



Welllllllllllllllll, some of the drones can drop actual bombs on your ass. Get bombed by a drone and you won't have to worry about a silly little thing like a red light ticket from a computer. At that point, I imagine constitutions right would be rather inconsequential.


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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 9:41:21 AM   
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I don't like those things.  I mean, how fucking petty can you get if you get a ticket cause you ran a red light in the middle of the fucking night when no one else was around and the light was red for what seemed like 20 minutes?  Aside from that, I really don't see the necessity of cameras all over the place, unless we're going for a police state.

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RE: Red Light Cam Ticketed!! SHIT - 6/29/2010 9:42:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

We have them here........follow the rules and it's no problem.


Suppose I do not have $100 for the fine?



Why should they treat you any differently than if you received the ticket for the violation in person from an officer?

If you do not pay the citation, you suffer the consequences. At some point I would imagine there would be additional fines, order to appear in court, perhaps even an arrest warrant........etc etc etc


The good news is, they want their money and they are willing to work with you and let you pay it out if you don't have it all at once.  At least, that's been my experience with tickets.


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