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LadyHibiscus -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 10:42:06 AM)
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Ligeia72 -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 1:13:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists The last time we played inadvertently turned into blood play and I would say that we both enjoyed ourselves very much. He was using a meat tenderizer, the kind that has little knives to stick into the meat and he was using it on my thighs and back. Needless to say, I started dripping blood. He did his best to make me bleed more and used it to fingerpaint my body with and feed it to me. It was very primal, painful and cathartic. He has also decide that we are going to start carrying our own drop cloths from now on when we go out. This is twice that our play turned bloody when it wasn't really intended to and we had to get the help of DM's to bring over plastic. Since plastic sticks everywhere when you get sweaty and bloody we are bringing our own drop cloths. Knight's Kyra Obviously it's different with unintentional Bloodplay, in that situation you can't really do much except alert the DM for health and safety considerations. Personally I would have also stopped the play at that point. Even if you're being careful not to splash, or drip blood all over the place, and making sure any blood spilled on dungeon furniture, the floor, etc is contained and/or cleaned with an appropriate solution, the rise and fall action of the insert whatever instrument here could still cause microscopic droplets of blood to be cast off, putting those around you at risk of blood borne pathogens. The risk is probably negligible overall, but I always consider the fact that myself and my play partner(s) would have (hopefully) been made aware of, and assessed the risks, and having done so would then have made an informed decision to consent or not consent to the play. Others around us in a public space haven't necessarily done the same thing, hence Risk Aware Consensual Kink becomes neither. For the same reasons I also won't engage in bloodplay in a public setting, except under certain strict circumstances - ie, contained area (as in a closed off separate space/room) away from the general gathering, with all surfaces to be washable, and preferably non porous, using a hospital grade cleaning solution with wipes that are then disposed of - no other participants to be in the room except those who have done a complete risk awareness analysis, and consented to accept those risks. The above might sound like alarmist overkill to some (hopefully it doesn't come across as sounding elitist also, not my intent), but to me this is a risky form of play, and it's far better to do too much to try and minimise said risks rather than too little. In my opinion, Blood needs to be approached with a lot of respect (and perhaps a certain amount of awe), which to me adds to the mystique/interest of Bloodplay itself. [:)]

Ligeia72 -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 1:22:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh I'll be honest (with myself and others) and admit I have a deep fascination with blood/cutting/sharp instruments. The topic, at this point for me, is almost too personal to post about but I finally admitted recently to a friend here that I enjoy not just blood but the viseral feel both emotionally and physically of the cutting and the idea of having what's inside out. I haven't been able to find a partner that 1) was willing to engage in this sort of play and 2) I was interested enough to bond with in this way. It does turn some people off to both the activity and me. For now, I am my own voodoo doll. I've used my blood and other bits & pieces in some artwork. I look forward to doing this sort of thing...creating a very personal piece of art...if and when I do find my "partner in crime". okay, that wasn't so hard to admit....oops, wrong thread I'm in very much the same situation. My husband is aware of my desire for/interest in Bloodplay, but has no interest in it himself and I haven't had the opportunity to play with anyone else (not that I'm into the idea of 'casual' bloodplay with just anybody). Also with the sort of stigma that can be attached to this type of activity (eg it's self harm, it means you actually want to seriously hurt people, etc) it isn't something I go readily admitting. I did wonder for a while myself if my growing interest in Bloodplay was somehow delusional (was I taking my interest in Vampires/the concept of Vampire roleplay too far), or in some way signified a deeper issue. I decided in the end the answer was no to both, but definitely I still had to do some 'soul searching' before I could say 'I like the idea of Bloodplay, and that doesn't mean there's anything inherently 'wrong' with me'. For now, like yourself, I too am my own Blood doll. [:)]

Ligeia72 -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 1:34:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: monochromaniac I love the idea of blood play and I do get a fair bit turned on thinking about it. Unfortunately for me, I loathe pain and so does my partner. We're both terrified of needles, too. In addition, I self-harm so I associate pain with being in a really negative state mentally, and I don't want to put myself in that position. So if anyone has a pain-free way of getting into blood play, I'd love to hear it! Depending on what it is that you're looking for in Bloodplay, you could use fake blood with a lot of imagination. I suppose you could also use some sort of numbing cream to reduce sensation if you're looking to draw actual blood, but don't wish to feel the pain of the act. I'm not sure about the potential risks of that though, so I'd want to be researching it and/or asking someone more experienced beforehand. I self harm as well (definitely another reason I struggled with accepting my interest in this sort of play). I do find though that my mindset before self harm, and before indulging in self bloodplay is very different. One is coming from a place of negativity, the other is more positive. So I've been able to compartmentalise in a way, and not automatically associate bloodplay with self harm. [:)]

monochromaniac -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 3:01:56 PM)
I thought about using fake blood but it really doesn't have the same consistency and I think I'd want to see it welling out of the cut. I'm pretty sure it doesn't taste the same, either. Numbing cream is actually a good idea, I hadn't thought of that! For you, where (anatomy-wise) does it hurt least? Ah, that's reassuring. I just don't want to end up getting my feelings mixed up and started to associate sex and play with the bad thoughts I get and having that inadvertantly affect my relationship. I doubt I'd do self bloodplay because I only really enjoy the idea of doing it with a partner. I might try vampire roleplay, that seems like it could avoid the whole "cutting = selfharm" conflict.

Ligeia72 -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 3:28:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: monochromaniac I thought about using fake blood but it really doesn't have the same consistency and I think I'd want to see it welling out of the cut. I'm pretty sure it doesn't taste the same, either. Numbing cream is actually a good idea, I hadn't thought of that! For you, where (anatomy-wise) does it hurt least? Ah, that's reassuring. I just don't want to end up getting my feelings mixed up and started to associate sex and play with the bad thoughts I get and having that inadvertantly affect my relationship. I doubt I'd do self bloodplay because I only really enjoy the idea of doing it with a partner. I might try vampire roleplay, that seems like it could avoid the whole "cutting = selfharm" conflict. When it comes to least painful areas if you're talking about cutting, personally I find the forearms, and tops of my thighs (just above the knee) to be the areas that have the least pain response. Also, for me it depends on the sharpness of the instrument - a sharp blade that I only need to caress across my skin is less painful (or a different sort of painful) than a dull blade that you have to hack away at the flesh with, well not literally but you get what I mean (hopefully). Obviously though with a very sharp blade you need to be careful not to inadvertently cut too deep. I keep my play cuts at a surface level only, just enough to cause a well of blood that I can then spread around, encourage droplets to run, etc.

monochromaniac -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 3:31:48 PM)
Oh, ok, that's helpful, thanks. Would you mind if I cmailed you? I'd like to learn more about this, and you seem a veritable wealth of information!

BonesFromAsh -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 3:43:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ligeia72 I'm in very much the same situation. My husband is aware of my desire for/interest in Bloodplay, but has no interest in it himself and I haven't had the opportunity to play with anyone else (not that I'm into the idea of 'casual' bloodplay with just anybody). Also with the sort of stigma that can be attached to this type of activity (eg it's self harm, it means you actually want to seriously hurt people, etc) it isn't something I go readily admitting. I did wonder for a while myself if my growing interest in Bloodplay was somehow delusional (was I taking my interest in Vampires/the concept of Vampire roleplay too far), or in some way signified a deeper issue. I decided in the end the answer was no to both, but definitely I still had to do some 'soul searching' before I could say 'I like the idea of Bloodplay, and that doesn't mean there's anything inherently 'wrong' with me'. For now, like yourself, I too am my own Blood doll. [:)] Nice to know there are other "personal pincushions" out there. [:D] I wanted to comment on the two bolded parts in your reply. I've never been one to self harm. My interest has less to do with harm and more with a sexual/sacredness I attach to blood. Funny thing, I had to delete what I had written here three times because it was just too personal...way too personal to share. I guess that relates back to your second bolded quote...the idea of "soul searching" before being able to admit certain things. Come to think of it, I'm going no further with this post. I do thank you for bringing the topic up and for being as open as you have been. Oh, and welcome!

Ligeia72 -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 3:51:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: monochromaniac Oh, ok, that's helpful, thanks. Would you mind if I cmailed you? I'd like to learn more about this, and you seem a veritable wealth of information! No I don't mind if you cmail me. I do want to make it clear though that I don't actually have any real time, first hand experience with this - apart from the limitations of self play. My knowledge comes from listening to/reading others words of advice and experience, so I'd be imparting second hand wisdom and therefore would not be comfortable giving any sort of 'instruction' accept at a very general level. [:)]

Ligeia72 -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 3:54:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh Nice to know there are other "personal pincushions" out there. [:D] I wanted to comment on the two bolded parts in your reply. I've never been one to self harm. My interest has less to do with harm and more with a sexual/sacredness I attach to blood. Funny thing, I had to delete what I had written here three times because it was just too personal...way too personal to share. I guess that relates back to your second bolded quote...the idea of "soul searching" before being able to admit certain things. Come to think of it, I'm going no further with this post. I do thank you for bringing the topic up and for being as open as you have been. Oh, and welcome! Thank you, and you're welcome. [:)]

kyraofMists -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 7:01:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ligeia72 The risk is probably negligible overall, but I always consider the fact that myself and my play partner(s) would have (hopefully) been made aware of, and assessed the risks, and having done so would then have made an informed decision to consent or not consent to the play. Others around us in a public space haven't necessarily done the same thing, hence Risk Aware Consensual Kink becomes neither. Our perspective on this is different. The party that we go accepts blood play and all those attending know that blood play is a possibility if not an actual guarantee. If it is an unacceptable risk for them to be even in the same room as others doing blood play then they would be expected to leave or not come. By staying they consent to the minimal risk of microscopic drops of blood. This is a community whose latest trend is all things sharp. Needles, hooks, hook suspensions... Blood play is a regular occurance at these parties and the organizers are very good a making sure the risks are minimalized as much as possible. The organizer also have a meeting for first time attendees to let them know the things they may be exposed to, so they can make an informed decision if they want to stay or leave. Other parties do things differently. Knight's Kyra

Ligeia72 -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 7:09:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists quote: ORIGINAL: Ligeia72 The risk is probably negligible overall, but I always consider the fact that myself and my play partner(s) would have (hopefully) been made aware of, and assessed the risks, and having done so would then have made an informed decision to consent or not consent to the play. Others around us in a public space haven't necessarily done the same thing, hence Risk Aware Consensual Kink becomes neither. Our perspective on this is different. The party that we go accepts blood play and all those attending know that blood play is a possibility if not an actual guarantee. If it is an unacceptable risk for them to be even in the same room as others doing blood play then they would be expected to leave or not come. By staying they consent to the minimal risk of microscopic drops of blood. This is a community whose latest trend is all things sharp. Needles, hooks, hook suspensions... Blood play is a regular occurance at these parties and the organizers are very good a making sure the risks are minimalized as much as possible. The organizer also have a meeting for first time attendees to let them know the things they may be exposed to, so they can make an informed decision if they want to stay or leave. Other parties do things differently. Knight's Kyra Oh, yeah of course, obviously that's an entirely different kettle of fish to being in a situation where bloodplay is either not allowed, or those present haven't been informed that bloodplay is a possibility - just like you said/explained. Thanks for the clarification. [:)]

Ligeia72 -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (6/30/2010 9:39:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists This is a community whose latest trend is all things sharp. Needles, hooks, hook suspensions... Blood play Just wanted to add - My interest in this community has been aroused, and I would like to become a member [:D] J/K (sort of) [;)] Seriously your post as a whole sounds like my idea of fantasy heaven. Public play in that situation, Yes Please. [:D]

allthatjaz -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (7/1/2010 1:18:13 AM)
Ligeia, I think its good to point out the hazards of blood play, especially in public venues. We were in one particular club recently where more than one person was receiving blood play in the same area and in fairly close proximity of each other. I had to walk away because the ignorance sickened me. Blood play in the UK really took off a few years ago. It suddenly became fashionable to publicly pierce, cut and brand in public. Consequently there's a lot of uneducated people taking ignorant risks. When my partner is doing scarification, (works with a scalpel or branding iron) he wears a double surgical mask, surgical sterile gloves and works in an air conditioned room with a Hepa filter in close proximity of his subject. He doesn't do this because it looks good but to lessen the hazards. In club land it is unlikely we will have those sorts of facilities but we should still consider our area carefully and take every precaution possible.

Ligeia72 -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (7/1/2010 1:43:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz Ligeia, I think its good to point out the hazards of blood play, especially in public venues. We were in one particular club recently where more than one person was receiving blood play in the same area and in fairly close proximity of each other. I had to walk away because the ignorance sickened me. Blood play in the UK really took off a few years ago. It suddenly became fashionable to publicly pierce, cut and brand in public. Consequently there's a lot of uneducated people taking ignorant risks. When my partner is doing scarification, (works with a scalpel or branding iron) he wears a double surgical mask, surgical sterile gloves and works in an air conditioned room with a Hepa filter in close proximity of his subject. He doesn't do this because it looks good but to lessen the hazards. In club land it is unlikely we will have those sorts of facilities but we should still consider our area carefully and take every precaution possible. Absolute agreement. This is definitely not something I mess around with. I try and make sure I'm as informed as I can be, having not had any direct experience with this form of play, and aware of any necessary safety precautions that need to be taken. Both for myself, and anyone else participating/within the area of play. Personally, whilst Knight's Kyra's description of that particular play scene sounded hot to me in fantasy, in reality I personally would not participate in such because I would find it too risky/no safe enough. Obviously though if the people who are participating have had things clearly laid out for them, so that they are fully aware of risks involved, and so on, and the party organisers have taken all steps to make sure that everyone has the knowledge they need to make a truly informed decision about whether someone wishes to participate or not, then it's up to the individual to choose how much personal risk they're willing to accept. For me personally though, no, that situation is far too risky, I wouldn't engage. Hmm I think I just agreed with you in a very long winded way. [:D]

Ligeia72 -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (7/1/2010 1:48:18 AM)
double post:

allthatjaz -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (7/1/2010 1:56:54 AM)
There are clubs over here that I would quite happily play in but thats because the facilities provided are good. Informed consent is fine provided the person doing the informing is educated enough to give out sound information.

Ligeia72 -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (7/1/2010 2:38:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz Informed consent is fine provided the person doing the informing is educated enough to give out sound information. Definitely! Which is why I think it's very important for someone to also make sure they are as well educated as possible themselves, so that they can then make sure they are truly able to assess what is sound information. [:)]

KnightofMists -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (7/1/2010 9:07:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ligeia72 quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz Ligeia, I think its good to point out the hazards of blood play, especially in public venues. We were in one particular club recently where more than one person was receiving blood play in the same area and in fairly close proximity of each other. I had to walk away because the ignorance sickened me. Blood play in the UK really took off a few years ago. It suddenly became fashionable to publicly pierce, cut and brand in public. Consequently there's a lot of uneducated people taking ignorant risks. When my partner is doing scarification, (works with a scalpel or branding iron) he wears a double surgical mask, surgical sterile gloves and works in an air conditioned room with a Hepa filter in close proximity of his subject. He doesn't do this because it looks good but to lessen the hazards. In club land it is unlikely we will have those sorts of facilities but we should still consider our area carefully and take every precaution possible. Absolute agreement. This is definitely not something I mess around with. I try and make sure I'm as informed as I can be, having not had any direct experience with this form of play, and aware of any necessary safety precautions that need to be taken. Both for myself, and anyone else participating/within the area of play. Personally, whilst Knight's Kyra's description of that particular play scene sounded hot to me in fantasy, in reality I personally would not participate in such because I would find it too risky/no safe enough. Obviously though if the people who are participating have had things clearly laid out for them, so that they are fully aware of risks involved, and so on, and the party organisers have taken all steps to make sure that everyone has the knowledge they need to make a truly informed decision about whether someone wishes to participate or not, then it's up to the individual to choose how much personal risk they're willing to accept. For me personally though, no, that situation is far too risky, I wouldn't engage. Hmm I think I just agreed with you in a very long winded way. [:D] First... one can't be aware of all risks. All one can do is attempt make a reasonable effort to be aware of them. Second... what one will consider as risky another would consider as not. Third... when on attends a party ... one is making a decision to consent to anything and everything that is within the rules.. risks and all. You are clearly not aware of all that will occur before you attend.... and as such can't be aware of all the risks as result. But.. if you attend... you are accepting risks.... even risks you are unaware of. Secondly, you just might be at risk of those that break a rule or two. I think it would be reasonable stupid not be aware that some might break a rule or two. But... one should be reasonable assured that those running the party will deal with the rule breakers post haste. I personally find it amusing how one will be derogatory towards those that take what is preceived as greater risks than oneself would take. But, the reality is... there are somethings I will not risk not because it can't be done and enjoyed... but because my skills or situation is such that I can't or couldn't deal or accept the consequences if the risk became a reality. Some peoople can deal and accept those consequences and hats off to them. But, that doesn't make them better or dumber than me for the risks some take.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Blood and/or Vampire Play (7/1/2010 9:16:58 AM)
KoM Its the "you are a moron" if you drive slower than me and "your nuts" if you drive faster syndrome. I am saving bloodplay for someone in my future, it is something that has very erotic overtones. If anyone enjoys wank fodder, there is a story in my profile that most people don't get the symbolism of but most reading this thread should.

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