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DomKen -> Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 12:20:33 PM)

I've noticed a strange dichotomy from our conservative friends, they insist that any mention of GWB is inappropriate. That the slate must be wiped clean and Obama is responsible for everything. Now that strikes some people as strange to say the least. It is even stranger when you take a look at the conservative media over the last decade.

This clip makes the case far better than I can:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-29-2010/blame




DarlingSavage -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 12:32:44 PM)

I just saw this on TV!




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 12:45:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

I've noticed a strange dichotomy from our conservative friends, they insist that any mention of GWB is inappropriate. That the slate must be wiped clean and Obama is responsible for everything. Now that strikes some people as strange to say the least. It is even stranger when you take a look at the conservative media over the last decade.

This clip makes the case far better than I can:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-29-2010/blame


Where have you noticed that? Ive noticed conservatives saying that its about time that Obama took ownership of his own administration's failures and stop playing the blame game (which he continued today). That isnt the same as saying that "any mention of GWB is inappropriate".




Moonhead -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 12:53:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

I've noticed a strange dichotomy from our conservative friends, they insist that any mention of GWB is inappropriate. That the slate must be wiped clean and Obama is responsible for everything. Now that strikes some people as strange to say the least. It is even stranger when you take a look at the conservative media over the last decade.

This clip makes the case far better than I can:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-29-2010/blame


Where have you noticed that? Ive noticed conservatives saying that its about time that Obama took ownership of his own administration's failures and stop playing the blame game (which he continued today). That isnt the same as saying that "any mention of GWB is inappropriate".

So, just out of interest, how long did the chimp spend blaming everything bad in America on Billybob Clinton? Why was blaming the previous administration acceptable coming from him, but intolerable coming from the Kenyan?

The chimp's daddy was still whining about Carter during his single term in office, if memory serves. Why is that more acceptable than the Kenyan pointing out that your boy Dubya wrecked the economy, started a very expensive invasion without an exit plan on false pretenses, and did away with most of the minimal regulation on Wall Street that was still in place after the Reagan years?

No politician is keen to accept responsibility for anything, but insisting that those who belong to one party must do so, while those on the other side get a free ride looks a teensy bit partisan.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 1:16:09 PM)

quote:

This clip makes the case far better than I can:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-29-2010/blame


The 'Comedy Channel' and Jon Stewart's 'Daily Show'? Really? Having Stewart Little doodling pictures of Senator Sessions isn't an embarrassing enough representation of the Democrats that you need to bring the Jon Stewart's comedy show to the table as further 'evidence'?

Okay - it's ALL Bush's fault!

The second 'Bush Stimulus Package' - Lots of executive got paid who else benefited, how many jobs were created?

Bush's Afghanistan - Why did the general not support Bush's policy and insult the existing commander and chief who was only following Bush's plan? Where's the positive local conversion to rule?

Bush's GITMO - When does Bush's lease control over that situation expire?

BP Oil in the Gulf - Why did it take so long for Obama to permit foreign sources from helping who weren't permitted to do so by President Bush?

Economic Turn Around - Why did the administration follow Bush's "Declare Victory - The Summer of Turn Around' when the reality represented by many economists is that the "short and tepid recovery from the worst recession since the 1930s was fizzling."?

This is all President Bush's fault. I can't wait until 2012 when there will be the opportunity to elect a President not impotent and with the administrative skill and experience to actually do something beyond blame someone else.

EDITED TO ADD:

Forgot one, which used to be a cornerstone of the 'CHANGE!' campaign...

When will the final veneer of agenda be removed from the ongoing President Bush policy of "transparancy"? (BTW - The embedded link is a direct quote from the Bush White House - currently occupied by titular figure Obama) Seems Bush is still in charge of who has access to what based upon this report:
Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) wanted to fly 10 lawmakers down to the Gulf of Mexico to see the damage caused by BP�s gigantic oil spill first hand. House Democrats said no.




jlf1961 -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 1:16:22 PM)

Dont you folks that Dubya is in line for sainthood, you know he was the perfect president.

(and if you believe that I have some beach front property in Arizona for sale and a bridge in Brooklyn.)




rulemylife -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 1:19:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Where have you noticed that? Ive noticed conservatives saying that its about time that Obama took ownership of his own administration's failures and stop playing the blame game (which he continued today). That isnt the same as saying that "any mention of GWB is inappropriate".


It's said on here constantly, and has been since soon after Obama took office.







willbeurdaddy -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 1:24:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Where have you noticed that? Ive noticed conservatives saying that its about time that Obama took ownership of his own administration's failures and stop playing the blame game (which he continued today). That isnt the same as saying that "any mention of GWB is inappropriate".


It's said on here constantly, and has been since soon after Obama took office.






Quotes?




Moonhead -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 1:25:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Where have you noticed that? Ive noticed conservatives saying that its about time that Obama took ownership of his own administration's failures and stop playing the blame game (which he continued today). That isnt the same as saying that "any mention of GWB is inappropriate".


It's said on here constantly, and has been since soon after Obama took office.



If memory serves Rush Limbaugh was talking about "the Obama recession" before the lad was sworn in...




jlf1961 -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 1:31:08 PM)

Okay, here are a few questions I would like to ask, although I am sure the conservatives on these boards will of course deny the truth.

1) Who got us involved in two wars, one of which there was no legitimate reason for invading another country?
2) Who was the President that lifted the offshore drilling ban on deep water drilling AND had a completely false report filed on how safe the drilling was?
3) Who finished deregulating Wall Street which led directly to the economic crisis we now face?
4) Who lied 3 times about the reasons we invaded Iraq, AND was proven to have lied by the mainstream media?




LadyEllen -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 1:40:34 PM)

Fabrications jlf! Sources?

Now, a question for you; "are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?"

E




rulemylife -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 1:44:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


The 'Comedy Channel' and Jon Stewart's 'Daily Show'? Really? Having Stewart Little doodling pictures of Senator Sessions isn't an embarrassing enough representation of the Democrats that you need to bring the Jon Stewart's comedy show to the table as further 'evidence'?

Okay - it's ALL Bush's fault!

The second 'Bush Stimulus Package' - Lots of executive got paid who else benefited, how many jobs were created?

Bush's Afghanistan - Why did the general not support Bush's policy and insult the existing commander and chief who was only following Bush's plan? Where's the positive local conversion to rule?

Bush's GITMO - When does Bush's lease control over that situation expire?

BP Oil in the Gulf - Why did it take so long for Obama to permit foreign sources from helping who weren't permitted to do so by President Bush?

Economic Turn Around - Why did the administration follow Bush's "Declare Victory - The Summer of Turn Around' when the reality represented by many economists is that the "short and tepid recovery from the worst recession since the 1930s was fizzling."?

This is all President Bush's fault. I can't wait until 2012 when there will be the opportunity to elect a President not impotent and with the administrative skill and experience to actually do something beyond blame someone else.




You missed the point completely.

No has ever said it is all Bush's fault as many conservatives and the Fox News clip imply.  But he does bear a certain amount of responsibility for many failed policies as well as the inadequate oversight of MMS.

But you and Fox & Friends are telling us that, for some reason, Bush holds no blame because Obama is President.

As if the slate was magically wiped clean when he took the oath of office.

Yet you, Fox, and many conservatives find no problem in going back to decisions made by Carter and Clinton to excuse any of Bush's failed policies in many different areas.







Moonhead -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 1:51:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


The 'Comedy Channel' and Jon Stewart's 'Daily Show'? Really? Having Stewart Little doodling pictures of Senator Sessions isn't an embarrassing enough representation of the Democrats that you need to bring the Jon Stewart's comedy show to the table as further 'evidence'?

Okay - it's ALL Bush's fault!

The second 'Bush Stimulus Package' - Lots of executive got paid who else benefited, how many jobs were created?

Bush's Afghanistan - Why did the general not support Bush's policy and insult the existing commander and chief who was only following Bush's plan? Where's the positive local conversion to rule?

Bush's GITMO - When does Bush's lease control over that situation expire?

BP Oil in the Gulf - Why did it take so long for Obama to permit foreign sources from helping who weren't permitted to do so by President Bush?

Economic Turn Around - Why did the administration follow Bush's "Declare Victory - The Summer of Turn Around' when the reality represented by many economists is that the "short and tepid recovery from the worst recession since the 1930s was fizzling."?

This is all President Bush's fault. I can't wait until 2012 when there will be the opportunity to elect a President not impotent and with the administrative skill and experience to actually do something beyond blame someone else.




You missed the point completely.

No has ever said it is all Bush's fault as many conservatives and the Fox News clip imply.  But he does bear a certain amount of responsibility for many failed policies as well as the inadequate oversight of MMS.

But you and Fox & Friends are telling us that, for some reason, Bush holds no blame because Obama is President.

As if the slate was magically wiped clean when he took the oath of office.

Yet you, Fox, and many conservatives find no problem in going back to decisions made by Carter and Clinton to excuse any of Bush's failed policies in many different areas.


Why do you hate America?




jlf1961 -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 1:58:52 PM)

Anyone that watched the news knows that dubya's claims of "Iraqi WMD's" was false, Iraqi support of Al Qaeda was false, and Iraqi support of other terrorist organizations was also false.  Go to fact check. org and learn for yourself.

There is also the point that it was a Bush administration report that stated that deepwater offshore drilling had no risk, Bush was the president that authorized deepwater drilling after ending the Presidential Moratorium on offshore drilling.

Finally there is http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/business/worldbusiness/20iht-prexy.4.16321064.html?_r=1

quote:

These experts, from both political parties, say Bush's early personnel choices and overarching antipathy toward regulation created a climate that, if it did not trigger the turmoil, almost certainly aggravated it. The president's first two Treasury secretaries, for instance, lacked the kind of Wall Street expertise that might have helped them raise red flags about the use of complex financial instruments at the heart of the crisis.To his credit, Bush accurately foresaw the danger posed by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, and began calling as early as 2002 for greater regulation of the mortgage giants. But experts say the administration could have done even more to curb excesses in the housing market, and much more to police Wall Street, which transmitted those problems around the world.





rulemylife -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 2:00:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Where have you noticed that? Ive noticed conservatives saying that its about time that Obama took ownership of his own administration's failures and stop playing the blame game (which he continued today). That isnt the same as saying that "any mention of GWB is inappropriate".


It's said on here constantly, and has been since soon after Obama took office.






Quotes?


Willbeur, I can easily provide you with many but I'm asking myself why I should?

You never document a single thing you post and you have the nerve to ask for proof?

Even when you are asked to cite your sources you tell other people it is their responsibility to prove what you said is wrong.

You even have a thread going right now that has no link to back what you say.

You post quotes with no citations, apparently because we should know you are a trustworthy guy.

So taking a page from your book, scroll to the top of the screen and you will find the search function.  There you will find all kinds of comments made to the effect that any mention of Bush is "liberal whining".




juliaoceania -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 2:02:41 PM)

I saw the clip...


The only time I see "Fox and Friends" is through the lens of John Stewart... seriously, it is the only way they were intended to be viewed




Mercnbeth -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 2:07:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead
Why do you hate America?

[sm=rofl.gif]

It that representation of the expected Democratic talking point response against any point of reality represented in November? Any challenge regarding any current problem represents a hatred of America?

Weak!

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

You missed the point completely.

No has ever said it is all Bush's fault as many conservatives and the Fox News clip imply. But he does bear a certain amount of responsibility for many failed policies as well as the inadequate oversight of MMS


No - you continue to miss the point completely. I don't speak for "many conservatives" and I've not watched FOX as a source of news since 9/11.

Any administrator would 'own' the results of everything under their control. Why not Obama? Better yet, why do the Obama supporters consistently make him look so impotent as an administrator by pointing back to prior stipulated failures? How does that make Obama look stronger? More to the point, how does that solve any of the problems?




rulemylife -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 2:07:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I saw the clip...


The only time I see "Fox and Friends" is through the lens of John Stewart... seriously, it is the only way they were intended to be viewed


Then you don't know what you are missing.

It's much funnier when you watch them live.




juliaoceania -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 2:16:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I saw the clip...


The only time I see "Fox and Friends" is through the lens of John Stewart... seriously, it is the only way they were intended to be viewed


Then you don't know what you are missing.

It's much funnier when you watch them live.


I made the mistake of dismissing Glenn Beck when he first started as just a nutbag that was sent by the Almighty to entertain me on slow news days... I learned the hard way, never underestimate the power of loonies to attract a following...

As such watching Fox and Friends would just possibly scare me, because I would be thinking about the millions of people that mistake them for real news




Moonhead -> RE: Who's to blame? (6/30/2010 2:20:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead
Why do you hate America?

[sm=rofl.gif]

It that representation of the expected Democratic talking point response against any point of reality represented in November? Any challenge regarding any current problem represents a hatred of America?

Weak!

No, if memory serves it was the reply your lot had to any criticism of the chimp between 2000 and 2008. I'm surprised you don't remember that one. "Letting the terrorists win" was another popular line, iirc.




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