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Brain -> How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 12:03:34 AM)
It’s about bloody time the troops come home to their families. What a waste of taxpayers’ money this fiasco has been – at least some families figured out a way to better their lives. How about using some Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples’ social security? Iraq: Iraqis buying tons of U.S. military surplus items - latimes.com Much of the withdrawal has already happened, barely noticed by a populace weary of war and more anxious about what comes next than what has gone before. Since troop levels peaked at 166,000 in 2007, about 80,000 have left. An additional 35,000 or so will go in the next two months, in fulfillment of President Obama's pledge to reduce the size of the force to 50,000 by Sept. 1. Moving the people is easy, commanders say. It's the equipment — 1.7 million items from 405 bases — that has posed the biggest logistical challenge. About 1.1 million pieces have been removed, snaking south out of the country at night on convoys bound for Kuwait. The pace will accelerate in the coming weeks, as the military dispatches 600,000 more items, including tanks, computers, and radar and surveillance equipment, U.S. officials say. http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fg-iraq-american-junk-20100701,0,2070659.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fnews+%28L.A.+Times+-+Top+News%29 Munir Ibrahim Ismail and his family live on the outskirts of Fallouja, in a trailer home converted from a U.S. military latrine. (Liz Sly / Los Angeles Times) [image]local://upfiles/392475/31C5A22276884D74BFBEA112014F13BC.jpg[/image]

willbeurdaddy -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 12:14:39 AM)
Wow, Brain supporting a conservative idea, who'da thunk. Unfortunately the lefties would scream "We told you it was all about oil", so no politician would dare touch oil revenues, even though we are the reason they will exist.

Brain -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 12:37:32 AM)
I’m pragmatic and objective these days and will support what works/makes sense or is best for the American people, whether it’s an idea from the left or right – people change/evolve. I am no longer a right wing ideological brainwashed conservative or liberal extremist. I don’t think people on the left will object as strongly as you say - I would like to hear comments if I’m wrong about this. The war has been costly in lives and dollars - U.S. taxpayers are entitled to some relief. Bill

willbeurdaddy -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 8:00:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain I’m pragmatic and objective these days and will support what works/makes sense or is best for the American people, whether it’s an idea from the left or right – people change/evolve. I am no longer a right wing ideological brainwashed conservative or liberal extremist. I don’t think people on the left will object as strongly as you say - I would like to hear comments if I’m wrong about this. The war has been costly in lives and dollars - U.S. taxpayers are entitled to some relief. Bill Link the article and support the idea at HuffPo and see the reaction you get, if there isnt already a thread.

LadyEllen -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 8:46:21 AM)
Use Iraq oil revenues to cut the US deficit? Am I understanding this correctly? The proposition is to violate again the sovereignty of another state and steal its resources? What about nation building? What about regime change for the sake of the Iraqi people? What about a cut for the rest of us suckered into this adventure? Might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb. Thus endeth our pretence to be the good guys. E

Musicmystery -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 8:53:08 AM)
quote: How about using some Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples’ social security? Well, B, we still like to pretend that Iraqi oil belongs to Iraq.

flcouple2009 -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 9:21:13 AM)
So if we start taking the oil revenues doesn't that kill the argument that the war wasn't about oil?

willbeurdaddy -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 10:00:01 AM)
FR QED

Moonhead -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social sec (7/1/2010 10:26:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 So if we start taking the oil revenues doesn't that kill the argument that the war wasn't about oil? Are there any oil revenues in the first place? I thought Haliburton had been failing miserably to export any oil since Hussein was deposed. These beastly jihadists blowing up the pipes and stuff...

willbeurdaddy -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social sec (7/1/2010 11:07:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 So if we start taking the oil revenues doesn't that kill the argument that the war wasn't about oil? Are there any oil revenues in the first place? I thought Haliburton had been failing miserably to export any oil since Hussein was deposed. These beastly jihadists blowing up the pipes and stuff... A little less than 2 million barrels a day, about 2/3 of their maximum production capacity.

Brain -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 1:59:10 PM)
If you want to live in fantasyland suit yourself but virtually everyone believed from the beginning, especially Iraqis, it was about oil. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: How about using some Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples’ social security? Well, B, we still like to pretend that Iraqi oil belongs to Iraq.

Brain -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 2:10:19 PM)
What about putting the American people first for a change? There is still a lot of rebuilding to do in the United States. If you don't like Tony Blair's decisions it's up to you to deal with that how you want. What about the Iraqi people not being corrupt and destroying their chance to build their nation? Bill quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen Use Iraq oil revenues to cut the US deficit? Am I understanding this correctly? The proposition is to violate again the sovereignty of another state and steal its resources? What about nation building? What about regime change for the sake of the Iraqi people? What about a cut for the rest of us suckered into this adventure? Might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb. Thus endeth our pretence to be the good guys. E

Moonhead -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social sec (7/1/2010 2:17:45 PM)
Precisely what chance are they being given to rebuild their nation, pray tell? The last American government put a bunch of shi'ite quislings (who'll last about as long as a soap goldfish once the yanks leave) in power and left it at that. Most of the country's infrastructure is still trashed, and the sort of Sharia fixated headcases that the Americans are supposed to be down on are tightening their grip on the bits of the country that aren't being protected by foreign military forces. Yep. Mission accomplished, all right.

Brain -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 2:18:20 PM)
This war should have been over several years ago. The Iraqi people needed to step up a long time ago and cooperate with American troops to expel Al Qaeda from the country, to bring stability and start building their nation. Instead many qualified well educated people fled and abandoned their country. In addition others have been involved in corruption and hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars are lost, stolen or missing. It's unreasonable for Iraqi’s to expect not to have to make any financial contribution whatsoever. Removing Saddam Hussein from power was significant, something other countries could not accomplish easily and it's only fair they should pay something back. If you want a cut then it's up to you to take what you need. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen Use Iraq oil revenues to cut the US deficit? Am I understanding this correctly? The proposition is to violate again the sovereignty of another state and steal its resources? What about nation building? What about regime change for the sake of the Iraqi people? What about a cut for the rest of us suckered into this adventure? Might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb. Thus endeth our pretence to be the good guys. E

Owner59 -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 2:18:29 PM)
Well,it`s their oil.And it`their deficits that it should go to pay down. I suggest we find out who voted for bush(that`s possible,....now)and take it out their hides,one dollar at a time.......with interest. And charge the dopes who voted for bush twice.......double.....for being double dumb.

Moonhead -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social sec (7/1/2010 2:21:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Well,it`s their oil.And it`their deficits that it should go to pay down. Don't talk such rot. It's Haliburton's oil.

thornhappy -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 6:54:35 PM)
"Al-Quaeda in Mesopotamia" is not the same as Al-Quaeda a la Mohammed bin Laden. There weren't any Al-Quaeda of any type in Iraq until after we hung around for a few years. btw, by such reasoning we should claim money from Pakistan...that's where AQ's gone off to nowadays. quote: ORIGINAL: Brain This war should have been over several years ago. The Iraqi people needed to step up a long time ago and cooperate with American troops to expel Al Qaeda from the country, to bring stability and start building their nation. Instead many qualified well educated people fled and abandoned their country. In addition others have been involved in corruption and hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars are lost, stolen or missing. It's unreasonable for Iraqi’s to expect not to have to make any financial contribution whatsoever. Removing Saddam Hussein from power was significant, something other countries could not accomplish easily and it's only fair they should pay something back. If you want a cut then it's up to you to take what you need. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen Use Iraq oil revenues to cut the US deficit? Am I understanding this correctly? The proposition is to violate again the sovereignty of another state and steal its resources? What about nation building? What about regime change for the sake of the Iraqi people? What about a cut for the rest of us suckered into this adventure? Might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb. Thus endeth our pretence to be the good guys. E

vincentML -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 6:58:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain If you want to live in fantasyland suit yourself but virtually everyone believed from the beginning, especially Iraqis, it was about oil. I generally sympathize with the spirit of your politics on this issue but the above statement is bogus. We were clearly told the war was about avoiding a nuclear cloud over the United States. I even recall some nonesense about Saddam using balloons to float his WMDs across out shore line. [8\|] The corollary issue was the neoconservative vision of exporting Western style democracy to the Middle East.

DarkSteven -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/1/2010 7:53:21 PM)
We're supposed to be in Iraq until it can take care of itself. Taking away their oil will prolong that day quite a bit, and I argue that it would cost more if we took the oil. Of course, there's a damn good chance that we will pull out before that point...

vincentML -> RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples social securit (7/2/2010 11:36:56 AM)
quote: This war should have been over several years ago. The Iraqi people needed to step up a long time ago and cooperate with American troops to expel Al Qaeda from the country, to bring stability and start building their nation. Instead many qualified well educated people fled and abandoned their country. The Iraqi people did step up ... they stepped up into a civil war between Sunni and Shiite and Brit/America was caught in the middle. We were forewarned it would play out that way but did we listen? Fuk no. The Outlaw BushCheneyRummyWolfie went ahead with their criminal war regardless of the consequences. The American people for the most part remained silent. I don't know about the Brits but we aquiesed. There is only one real solution to bring a halt to these serial wars..... reinstitute the Draft and share the pain. Let these dumbass Congressmen put their own children and grandchildren on the line. Maybe we should have a Constitutional Amendment that would automatically enlist the children and grandchildren of Congressmen into rifle units, so the decision makers would have some real skin in the game.

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