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tazzygirl -> Presidential ranking: FDR the best, Obama #15, George W. among the worst (7/1/2010 10:22:47 AM)

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The 238 participating presidential scholars round out the top five in order with Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. Teddy Roosevelt had, more than any other president the “right stuff”, and tops the collective ranking of a cluster of personal qualities including imagination, integrity, intelligence, luck, background, and being willing to take risks. Lincoln, according to the experts, demonstrated the greatest presidential abilities while FDR ranks first in overall accomplishments.


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Over two hundred presidential scholars ranked the 43 U.S. Presidents on six personal attributes (background, imagination, integrity, intelligence, luck and willingness to take risks), five forms of ability (compromising, executive, leadership, communication and overall) and eight areas of accomplishment including economic, other domestic affairs, working with Congress and their party, appointing supreme court justices and members of the executive branch, avoiding mistakes and foreign policy.


Other notables...

The current president, Barack Obama, while highly rated on imagination (6th), communication ability (7th) and intelligence (8th) scores poorly on background (family, education and experience) and enters the survey in the 15th position.

George W. Bush, had entered the survey at 23rd when the study was last conducted one year into his first term. Today, just one year after leaving office, the former president has found himself in the bottom five at 39th rated especially poorly in handling the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence.

Rounding out the bottom five are four presidents that have held that dubious distinction each time the survey has been conducted: Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, and Franklin Pierce.

Andrew Johnson leads the ‘worst ever’ in both abilities and accomplishments finishing below both Buchanan and Harding, but Harding tops the worst in personal attributes including integrity where he finishes just slightly ahead of Richard M. Nixon.

“Aside from the newest entry in the “Bottom Five”, George W. Bush, the others have a firm hold on this ignominious distinction. Three, Pierce, Buchanan and Andrew Johnson wrap around one of our finest presidents, Abe Lincoln and those three perennial poorly ranked are held responsible for a failure to avert the Civil War in the case of Pierce and Buchanan, and perhaps even more shamefully in Johnson, prolonging the national disgrace with a prejudiced, Jim Crow, reconstruction,” according to Professor Tom Kelly, Professor of History and American Studies, emeritus Siena College and the study’s other director. “Harding, well, no one appreciates corruption nor accepts ineptitude as an excuse.”


Bill Clinton, now nearly ten years removed from the White House, moved upwards in the rankings from 18th overall in 2002 to 13th today. Clinton moved up the list based on improving ratings of his background and his executive appointments but continued to be haunted by his integrity and failure to avoid critical mistakes. G. H. Bush’s legacy held constant with the one term Bush fixed at 22nd.

Ronald Reagan dropped two places from 16th overall in 2002 to 18th today. Still, Reagan remains highly regarded for his luck, party leadership, communication ability, relationship with Congress and his leadership ability.

Jimmy Carter, despite continuing visibility and philanthropic efforts, dropped from 25th in 2002 to 32nd in 2010. Carter’s high suit is his enviable integrity rating (7th) but he draws low marks for his handling of the economy, relationship with Congress, party leadership, luck, executive and leadership abilities and his failure to avoid crucial mistakes.

Among other historically recent presidents, Gerald Ford held steady at 28th, Richard Nixon dropped four spots from 26th to 30th, Lyndon Johnson, rated number one for his relationship with Congress, fell one place from 15th to 16th, and John Kennedy climbed three spots from 14th to 11th. Kennedy continues to be highly regarded for his communication (4th), ability to compromise (6th), executive appointments (6th), imagination (7th) and his handling of the U.S. economy (7th).


http://uticadailynews.com/utica_daily_focus/15514-Presidential-ranking-FDR-the-best-Obama-George-among-the-worst.html

I ended up posting most if not all of the article. I found it interesting and wondered if anyone else agrees or disagrees and why.




Fellow -> RE: Presidential ranking: FDR the best, Obama #15, George W. among the worst (7/1/2010 11:24:28 AM)

Obama clearly should not be included: too early to make any assessments. 




tazzygirl -> RE: Presidential ranking: FDR the best, Obama #15, George W. among the worst (7/1/2010 11:28:45 AM)

On that i completely agree. Way too soon to evaluate his performance.




LaTigresse -> RE: Presidential ranking: FDR the best, Obama #15, George W. among the worst (7/1/2010 11:35:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Obama clearly should not be included: too early to make any assessments. 


Agreed.





AsmodaisSin -> RE: Presidential ranking: FDR the best, Obama #15, George W. among the worst (7/1/2010 1:22:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Obama clearly should not be included: too early to make any assessments. 


That I can agree on. 




Jeffff -> RE: Presidential ranking: FDR the best, Obama #15, George W. among the worst (7/1/2010 2:08:05 PM)

Wow..... me too.

If folks are gonna agree, this thread will need to be moved.

I am thinking....humor?




LaTigresse -> RE: Presidential ranking: FDR the best, Obama #15, George W. among the worst (7/1/2010 2:40:21 PM)

Something..........although, maybe the  far right nutters just haven't found it yet. Still potential to be interesting there. 




xBullx -> RE: Presidential ranking: FDR the best, Obama #15, George W. among the worst (7/1/2010 2:52:12 PM)

My bet is, if the Wall Street Journal did this same survey, poll or editorial opinion their list would be rather different.

Sure would be neat to see something like this that had no political leanings.




joether -> RE: Presidential ranking: FDR the best, Obama #15, George W. among the worst (7/1/2010 3:08:26 PM)

The primary problem, with ranking presidents, is, often not basing it on reality. Yes, we have quite the selection of evidence, to view Carter, Reagan, Bush (Sr), Clinton, Bush (Jr), and even Obama. There are people, whom are living today, that have met one or more of these gentleman, and can retell the issues. TV, radio, and newspaper publications on their daily struggles can be found in volumes. There are people that will push one or more presidents, as being 'the best', and those who are the 'worst'. This could be by the person's individual thoughts, or simply how they vote (i.e. a Democrats rates Democrat Presidents as better).

A person like President Washington, Adams, or Jackson, are only listed in history under limited knowledge. They were not interviewed on TV, cable, or the Internet (or even youttube.com). There was not even the scale of reporters, and pseudo-reporters (i.e. Fox News), hounding any of these men. Nor, is there anyone living today, that had met these men in person and could retell their impression of the person.

Yes, we as Americans, have our favorite American Presidents. For all sorts of reasons. But to try to rank/rate them in a fashion, without taking in to account the above thoughts, is simply silly. It becomes a popularity contest, not a contest based solely on merit (like each of these contests seeks to portray).





thompsonx -> RE: Presidential ranking: FDR the best, Obama #15, George W. among the worst (7/2/2010 5:20:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

The primary problem, with ranking presidents, is, often not basing it on reality. Yes, we have quite the selection of evidence, to view Carter, Reagan, Bush (Sr), Clinton, Bush (Jr), and even Obama. There are people, whom are living today, that have met one or more of these gentleman, and can retell the issues. TV, radio, and newspaper publications on their daily struggles can be found in volumes. There are people that will push one or more presidents, as being 'the best', and those who are the 'worst'. This could be by the person's individual thoughts, or simply how they vote (i.e. a Democrats rates Democrat Presidents as better).

A person like President Washington, Adams, or Jackson, are only listed in history under limited knowledge. They were not interviewed on TV, cable, or the Internet (or even youttube.com). There was not even the scale of reporters, and pseudo-reporters (i.e. Fox News), hounding any of these men. Nor, is there anyone living today, that had met these men in person and could retell their impression of the person.

Yes, we as Americans, have our favorite American Presidents. For all sorts of reasons. But to try to rank/rate them in a fashion, without taking in to account the above thoughts, is simply silly. It becomes a popularity contest, not a contest based solely on merit (like each of these contests seeks to portray).





I think anyone still alive should not even be on the list.
History gives us a pretty good look at the dead ones.




slvemike4u -> RE: Presidential ranking: FDR the best, Obama #15, George W. among the worst (7/4/2010 9:46:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

My bet is, if the Wall Street Journal did this same survey, poll or editorial opinion their list would be rather different.

Sure would be neat to see something like this that had no political leanings.
So it's your belief that were the WSJ to pose the same questions....and ask the same 238 Presidential historians,uasing the same criteria and guidelines as The Utican Daily News did...the answers would be different?
Or perhaps your asserting that the WSJ criteria and guidelines might be quite different ? Hell the WSJ might just go and find themselves 238 different Presidential Historians.......Do we actually have that many Presidential historians floating around?
How do all of these guys support themselves?




vincentML -> RE: Presidential ranking: FDR the best, Obama #15, George W. among the worst (7/5/2010 7:31:51 AM)

Great post, Tazzy. My concern is that Harry Truman is not mentioned in the article. He was confronted with an enormous task when he entered office upon FDR's death. Was not even aware of the Manhatten Project and yet made the most controversial decision in hindsight to drop the Bomb on Hiroshima and again on Nagasaki. Harry was a tough little guy. I thought he should rank pretty high on the list.




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