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I gotta suck it up and agree with Rich on this one, Owner. Obama made a decision during his campaign rhetoric to set himself off from Bush. After he was elected he studied the matter for months, let himself be persuaded by the generals, and then reluctantly agreed to compromise numbers of new troops with a withdrawal date that is no longer a withdrawal date. What a mistake.
He is fighting a war against the Taliban, who are not a monolith but a diverse group of Pashtun tribes, for the purpose of driving out al Quaida who has already departed according to Leon Peneta and taken up residence elsewhere. We are spending hundreds of billions of dollars and coalition lives to support a corrupt govt that stole the election and is funneling billions of bucks outta the country which we wish to make into a western democracy from a wide patch in the road. Oh hell, they don't even have roads. So, we will build roads for them while our infra-structure crumbles.
Once again we are mired in a foreign land with an obscure mission and a vanashing exit strategy.
Fuck all. Our Pols are so stupid.
I have to respectfully disagree.Yes Obama did say he would change strategy and he did.He campaigned on it and got flack from McGramps and the rest over it.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/15/mccain.foreign.policy/index.html
On day one practically,he sent more troops and equipment there.The military`s request for more troops got a no from the cheney administration,but a yes from the Obama admin.It was the right thing to do,after years of neglect by dick bush.
Obama said from day one that he`d end the Iraq war(responsibly)and would send more troops to the real war on terror,Afghanistan.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/15/obama.iraq/index.html
"Sen. Barack Obama called the war in Iraq a "dangerous distraction" Tuesday and said more emphasis must be placed on the battle in Afghanistan.
"As should have been apparent to President Bush and Sen. [John] McCain, the central front in the war on terror is not Iraq, and it never was," Obama said in what his campaign called a major policy address on Iraq, Afghanistan and national security.
Obama said that part of his new strategy will be "taking the fight to al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan."
Shortly after Obama's speech, McCain attacked the Illinois senator's opposition to the surge policy in Iraq and highlighted his own proposal for victory in Afghanistan. Read what McCain says about Obama's plan
"Sen. Obama is departing soon on a trip abroad that will include a fact-finding mission to Iraq and Afghanistan. And I note that he is speaking today about his plans for Iraq and Afghanistan before he has even left, before he has talked to Gen. [David] Petraeus, before he has seen the progress in Iraq and before he has set foot in Afghanistan for the first time," McCain said."
"In my experience, fact-finding missions usually work best the other way around: First, you assess the facts on the ground; then you present a new strategy."
Obama said that on his first day in office he would give the military a new mission: ending the war in Iraq"
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His West Point speech on Afghanistan will explain a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN4E0rs27JQ&feature=fvw
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I understand that there are those who are against war in general and don`t believe in it, as a rule.I respect that.War is the very very very last thing that should be done.Not the 1st.
There`s a good argument for using restraint and being ultra careful that the mission and decision to go to war is worthy of the young man and women who will be doing the dying and killing.
But there are times when we must fight.But we had better fucking made sure we have to.Not just want to,ie bush.
As the President has said,our enemies are planning attacks as we type.They`re on the Afghan-Pakistan mountain border and we must not allow them any rest.We`re not fighting all of Afghanistan or all of it`s hundreds of tribes.We are fight 2 or 3 tribes along the border w/ Pakistan.
Given some time and a serious forum,I think I could convince a peace lover that the Afhgan mission is worthy.
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But Steele,rich and the other extremists aren`t peacenicks or for getting the 9/11 perps either, or for preventing further attacks.
They are more concerned and interested with bashing the President.
But that`s cool.Like I said,our best weapon against republicans is to let republicans talk.
So far everyone, including many republicans want Steele to quit.
Everyone except the party`s radicals,like rich and wilbur and luckydog.They agree with Steele.
This is perfect,tho.Right before the election,the head of the GOP get`s sacked and a new one must be elected and take over.It`ll be months before the new guy get`s up to speed.
Or Steele will stay and provide a great target and distraction.
Lots of tumult and angst.Lots of news stories and questions.Questions about the GObP`s ability to govern.
Like Sarah,this is another gift from God .
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It`s not just our troops in the fight,either.
Today I heard on NPR today that Pakistan`s oldest mosque(more than 1100 years old) was bombed,killing 40 and wounding many more.It was a mosque of a moderate Muslim sect that was very liberal,allowing non-Muslims inside along with many other liberal traditions that go against Wahhabi-ism,the fundie belief system of the radicals/terrorists.
< Message edited by Owner59 -- 7/3/2010 12:46:22 AM >
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