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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 12:49:48 PM   
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Were I you....I'd be asking myself: a) why did I choose my body to attract a man b) how does this tie in with feminism?


a) If you'll check out my profile, I chose my body AND my mind to attract a man, though I fully admit I chose to use my body. It actually gives me a fantastic screening method, because how people choose to deal with my picture when they write to me says a lot about whether or not we are going to get along. This only applies when I'm actively looking for someone, but I don't feel like I should have to take my picture down when I'm taken.

b) Like I said, I don't think it has anything to do with feminism. Everyone on every dating website ever uses their body or face to attract people, and I don't have the liberty of showing my face on here, because I'm worried it would have an effect on both my acting career and whatever I go into in grad school. Plus it would kill my mother


*edited because it's a career, and not a profession

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 12:54:24 PM   
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I don't particularly think that feminism is not letting people see your tits. Though I'll have to give that one more thought...


It's not about whether feminism is not letting someone see your tits, but are you going to let someone dictate to you what is or isn't right for you as a person, let alone a woman.

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 12:54:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the other hand, should a woman cover herself in some kind of shroud as if to hide her femininity?




Oh, btw, you have some femininity in your mailbox.

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 12:56:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

a) why did I choose my body to attract a man
Because feminism doesn't mean we have to give up taking joy in our bodies-it's ok to want men, it's ok to want to be wanted by men (I know, I know, so says the lesbian, lol...). Sex is a large part of D/s for many people-is she supposed to pretend it isn't, and that she's striving for some higher asexual ideal?

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b) how does this tie in with feminism?
Simple answer: *she's* in control of her image on this site-she's chosen a level of exposure she feels comfortable with. Imagine I've copy-pasted some 'lapdancing is feminist and empowering!' stuff in here and just changed 'lapdancing' for 'posting pictures on a BDSM site'.

I'll have to get back to you on the 'More complicated answer:', because I got as far as typing the colon and hit an articulacy mindblock. If nobody says what I want to say before I work out how to say it I'll post again later.


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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 1:04:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lol. I adore you, VaguelyCurious - you totally know what you're talking about. Yes, that's what I mean, thank you

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 1:12:20 PM   
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Lol. I adore you, VaguelyCurious - you totally know what you're talking about. Yes, that's what I mean, thank you
Yay, thankyou and you're welcome! (in that order)


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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 1:23:30 PM   
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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 1:55:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Gotta ask the OP.....why are you placing your body on show for the world to see? Feminism is nothing if not the idea that a woman should not hold her body........tits/tit/barely concealed nipple to be precise in this case......as the definition of her appeal......a woman must overcome the notion that the woman exists in large part as the object of male libidinal desire (according to feminist doctrine).


I strongly disagree with the sentiment, and that this is "feminist doctrine" - It's a view held by some feminists, but absolutely by no means all of them.

Feminism is ABSOLUTELY about a woman's right to "hold her body........tits/tit/barely concealed nipple to be precise in this case......as the definition of her appeal" if she chooses, or not to.

It is ABSOLUTELY about her right not to get lectured by dudes on what is appropriate or inappropriate in terms of her behaviour as a woman.


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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 1:58:11 PM   
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I bet her Master would be pretty fucking relaxed with the little slut e-humping all comers.

How would we know?



I think you're being really unfair, and tbh I am very surprised at your reaction. It was just very light hearted banter...

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 2:15:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BentUnit
I bet her Master would be pretty fucking relaxed with the little slut e-humping all comers.


I think you're being really unfair, and tbh I am very surprised at your reaction. It was just very light hearted banter...


I'm finding it a little ironic that the only person I don't want looking at my picture is BentUnit. Her I would like to cover up in front of. What on earth was that about? It was so vicious, and came out of nowhere.

Sometimes I wonder if it's possible to go through a day on the boards unscathed.

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 2:17:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it matters not at all if a beautiful woman wishes to show a beautiful photo of herself. I think it takes away nothing of her strength unless SHE FEELS it is so.

It degrades her no more than the many photos of men displaying their various attributes. How many men have photos exagerating their arms, chest, various toys? How many dominant women have photos displaying their legs, feet, breasts, motorcycles...whatever they are proud of and identify with as attractive about them. I dare you to tell Bull he is degrading men or himself because of his photos, yet they are the male version of Juju's. I dare you to tell LadyA that showing her legs is degrading to herself yet......they are a photo of a display of a very feminine part of her body that she is proud of. I've seen many men comment on that photo.

To show what we see as attractive about ourselves is human nature. It is a fool that will use that to suggest otherwise. Even Bent is showing part of her body she believes is attractive. Whether a nipple is showing or not is a puritanical bit of bullshit.

Based upon my life experience, the women that talk badly about other women that show their bodies are usually showing their own insecurity. The men that do it are usually showing their anger that the woman doing the showing, is one they perceive as out of their reach.

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 2:18:50 PM   
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[Edit to clarify that "bingo" is used to signify my hearty agreement with LaT]

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 2:37:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

Well, aren't you just a bucket of sunshine.



HEY!!!  DON'T GO BLAMING ME!!!


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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 2:43:35 PM   
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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 2:49:11 PM   
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Maybe we should invent something...oh, I don't know, something like a Burka?


Grin.

[And apols again for misunderstanding you earlier - it was me setting my own JD off.]

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 2:52:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I think it matters not at all if a beautiful woman wishes to show a beautiful photo of herself. I think it takes away nothing of her strength unless SHE FEELS it is so.

It degrades her no more than the many photos of men displaying their various attributes. How many men have photos exagerating their arms, chest, various toys? How many dominant women have photos displaying their legs, feet, breasts, motorcycles...whatever they are proud of and identify with as attractive about them. I dare you to tell Bull he is degrading men or himself because of his photos, yet they are the male version of Juju's. I dare you to tell LadyA that showing her legs is degrading to herself yet......they are a photo of a display of a very feminine part of her body that she is proud of. I've seen many men comment on that photo.



I notice, LaT, that my petals did not make your list.  Maybe they make me look fat.


Go on girl.  Freedom to cover oneself is the same as the freedom to take it off.  It's a wonderfully feminist thing to be open and nude.

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 3:08:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just out of curiosity is there any choice a woman actively makes that is not considered feminist?

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 3:10:29 PM   
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Shit...That only empowers her. No more licking my asshole or piss for you!!!!

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 3:21:17 PM   
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Just out of curiosity is there any choice a woman actively makes that is not considered feminist?


On one level, you just wrote the most elegant post in the thread. However, ones choices are constrained by society, the choices of a woman living in one of the more whacked out Muslim extremist looney bins might actively make a choice but of what choices can she choose? To wear a burka or be stoned to death? Both active choices, but neither what most here would consider free.

A woman choosing to submit to man in a very overt way is frowned upon in our wider society, a man choosing to do so to a woman is a laughing stock in our society, so both decisions are not fully open to them, however, the social cost is a bit less than being stoned to death.

Society frames what sort of choices we even can conceptualize and changes in society or things like technology can change the choices we have open to us. Birth control suddenly "allowed" women to enjoy sex for pleasure in the same risk free way men had been able to do since the dawn of time. That had a profound effect on the choices available for women now that they were freed from the risk of pregnancy.

(for those who seek targets for potshots, the above is not an editorial on the value of children, mothers, sex, muslims, or anything other than examples to explore the concept of choice)

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RE: Feminism and submission - 7/5/2010 3:23:43 PM   
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HEY!!!  DON'T GO BLAMING ME!!!




I really like you.

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