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Michael75 -> Extreme porn law back in the news. (UK) (7/5/2010 12:27:16 AM)

Well, the coalition government is seeking excuses to repeal some of the dumber laws passed by the last lot and so they've created http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/

It seems only fair to me that we help give them the excuse to get rid of the new censorship laws. Statistically there ought to be hundreds of kinky people within the government, who will no doubt thank us for enabling them to get the law changed.

Yes, I did just call this a good thing and self-serving in the same breath. It's politics.




LadyEllen -> RE: Extreme porn law back in the news. (UK) (7/5/2010 2:21:19 AM)

We did this subject to death Michael.

Of the four categories of prohibited image, which do you think ought to be possessed freely, notwithstanding that other much earlier legislation prohibits their publication?

The only amendments I would make would be to remove any suggestion of strict liability (s66, 1&2 notwithstanding) - after all one might quite inadvertently download a prohibited image and the computer might store it and one might never know it had, and to make it much clearer what is meant by "serious injury" by direct reference to the OAPA - as it appears, a "serious injury" should have to be at minimum akin to that suffered in GBH but it has not been made precise enough, leading to ideas (running rampant) that images attributable as battery or ABH (the bread and butter of S/M) might risk prosecution. 

How many prosecutions have there been under this law?

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Moonhead -> RE: Extreme porn law back in the news. (UK) (7/5/2010 4:31:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
How many prosecutions have there been under this law?

None. (The Spanner Case was prosecuted before the change in the law.) There has been an awful lot of whining about the possibility of somebody getting prosecuted over it in Skin 2, though. I think they're paranoid about the possibility of this year's Rubber Ball being struck by a comet, as well.




LadyEllen -> RE: Extreme porn law back in the news. (UK) (7/5/2010 5:38:00 AM)

There's also a heck of a lot of whining on account of not having read what is prohibited IMO.

Potentially, 6a might affect some - images of an act which threatens or appears to threaten a person's life, though it would take some pretty insane extrapolations, easily dismissed, to make that work in most instances. Of concern here would be asphyxiation images for instance - but only if intended to be pornographic (produced for the purpose of sexual arousal)

6c, an image of sexual interference with a human corpse and 6d an image of someone performing intercourse or oral sex with an animal......... I'd prefer to think might lie beyond our interest (?)

6b is the real bit that causes concern; images of an act that results in, appears to result in or is likely to result in serious injury to anus, breasts or genitals. The concern here is what amounts to "serious injury"? Clearly not all injury is "serious injury" and "serious injury" itself is ill defined here but to be found defined in the Offences Against The Person Act (OAPA) where it is used by the CPS to describe the level of injury for which Grievous Bodily Harm (GBH) would be an appropriate charge.

From the Crown Prosecution website
55) Grievous bodily harm means serious bodily harm (Archbold 19-206). It is for the jury to decide whether the harm is serious. However, examples of what would usually amount to serious harm include:
  • injury resulting in permanent disability or permanent loss of sensory function;
  • injury which results in more than minor permanent, visible disfigurement; broken or displaced limbs or bones, including fractured skull;
  • compound fractures, broken cheek bone, jaw, ribs, etc;
  • injuries which cause substantial loss of blood, usually necessitating a transfusion;
  • injuries resulting in lengthy treatment or incapacity;
  • psychiatric injury. As with assault occasioning actual bodily harm, appropriate expert evidence is essential to prove the injury.

This clearly goes beyond anything "sane" or "safe" ("consent" is irrelevant here). And I'd suggest the "Risk Aware" types would, being aware of the results of more extreme play might avoid such outcomes.

But what we're dealing with here is not actions (which in themselves are offences and have long since been so) but images - publication of which has long since been an offence anyway, but more exactly possession of images of the above.

The question is not therefore whether one might be prosecuted for such action under this recent law - one ought to have been prosecuted on the law as it stood and still stands. The question is whether possession of images depicting such actions should be an offence.

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pahunkboy -> RE: Extreme porn law back in the news. (UK) (7/5/2010 6:19:38 AM)

Thats because people in the UK do not place a high value on the act of sex like we do in the US.




Aneirin -> RE: Extreme porn law back in the news. (UK) (7/5/2010 7:17:26 AM)

More like there is a lot of guilt with people in high places, such guilt they seek to legislate even I suspect against their own desires.

I still do not agree viewing imagery for sexual satisfaction leads to aggressive actions and the study that suggested it did was just convenient for the law lords to use.

But taking sexual imagery to be a problem in society and now we have laws against some of it, the ball is rolling, hopefully the next batch of draconian law based upon possibles will be similar laws against anything depicting violence, war movies, gangster movies, hell why stop at that, ban boxing as surely it is not just a sport to some, some must get some other kind of satisfaction from two men beating the shit out of each other, all that flesh, sweat, blood, testosterone and violence.

But we already have enough hang ups about sex, it would have been better to try and understand it, what constitutes a person to act on imagery rather than to push it underground.





Moonhead -> RE: Extreme porn law back in the news. (UK) (7/5/2010 11:21:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Thats because people in the UK do not place a high value on the act of sex like we do in the US.

Of course you do. That's why there aren't any pro censorship pressure groups backed by religious organisations in the 'States, or tabloid shitstorms whenever a gay character gets portrayed sympathetically in a sitcom.
Still, you're definitely substantiating your claim that you don't watch a lot of television, effendi.




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