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Jeffff -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/6/2010 10:42:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I never viewed Hostel,don't care for horror movies because they tend to be really dumb. It did appeal to a rather peculiar fantasy I have in killing young people and making millions while doing it...Serial killers are so underpaid!

Should I become an arms dealer or manufacturer?



I would prefer to kill their companions.

Young people always travel with at least one companion.

No one would miss them.



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/6/2010 11:04:51 AM)

I think that's the whole POINT of Hostel. It's like those teenagers in the woods movies where they get killed and eaten or whatever. Fewer teenagers. How bad can that be?



dreamerdreaming -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/6/2010 11:49:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I saw the movie. I thought it was kinda dumb and I was not aroused.


However, I AM aroused at the thought of your head actually being removed from your body like in your picture.


But that is more of a mental arousal than physical.




ROFLMAO!!! [:D][:D][:D]



zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/6/2010 1:38:06 PM)

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Very odd response.


Indeed, given that there are no doubt people out there who do get off on such stuff, certainly not beyond the limits of possiblility. I'm no fan of the OP's posts but I think it a perfectly valid question.



LadyPact -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/6/2010 1:39:11 PM)

As I said in My original response, I haven't seen this film.  OP, would you be using this particular movie to parallel a snuff film if it were real?  From the other responses, I'm getting that it's some kind of horror flick.

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ORIGINAL: submissivemale22
also, your feigning of disgust rings hollow amongst those who have seen the handcrafted 'weapons' that you posted on fetlife.

A flogger is a weapon.  Knives used in knife play are weapons.  A single tail is a weapon.  You get what I'm saying here, right?



ETA - I'm also not sure about that 'non judgmental' part.  You did specifically tailor the original question to male Dominants/sadists.  In the beginning of the thread, you even made it a specific point to mention that women were answering the thread and you preferred the male perspective. 



mstrjx -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/6/2010 1:40:31 PM)

I'll admit to watching movies for the sadism involved.

I think there's more to talk about with, say, 'Audition' than Hostel. The Saw films do cover predicament bondage well, but are far more over-the-top for the things you would ordinarily want to do at home.

Jeff



submissivemale22 -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/6/2010 2:10:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

As I said in My original response, I haven't seen this film.  OP, would you be using this particular movie to parallel a snuff film if it were real?  From the other responses, I'm getting that it's some kind of horror flick.

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ORIGINAL: submissivemale22
also, your feigning of disgust rings hollow amongst those who have seen the handcrafted 'weapons' that you posted on fetlife.

A flogger is a weapon.  Knives uses in knife play are weapons.  A single tail is a weapon.  You get what I'm saying here, right?



ETA - I'm also not sure about that 'non judgmental' part.  You did specifically tailor the original question to male Dominants/sadists.  In the beginning of the thread, you even made it a specific point to mention that women were answering the thread and you preferred the male perspective. 



The film is about people traveling in eastern europe who get kidnapped/tricked into captivity. From there, they are arranged to be sold to sadists who pay good money for the chance to torture them with various weapons. It is really quite gruesome... but prior to understanding what sadism was, i didnt know why the torturers were so excited. obviously i don't think anyone here truly wants to recreate this kind of torture, but im curious if the idea of it was in anyway exciting.



LadyPact -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/6/2010 2:24:56 PM)

I went and checked out the trailer after My last post.  Between that and your explanation, I get the concept, though I'm still a little fuzzy on whether the subjects are literally tortured to death or not.  I'm not even sure if that's an issue.

My answer on the subject that I wrote on that other thread in the General section probably applies in the same manner.  For a role play thing, where I had someone's prior consent, I'd probably get into it if it were related to types of play that I already enjoy.  Torture via electricity or some such thing.  What would hang Me up about it would be, there seems not to be any consent involved in the movie version.



kiwisub12 -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/6/2010 2:26:03 PM)

Yuk - i had to leave the room a third of the way into the movie - it was just nasty!  Nothing sexual at all.



RCdc -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/6/2010 2:29:30 PM)

If you feel that this might be interesting, then watch Hostal Pt2.  It shows it from the perspective of the attackers.
Hollywood style of course.

the.dark.



zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/6/2010 2:29:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

Yuk - i had to leave the room a third of the way into the movie - it was just nasty!  Nothing sexual at all.


Hell I felt nauseous just watching the trailer [:'(]



orangeskye -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/6/2010 6:26:26 PM)

in the second hostel, where the female attacker sets up the bloodbath scene.. THAT was actually pretty hot, whipping the girl, as she hung helpless overhead...

until it got too gorey.. then it was just good time gorefest... good for movies, not so hot tho..



Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/7/2010 8:20:18 AM)

I think I'll pass lol.

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ORIGINAL: Lve


Now watch the rest of the films I listed.They will bring back that yukky feeling you had in your stomach.




Ishtarr -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/8/2010 9:19:57 AM)


~To the OP~

Well, I must say this topic is a rather impressive one...
Passive aggressive accusations in an opening post, obviously designed to bait people, and then offended reactions when people don't tell you what you want to hear.
Not even to mention the fact that you're apparently the only person on CM who can get away with trying to exclude certain categories of people from responding to your posts.

As to your question... I've seen hostel, and it sickened me.
There was nothing even remotely erotic about that movie.

I've got some pretty twisted fantasies myself, both from the D as well as from the s side of thing, and I have no problem admitting that there are horror movies and thriller with non-consensual abuse in them that turn me on, however, when that's the case it's because of what hasn't been done/seen/shown in them, and because the emotional responses of the characters, and not because of the acts portrayed in them.

I like a good game of cat and mouse, and enjoy the sexual tension that's often build into movies that play on that team.
I also enjoy the type of scenario where "the good but maybe not so good girl" is drawn to the "evil twisted man" even though he disgust and scares her at the same time.

The Silence of the Lambs trilogy is a good example to come to mind.
I just LOVE the sexual tension between Dr. Lector and Clarice.
Their interaction often really turns me on, to the point that I've masturbated to those movies.

However, it's the INTERACTION between both of them, along with the hint of fear, and danger that turns me on, not any of the acts actually portrayed or described in it.

You've been around these boards long enough to know that BDSM has got nothing to do with sadism as portrayed in Hostel. In fact, it's quite the opposite.
While BDSM D-types often done the label "sadist" they are not by any stretch sadist of any real kind because they are not in the least turned on by non-consensual sadism.

In fact, for nearly all D-types in this lifestyle, consent is essential for them to enjoy the acts of sadism, because one of the most intense enjoyments that they derive from sadism is the desire of the s-type.
It's an ego trip, in which the D-type feel empowered because the s-type wants to please them so badly that they are willing to endure all these horrible things for the D-type.
In short form, it often basically comes down to: "I feel "desired" because you want me bad enough that you would let me hurt you".

Because of this, non-consent and actual force would very often just ruin the whole thing, because it's rarely ever the acts by themselves that are important, instead it's the energy that's created between two people because they mutually fulfill each other's desires.




submissivemale22 -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/8/2010 2:25:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: submissivemale22
also, your feigning of disgust rings hollow amongst those who have seen the handcrafted 'weapons' that you posted on fetlife.



You know what, upon reflection it occurs to me that the term "weapons" might have been poorly applied on my part. Weapon connotes something to be used in a violent situation without consent, and that isn't something that i mean to accuse you of. In that sense, i understand your anger at the comparison, and apologize for my original belief that you were merely feigning disgust.



MistressTonya2u -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/11/2010 11:32:41 AM)

I have seen Hostel and Hostel 2..neither one turned me on.
However, I am a slasher movie fan and they did not sicken me, as I have seen a lot worse than these two.
There are other movies that did excite me which might sicken others though.

Early into My real life experience with BDSM, I meet a submissive who was only able to orgasm when he was able to act out his fantasies of being canibalized.
It was more than I was able to stomach so we lost touch rather quickly.
Later, I read a story online about two men, one who actually did dismember and eat the other. (Supposedly it was consensual, as the one who died had signed a contract and was videotaped at various points of the dismemberment asking for more, and even participated in his demise by eating part of his own penis, which was captured on the video)

It made me wonder about the sincerity of that submissive and whether or not his fantasies/fetish would put him into that sort of situation.

Because of this, I would not doubt there are some who would be excited by Hostel. I also would not doubt that some would be tempted to try to act out some of the scenes.
I would never participate in anything like that, but sadly I would not be surprised to hear about it, either.



ElanSubdued -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/11/2010 1:07:30 PM)

submissivemale22,

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Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... were you in any way aroused by the torture scenes included in it?


No.  Not in the slightest.  I get the whole "stepping outside the medium/depiction to find something else in it" mode of thinking.  Still, the violence and torture in Hostel is just that:  violence and torture.  This 'aint the kind of torture I eroticize.  Kind of like good pain versus bad pain.  I've never stubbed my toe and gone "oh yes, more please, give me more".  I also tend to think eroticizing depictions of the Hostel sort is filled with inherent danger.  This is exactly the kind of stuff the vanilla world mistakenly (and through lack of knowledge) associates with BDSM.  And, it has the potential to draw in the creeps.  Nope.  Not erotic at all.  I can understand how someone might transport this to a place of eroticism and, if of appropriate, sane mindset, do this is a perfectly safe, healthy way without acting it out.  I'm not one of these people though.  The appeal isn't there for me and the danger of normalizing these kinds of depictions as a representation of consensual, loving BDSM kinda' freaks the shit outta' me.  The stuff in Hostel is violence of the most abhorrent sort and I think it's appropriate to keep that perspective, especially when considering and making comparisons to BDSM.

Elan.



ElanSubdued -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/11/2010 1:31:35 PM)

submissivemale22,

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The film is about people traveling in eastern europe who get kidnapped/tricked into captivity. From there, they are arranged to be sold to sadists who pay good money for the chance to torture them with various weapons. It is really quite gruesome... but prior to understanding what sadism was, i didnt know why the torturers were so excited. obviously i don't think anyone here truly wants to recreate this kind of torture, but im curious if the idea of it was in anyway exciting.


Just caught this.  You've slipped down the slippery slope right here.  The "sadists" depicted in Hostel are not sadists as referred to in BDSM.  The sadists of Hostel are murderers who are psychologically close to insane if not entirely insane.  You've also left out the detail that these "sadists" brutally torture, maim, and murder their victims.

In BDSM, a sadist derives pleasure from "play torturing" a willing partner (usually a masochist) who derives pleasure from being on the receiving end.  While some BDSM sadistic activities cause a gread deal of pain and inflict some temporary, surface damage to the body, this is carefully monitored by both parties and the idea is not to damage anyone and to avoid undesired, non-sensual pain.  There is a great deal of learning, skill, communication, consent, and trust between the partners.  Conversely, the murderers of Hostel are thrill seekers who have no interest in the safety of their victims.  The "sadiststs" as you've labeled them, pick up a knife and hack out an eye or dismember a body part from their victim while trying to extend the period over which they slowly kill this person.  There is no BDSM depicted here.  This is violence and horrendously painful, slow murder.

Elan.



ElanSubdued -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/11/2010 1:35:05 PM)

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LadyHibiscus:
I think that's the whole POINT of Hostel.  It's like those teenagers in the woods movies where they get killed and eaten or whatever. Fewer teenagers.  How bad can that be?


Good Lord... I laughed so hard when I read this!  Bad me.  Bad me. :-)

E.



Nineveh -> RE: Those of you who have seen the film "Hostel"... (7/11/2010 4:17:09 PM)

I haven't watched Hostel, I do however get turned on by torture scenes in horror movies.  I think this is within the intent of the director from my experience interacting with independent horror producers.

And no, I would not consider visiting a real place like that.  in real life consent is vital.



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