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RE: Hopey changey dhimmitude - 7/7/2010 1:15:48 PM

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You surpass even yourself in stupidity.

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RE: Hopey changey dhimmitude - 7/7/2010 2:02:44 PM

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Inarguably, but I do find all of this talk about the Ottoman empire preserving culture from the savage barbarians in Europe hilarious when one of the ways they did that was burning the library at Alexandria because if anything stored there agreed with the prophet then it was redundant and if it didn't then it was a lie.

There is considerable doubt if there was anything deserving to be called The Library of Alexabdria in 642. That was 300 years after parts were definitely burned and looted by christians and even that was only a shadow of the original Library burned by Caesar.

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RE: Hopey changey dhimmitude - 7/7/2010 2:20:20 PM

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RE: Hopey changey dhimmitude - 7/7/2010 3:06:28 PM

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That is because they practice circumcision on their males. In a couple of centuries the USA will be in their own dark ages as well, unless the USA population stops their own practice of circumcision.

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RE: Hopey changey dhimmitude - 7/7/2010 3:46:09 PM

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Inarguably, but I do find all of this talk about the Ottoman empire preserving culture from the savage barbarians in Europe hilarious when one of the ways they did that was burning the library at Alexandria because if anything stored there agreed with the prophet then it was redundant and if it didn't then it was a lie.

There is considerable doubt if there was anything deserving to be called The Library of Alexabdria in 642. That was 300 years after parts were definitely burned and looted by christians and even that was only a shadow of the original Library burned by Caesar.

In fact not. Whatever was burned by Christians in Alexandria (the Serapeum) most likely had nothing to do with the library.

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RE: Hopey changey dhimmitude - 7/7/2010 4:27:45 PM

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Inarguably, but I do find all of this talk about the Ottoman empire preserving culture from the savage barbarians in Europe hilarious when one of the ways they did that was burning the library at Alexandria because if anything stored there agreed with the prophet then it was redundant and if it didn't then it was a lie.

There is considerable doubt if there was anything deserving to be called The Library of Alexabdria in 642. That was 300 years after parts were definitely burned and looted by christians and even that was only a shadow of the original Library burned by Caesar.

In fact not. Whatever was burned by Christians in Alexandria (the Serapeum) most likely had nothing to do with the library.

The Serapeum was definitely the temple associated with the Library and reports from the event was that it contained a large volume of written works when destroyed. I think claiming it "most likely" had nothing to do with the library is a very large overstatement.

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RE: Hopey changey dhimmitude - 7/7/2010 4:32:48 PM

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Possibly, but claiming that there was nothing that warrants being called a library in Alexandria by the time the Turks started burning stuff is a bit of an overstatement as well.

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RE: Hopey changey dhimmitude - 7/7/2010 4:44:21 PM

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Wasn't the knowledge transfer before the height of the empire?

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Inarguably, but I do find all of this talk about the Ottoman empire preserving culture from the savage barbarians in Europe hilarious when one of the ways they did that was burning the library at Alexandria because if anything stored there agreed with the prophet then it was redundant and if it didn't then it was a lie.
There's also plenty of other sources for navigation besides the Moors. Most of Scandinavia was doing very well with that even during the Dark Ages, after all.
As for gunpowder, didn't the eastern empire get that one from China in its death throes, along with silk, and then pass it on to the Turks? There's very little evidence that one was a Turkish invention, despite a few extravagant claims to the contrary.

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RE: Hopey changey dhimmitude - 7/7/2010 5:03:09 PM

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Which transfer? I'm not sure which emperor the silk trade started under. I know there are references to Julius Caesar having silk curtains, but there's a lot of doubt as to whether there were any regular trade routes from China into Rome back then.
If you're talking about burned libraries, then no. Far too few attempts were made to preserve written texts as it was always assumed that there would be other copies elsewhere. This was one of the areas where the sheer size of the Empire was a disadvantage. Nobody had the time or the inclination to make a list of what knowledge was in which libraries and what needed copying.

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