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New to this and need advice - 7/8/2010 1:11:00 PM   
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I am very new to this lifestyle and want to make sure I am the best I can be. My Master and I are still fairly new to each other and I want to make sure that I am pleasing to him at all times. We have a 24/7 relationship and we do love each other. What kind of things can I do to ensure that I am being a good sub/slave. He is very good to me and I want to make sure that I please him. Any help would be appreciated.
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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/8/2010 1:16:43 PM   
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Communicate with him about his needs, because he is the expert when it comes to pleasing him

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/8/2010 1:59:33 PM   
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Communicate with him about his needs, because he is the expert when it comes to pleasing him

Well, that was a quick thread <whisks hands one against another>.

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/8/2010 2:09:59 PM   
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Communicate with him about his needs, because he is the expert when it comes to pleasing him

Yup... I'm going to second that.

One of the things that Carol says she likes about being my slave is that there's no more guesswork about how to make me happy. Do as I say and I'm happy. If I'm not happy, then the issue is mine, not hers. But there's no more wasted efforts at making me happy only to find I'm not (for instance, cooking a dinner for me only to find I didn't like what she cooked).

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/8/2010 2:24:41 PM   
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While the attitude is commendable, you're getting borderline close to actually leading from the front in the relationship. Which risks him doubting whether he's doing it "right" - which can lead to stress and pressure of more self doubt etc...

And if my girl did attain behaviour perfection, then I'd be denied those times when I get to pull her into line - and I just lurv what happens to her eyes and body language when I power up "the stare"....

If you wanna be a good sub/slave, then do what you're told, when you're told and to the best of your abilities.... If you're not getting enough opportunity to practise that mantra, then you'll either start acting out (for disciplinary attention) or subconsciously leading the relationship - because someone has to lead in a control based dynamic.

But right now, it just sounds like a bit of sub frenzy on your part and a lack of confidence and experience on his.

And welcome to the Forums... :)

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/8/2010 3:59:32 PM   
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While the attitude is commendable, you're getting borderline close to actually leading from the front in the relationship. Which risks him doubting whether he's doing it "right" - which can lead to stress and pressure of more self doubt etc...

And if my girl did attain behaviour perfection, then I'd be denied those times when I get to pull her into line - and I just lurv what happens to her eyes and body language when I power up "the stare"....

If you wanna be a good sub/slave, then do what you're told, when you're told and to the best of your abilities.... If you're not getting enough opportunity to practise that mantra, then you'll either start acting out (for disciplinary attention) or subconsciously leading the relationship - because someone has to lead in a control based dynamic.

But right now, it just sounds like a bit of sub frenzy on your part and a lack of confidence and experience on his.

And welcome to the Forums... :)

Focus.



I do not see a great deal of sub frenzy, self doubt, or anything like that in her question. I see someone who probably wants to talk about their new relationship because they are happy in it and want to know what we all do to keep this happiness...she sounds like someone new in love....

It is exciting to have your very first D/s relationship, but often others do not understand how it works, so she can't very well go and tell her vanilla friends "I met the bestest guy in the world and he tells me what to do!" It just doesn't work like that for most of us...

The fact still remains at the end of the day, the things that the dominants I have been involved with wanted would drastically differ from what her dom wants... they aren't one size fits all

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/8/2010 4:55:54 PM   
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There are so many things I could say. Let me try to limit it to the important ones:

* He orders and you obey. It sounds so simple, doesn't it? But actually, there is absolutely nothing simple about this. Layers upon layers of complexity lie in this one interaction. You may not see them at first. But as he continues to order and you continue to obey, you will start to see how richly complex it all is. At times it will be easy (to obey). At times it won't. Don't worry when it is not, just try harder during those times. You will learn to recognize them, as they often come from patterns inside yourself.

* Accept the fact that you are not going to be pleasing all of the time. Sometimes you will have a bad day, sometimes he will. Don't fall into the submissive newbie trap of making a big dramatic deal out of it. It's not the end of the world. It's just a bad day, for one or both of you. Making this into a drama will just make an already bad thing worse.

* Practice paitence and restraint in the areas where these things should be exercised. Start practicing this now, when everything is new and still great. Find little ways to be more patient than you are, less impulsive, less prone to say something you might regret later. Here's why this is important: many submissives, particularly if their dominants are tolerant and empathic, go through a stage in their relationships when it becomes all about them. They ask for the things--and they get them, most of the time. So a day will come when you ask for something that you really want and expect to get and you're denied it, and your impulse will be to respond angrily, or to do (or not do) it anyway, or to wheedle/nag nonstop until you get your way, or to demand he rationally justify his decision, or even to have a big crying emotional breakdown because you do not get your way (only you say this breakdown is due to something else, not a simple thwarting of your will).

Remember, he's the dom, he doesn't have to justify anything to you. And he doesn't have to say yes, even when you really believe you deserve this thing and saying no is deeply unfair. This is where restraint and patience exercises come in handy.

Swallow the angry words. Don't go there. Get out an "Ok, Master," at least and distract yourself with something else--immediately.

Do not wheedle and nag--ever--even in what you consider a charming or teasing manner. It is too easy for something that aggressive to turn ugly.

If you have a good reason for doing or not doing this thing and you have not told him it--tell it to him--once--and if he still says No, do not repeat the reason or come up with more reasons or ask him, "But why?" in a stricken tone. Again, Just. Say. Ok. Then change the conversation to something more pleasant, for both of you.

If you do the thing anyway (and at some point you probably will, perfection is not possible in humanity and great skill actually arises from making mistakes and seeing/hating the consequences of those mistakes, so don't sweat it. And yes--we ALL do this, whether we admit it or not) then tell him about it as soon as you realize you haven't done so. Don't ever hold something like this back once you realize you have not told him.

As for the emotional freakout, no matter how justified you feel it is or how much what he did connects with some traumatic past childhood experience or whatever, is, at heart, a tantrum and an attempt to manipulate him in order to get your own way. Remember at such a time that you got in this sort of relationship to begin with because you didn't want to always get your own way, you did not always want to be the manipulator, capable of pulling your partner's strings. So when you don't get what you want, play fair, don't resort to blackmail by tears. This sort of behavior affects different dominants in different ways. If you are very lucky (although you won't feel lucky at the time), it won't affect or influence him at all.

* Another area you may have to practice restraint in is the tendendcy to turn a small confusion, a mixup, his scolding you or being disappointed in you into A BIG THING. Sure it hurts, especially if you do not ever anticipate and prepare for the eventuality that he will respond to you negatively. The idea that he won't is a happy myth you should rid yourself of before it takes root. Every submissive experiences being displeasing at times, and not always for 'fair" reasons. When it happens to you personally, it can feel horrific, you may even think you need to leave the relationship, as you feel so ashamed and like such a failure. But you are not perfect and neither is he and these things will happen. Unpleasant as it is to be disappointing or an object of his anger, remember that it will pass and everything will be fine again--unless you make a big deal out of it and turn it into a major drama or point of contention or proof of his being a bad dom.

If you have any emotional masochism in you, use it to wring a little enjoyment out of the situation. If not, then try to remember not to argue back, don't accuse him of being evil or unfair to you, gracefully say you are sorry and will not do it again and do NOT go on to justify your actions unless he asks for a reason. Even then, keep the reason short. In these situations, it can be hard to fight back the tears, so if you need to, let them roll, but continue to talk to him in as normal and calm a tone of voice as you can. Tell yourself, "Suck it up Soldier!" (or some such wording--I personally dislike the "don one's enormous female underwear" phrase, so I never use it, but it may work for you). I used to know a submissive who got a full, formal dressing down when she disobeyed or was displeasing. She was made to stand up arrow straight in the center of a room while her dominant circled her, harranging her for as long as an hour (subjectively, this feels like a lot longer). Be very grateful if your dominant is not that type!

* Learn your dominant through observation and asking questions, and not by assuming that all doms want X or even all men want X--because they don't. All men are different, and you have to learn who your master is and what he likes, not just assume you know. Sometimes it will hurt when you guess wrong; when you do something you think will thrill him or help him and he responds negatively to it. It's better, I think, not to drop big surprises on a dominant. Many (again, not all) are control freaks, and when you dump a surprise on such a person (especially a big one, like a surprise birthday party or bringing a girlfriend home for a threesome) without really knowing whether he likes it or not, you may earn his ire.

Ok, there's lots more but this is a good beginning. The Cliff Notes version: Remember, bad stuff is going to happen. Don't take it too seriously when it does, it's not the end of the world or the relationship. Submission gives you a wonderful excuse to learn restraint (and a meaningful context for learning it). So, restrain your impulsive nature, except where it should not be restrained (such as with being forthcoming). Restrain your desire to act out all your emotions even if your dominant is benevolent and allows this. It doesn't help you to overindulge in negative emotion, it spoils you, and makes you less able to exercise self-control the next time (in other words you become less pleasing--except, maybe, to yourself). Understand you will manipulate, you will struggle someday to get your own way, you will get angry or hurt at having to follow orders. The trick is not ever doing such things, as doing them is probably inevitable given human nature, but to stop yourself as soon as you realize you are doing them and not make things worse.

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/8/2010 5:43:03 PM   
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As another fairly new slave, still in my first year of submission to my Master, your post was very insightful and helpful, CaringandReal. Thank you for it. I feel I'm beginning to get a decent handle on being a good girl for MY Master, but you have some really wonderful suggestions there that I will think upon.

And yes, it can be very difficult to sometimes just shut the hell up when your Master tells you 'silence', especially when you REALLY want to make a point in the heat of the moment! LOL!

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/8/2010 6:03:32 PM   
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I wanted to say thank you to all who took the time to help me. It is much appreciated.

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/9/2010 3:02:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50

While the attitude is commendable, you're getting borderline close to actually leading from the front in the relationship. Which risks him doubting whether he's doing it "right" - which can lead to stress and pressure of more self doubt etc...

And if my girl did attain behaviour perfection, then I'd be denied those times when I get to pull her into line - and I just lurv what happens to her eyes and body language when I power up "the stare"....

If you wanna be a good sub/slave, then do what you're told, when you're told and to the best of your abilities.... If you're not getting enough opportunity to practise that mantra, then you'll either start acting out (for disciplinary attention) or subconsciously leading the relationship - because someone has to lead in a control based dynamic.

But right now, it just sounds like a bit of sub frenzy on your part and a lack of confidence and experience on his.

And welcome to the Forums... :)

Focus.



I do not see a great deal of sub frenzy, self doubt, or anything like that in her question. I see someone who probably wants to talk about their new relationship because they are happy in it and want to know what we all do to keep this happiness...she sounds like someone new in love....

It is exciting to have your very first D/s relationship, but often others do not understand how it works, so she can't very well go and tell her vanilla friends "I met the bestest guy in the world and he tells me what to do!" It just doesn't work like that for most of us...

The fact still remains at the end of the day, the things that the dominants I have been involved with wanted would drastically differ from what her dom wants... they aren't one size fits all


Well shoot, just when this "grasshopper" thought he had enough life and lifestyle experience to risk unbolting his D/s training wheels....

Look out drawing board, here I come - dammit...!

Focus.


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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/9/2010 3:35:26 AM   
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My advice is "be yourself" and be true to yourself... don't ever get caught in a pretense because you think it pleases him...

If it is truly meant to be you will balance each other by simply being yourseves, not saying it will always be perfect and easy but if you pretend to be someone your not eventually the dynamic you have will crumble because it is built on something that never really existed.

I am not saying this is the case with you, but when you are new and wide eyed and in love it is an easy trap to fall into and something to be mindful of.

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/9/2010 5:53:34 AM   
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Does he want you to have things ready for him without asking or does he prefer you wait until he tells you what he wants. Some people like anticipatory service, others don't.

But in general, just pay attention to his likes and dislikes. If he buys diet root beer when he sees it in a store, then stock it. If he's partial to Ritz over Saltines, buy the Ritz.


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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/9/2010 5:57:28 AM   
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But in general, just pay attention to his likes and dislikes. If he buys diet root beer when he sees it in a store, then stock it. If he's partial to Ritz over Saltines, buy the Ritz.



This is something I have always done even in "vanilla" relationships, without even giving it a second though

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/9/2010 11:16:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP



But in general, just pay attention to his likes and dislikes. If he buys diet root beer when he sees it in a store, then stock it. If he's partial to Ritz over Saltines, buy the Ritz.



This is something I have always done even in "vanilla" relationships, without even giving it a second though



Seconded. 


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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/9/2010 11:38:32 AM   
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* He orders and you obey. It sounds so simple, doesn't it? But actually, there is absolutely nothing simple about this. Layers upon layers of complexity lie in this one interaction. You may not see them at first. But as he continues to order and you continue to obey, you will start to see how richly complex it all is. At times it will be easy (to obey). At times it won't. Don't worry when it is not, just try harder during those times. You will learn to recognize them, as they often come from patterns inside yourself.

I liked this. Unwavering obedience can be seen as both deceptively complex and so simple it's hard. It's of course worth mentioning that who you give this obedience and its respective efforts to should be wisely—very wisely—chosen.


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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/9/2010 12:55:32 PM   
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I don't know your Master so i can't tell you how to please him except what others said. I add listen when he talks he may drop clues to his likes and dislikes and not even realize he is doing so. My Master and i were once talking about soft drinks early on and i was saying which one i like. He said actually i perfer Coke to Pepsi and ever since then (4 years and 5 months ago) i have Coke in my house. I don't even like Coke i don't drink it i have it here for him. You really have to talk with him about his expections. Congrats on you relationship.

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/9/2010 2:33:25 PM   
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One of the things that Carol says she likes about being my slave is that there's no more guesswork about how to make me happy. Do as I say and I'm happy. If I'm not happy, then the issue is mine, not hers. But there's no more wasted efforts at making me happy only to find I'm not (for instance, cooking a dinner for me only to find I didn't like what she cooked).


Jeff,

That and you're a nice guy which is always a good incentive. But I'm a wee bit biased as you know.

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/9/2010 5:22:38 PM   
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As another fairly new slave, still in my first year of submission to my Master, your post was very insightful and helpful, CaringandReal. Thank you for it. I feel I'm beginning to get a decent handle on being a good girl for MY Master, but you have some really wonderful suggestions there that I will think upon.

And yes, it can be very difficult to sometimes just shut the hell up when your Master tells you 'silence', especially when you REALLY want to make a point in the heat of the moment! LOL!


Why thank you. I'm glad you got something out of that long post. And yeah, lol, the tongue dost bubble over, doesn't it? I imagine though that if a master didn't like a bubbling tongue, he could take a number of quite painful measures towards said tongue that would remind you very vividly next time of what the word "silence" means. :)

The thing I worry about new submissives doing the most is beating themselves up when they (eventually) disobey, and becoming discouraged as a result. They set their self-standards impossibly high--and I don't blame them, it's hard not to do when when you have little expereince with how hard obeying can be. But if more of us with that experience own up to the fact that virtually no submissive is a perfect obedient angel all the time, maybe this wouldn't happen so much. What's important, and I think most dominants with sense recognize this, is when someone with potential is trying their hardest.

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/9/2010 6:43:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian


quote:

ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

* He orders and you obey. It sounds so simple, doesn't it? But actually, there is absolutely nothing simple about this. Layers upon layers of complexity lie in this one interaction. You may not see them at first. But as he continues to order and you continue to obey, you will start to see how richly complex it all is. At times it will be easy (to obey). At times it won't. Don't worry when it is not, just try harder during those times. You will learn to recognize them, as they often come from patterns inside yourself.


quote:


I liked this. Unwavering obedience can be seen as both deceptively complex and so simple it's hard.


Do you think that the more complex a person is, the harder it is to obey this way or does personal complexity make it easier?

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It's of course worth mentioning that who you give this obedience and its respective efforts to should be wisely—very wisely—chosen.


Yes, indeed. ALL untaken submissives, whether wise or not, should try their very best to do this, as their future happiness depends on it. And it is particularly important to do so if you are the type who, once you have chosen, stubbornly stays with something until its very end--even if the end is very messy or ugly or without any gain whatsoever--because you may be living with this choice for a very, very long time.

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RE: New to this and need advice - 7/10/2010 10:40:05 PM   
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Do you think that the more complex a person is, the harder it is to obey this way or does personal complexity make it easier?

I lean toward suspecting the more "complex" a person is, the harder it is to find someone with a compatible depth capable of mentoring him or her. That's entirely my prejudice, and I feel strongly about it. Complete obedience toward someone who more often times than not is ill-fitted or in the wrong is quite a trick, and honestly, it's not worth the unexpected and utterly pointless pain and suffering that results. So yes, complexity and depth in the submissive party sets a relationship up to fail if it is not properly appreciated, engaged and integrated well by the dominant party; failure in this regard leads to making obedience tremendously difficult, if not impossible.

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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal
Yes, indeed. ALL untaken submissives, whether wise or not, should try their very best to do this, as their future happiness depends on it. And it is particularly important to do so if you are the type who, once you have chosen, stubbornly stays with something until its very end--even if the end is very messy or ugly or without any gain whatsoever--because you may be living with this choice for a very, very long time.

True. If there were a plaque hanging over the gate with only so many words to inscribe, I'd most surely want it to say:
Know thyself,
Know the other,
Look with the eyes of truth and not hope
—and look hard before you leap.



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