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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:02:37 AM   
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That's where my question came in, SL4. Did he not look down the barrel before firing because he was in a panic, or because he was too fucking lazy to care?

I thought the guy was already on the floor when he was shot and if so where is the threat and the adrenaline/panic supposed to be coming from? There was probably no reason for the taser let alone the gun from what I've heard reported.

I may be mistaken but I'm sure this is what I heard reported.

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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:03:59 AM   
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That's where my question came in, SL4. Did he not look down the barrel before firing because he was in a panic, or because he was too fucking lazy to care?




I am one of these people that believes in "reasonable doubt"


The point of the matter is, there is most likely reasonable doubt in this case, therefore I cannot second guess the jury. I do believe they should have had a more diverse jury on this case, and I wonder why it wasn't more so...

The question in my mind if I sat on that jury, could he have been so inexperienced he fired the wrong weapon?

My second question would have been .... did he have cause to even tazer the dude....

I am not sure what I would decide until I heard all of the witnesses...

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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:05:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Then you haven't been paying much attention. Someone being on the ground does not mean the fight is over, and the convicted officer claims the man he killed was reaching into a pocket.

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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:06:23 AM   
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I thought the guy was already on the floor when he was shot and if so where is the threat and the adrenaline/panic supposed to be coming from?


The cop "claimed" the guy was reaching into his pockets.... my question is, did he warn him or just tazer him? Like I said, tazers are overused when other methods are readily available. They sell the tazer as being nothing more than a way of "subduing" a suspect... but tazers can be fatal and should not be used in place of good law enforcement

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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:08:20 AM   
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Get off your high horse. You talk shit about my color, even though you're the same 'disgraceful' color that I am... you insinuate that I'm racist, though you'll never date a person of color again. You try to suggest that everyone in my state is racist... you constantly deride my state, of all the stupid things to attack. And you make every other snide comment that you can think of...

And then you make this stupid comment:

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If I point out that I have not called you names whilst you call me names, then I am called another name ... "victim"...

I don't care what nastiness you spew, it only shows you lack the ability to debate your way out of a paper sack and that you have no control over your emotions....


Go, name call away!


Then wonder why I accurately point out that you're a bimbo and an airhead!

Too funny...


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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:09:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Then you haven't been paying much attention. Someone being on the ground does not mean the fight is over, and the convicted officer claims the man he killed was reaching into a pocket.

You'd claim some mitigating circumstances too if you'd just shot an innocent person dead. If the guy is on the floor then the height of the panic should have been over. If anything the adrenaline should have been flowing before that point at a higher rate and yet no mistakes at this earlier point?



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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:09:38 AM   
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So they were still fighting, in essence?

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Then you haven't been paying much attention. Someone being on the ground does not mean the fight is over, and the convicted officer claims the man he killed was reaching into a pocket.


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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:13:15 AM   
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though you'll never date a person of color again


I have never said that.. actually if ebonywood emailed me I would date him tomorrow. He seems to be just what I like in a man(too bad he doesn't post here anymore)... again, you pretend to know me, you don't....


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you constantly deride my state,


You constantly deride mine...so?

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And you make every other snide comment that you can think of...


Usually only in response to your stupid comments....


Here is something I think you fail to grasp... I can call your posts inane, your point of view stupid, your opinion insupportable... I am not calling YOU names...


But like I said, if that is all you got, go to it!


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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:16:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, SL4. I'm guessing you don't have much experience with hardcore street fighting. That's not a bad thing, but it renders your thoughts on the matter to a bit less than accurate. I have to wonder if you've ever experienced a full blast of fight or flight body response, because it doesn't click off immediately, as you seem to think it does.

Any idea just how devastating a blow can be delivered with a heel kick, when you are lying on your back?

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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:20:54 AM   
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I talk about the policies that are destroying California, I never said I hated the people even though a majority of Californians are obviously very self destructive. I don't even hate you... as I've said before, you're fun. You're a fun airhead, you don't even realize what you're writing half the time which can be a riot.

But look at the Californias budget problems, and the difficulty the elected representatives there are having coming to grips with it. You on the other hand act as though you hate everyone in my state even though there are many who are politically very similar to you.


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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:21:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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I thought the guy was already on the floor when he was shot and if so where is the threat and the adrenaline/panic supposed to be coming from?


The cop "claimed" the guy was reaching into his pockets.... my question is, did he warn him or just tazer him? Like I said, tazers are overused when other methods are readily available. They sell the tazer as being nothing more than a way of "subduing" a suspect... but tazers can be fatal and should not be used in place of good law enforcement


Any law enforcement equipment can be fatal.

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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:23:51 AM   
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Yep.  Liberals are all alike.  Ever' one of 'em.  Uh huh.




Just like conservatives



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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:24:01 AM   
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Hardcore street fighters don't use tasers and they don't make good law enforcement officers is my view. We hold these people to a higher standard, they should be able to spot a realistic threat and they should be able to recognise the difference in the equipment they are using regardless of the external circumstances.

I've yet to see a police officer shoot anyone dead for reaching for their drivers licence so I assume most of them can stand back from a situation until an actual threat materialises. If you are standing over someone you have the angle, they don't. Therefore you can wait a bit before shooting?


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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:27:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I should have been clearer, Thorns. It was a general statement, not personally directed.

That isn't the first time I've done that replying to you, though. I'll try to be more aware.



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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:28:54 AM   
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My point is that the typical liberal here can't debate the topic, they serially resort to personal attacks.

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Yep.  Liberals are all alike.  Ever' one of 'em.  Uh huh.


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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:31:04 AM   
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astute observation != name calling

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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:32:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		SL4, we have done this before, and I've seen the lengths you will go to in avoiding an admission that you were talking out your ass.

A hardcore street fight is a situation, not a reference to some sub-culture you may have seen a documentary on. It only takes one participant to drag a fight to that level.



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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:36:15 AM   
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20 questions?

I was stationed near there for a couple of years and I know the area well enough. No, they're not all mean and they're not all black... and I'd say most streets with rioters on them easily fall into the "mean" category.


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Which streets of Oakland are you talking about, Sanity?  Are all of them mean streets?  Are all of them black?  Have you lived there before?


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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:36:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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I thought the guy was already on the floor when he was shot and if so where is the threat and the adrenaline/panic supposed to be coming from?


The cop "claimed" the guy was reaching into his pockets.... my question is, did he warn him or just tazer him? Like I said, tazers are overused when other methods are readily available. They sell the tazer as being nothing more than a way of "subduing" a suspect... but tazers can be fatal and should not be used in place of good law enforcement


Any law enforcement equipment can be fatal.


The problem is that the tazer becomes the weapon of first choice, when cops used to try to actually talk to people. Now, often they tazer them.... in my experience talking is hardly ever lethal

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RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntar... - 7/10/2010 11:37:46 AM   
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Bullshit, they'd beat them with night sticks or mace the hell out of them and then beat them.

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The problem is that the tazer becomes the weapon of first choice, when cops used to try to actually talk to people. Now, often they tazer them.... in my experience talking is hardly ever lethal


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