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MasterJohnSteed -> Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/9/2010 7:31:15 AM)
Just thought I would up date everyone on what is new in my situation: My Cube mate was asked to attend a meeting where she was told "They won't close us down if we can meet our 4 % sales goals, Come on guy's we have to hit 4%" That being a direct quote from a manager, not a supervisor. less than five percent of our work force is making the required four percent. My Cube mate went on to tell me that they told her were still planning on enforcing this 4% or your fired regulation. Which would mean there will be mass firings I am quite sure that they will call it layoffs around Christmas As I told her "If you throw people out a window and tell them to fly, that doesn't't mean they are going to grow wings! it just means that your going to get a lot of people hitting the ground"

juliaoceania -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/9/2010 7:34:03 AM)
Look for a new job, you may not find one, but it is often easier to find work if you already have a job

xxblushesxx -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/9/2010 7:59:23 AM)
Yeah, and you don't want to be searching for a job around Christmas time. Unless you like retail sales.

DarkSteven -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/9/2010 9:15:29 AM)
They're going to have a helluva time making those sales goals with no work force. Bastages. It'll serve them right when people leave.early.

MasterJohnSteed -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/9/2010 10:47:34 AM)
Well as I said before, in the last topic post, Wilmington NC office is supposed to be closed by December, Like the movie Roger and Me, I don't think the Bastards care, I think they are just looking at the profit at the bottom line. They like walmart see their work force as expendable. Let me run this theory past you We as a company want to close our operations, but we don't want to terminate everyone so that we would have to pay unemployment or give the employee a severance package to save money We set an goal that we know most people are going to have trouble meeting because we know that they aren't sales people (The person with the highest seniority in my department right now has a .71% sales percent, not 71% POINT SEVEN ONE Percent)By setting this unrealistic goal (4 percent or more for six months straight) they can say they fired us because we failed in our jobs, therefore they don't have to pay us unemployment. we act like we are trying really hard to get people to make the goal so that we can go before a lawyer, if we are sued by an angry employee and say "See we tried everything we could to give them the tools to succeed and they failed on their own" I mean it seems awfully odd to me, that they screw my yearly evaluation so that I can't transfer out of the department or be promoted, but yet they gave me a raise. Which from what I understand of the grapevine they did to several other people.

ElizabethAnne -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/9/2010 11:01:14 AM)
Hello, When you are in sales, there are several things evaluate, the company has set a sales quota at 4%. 4% of what? Is that 4% over last years dollars? Is it 4% growth from the month before? What does 4% represent? The company I work for had quota for most of the sales people last year of 30% - a 30% increase from the year before. What product are you selling? Is there a need for the product? Who are your customers? Who are your prospects? Where do you get leads? Sales is a number game. Provided there is a need, the product is a good product and you contact people that NEED your product - sales people will sell. Now if your product doesn't work, a product no one needs, it makes it just tad more difficult to sell. ;) Not sure I would exert a lot of energy into the rumor mill, rather, develop your prospect list, and just go sell. In sales, negativity breeds negativity and if you are trying to sell, it's highly important to remain positive. Happy selling! Elizabeth

MasterJohnSteed -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/9/2010 11:39:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ElizabethAnne Not sure I would exert a lot of energy into the rumor mill, rather, develop your prospect list, and just go sell. In sales, negativity breeds negativity and if you are trying to sell, it's highly important to remain positive. Elizabeth Elizabeth, I was hired by my company to do tech support, pure plain and simple. I was told that I would never have to sell, never have to take payments etc. They lied to me. Or rather they got some Damn Yankee to come in there and upset the apple cart. The Product that I am being asked to sell doesn't work half the damn time and oh yes let me give you a couple of other points they have a sales department twice the size of the tech department or the customer service department they have direct sales (people that go knock on doors) they have a telemarketing department they have they have print, television and radio advertisements SO why do I need to do any kind of d@mn sales. Sales people think its so easy and if they are positive and communicate with the customer they will automatically sell I'd like to know how you expect to sell to a customer whose services haven't worked right for over a month, that we have had repeated service reps to her house, with out the service being fixed and then the tech that was to be at their house today canceled the appointment. But if I don't ask that customer for a sale then I am not doing my job! BULL CR@P! I have over 15 years with computers, and tech systems, I am not certified, and you ask any real tech and they will tell you their A+ or MCP or NET or Wireless# certification is something nice to hang on the wall, so if I lose this job while I might know my job HR departments out there are looking for a piece of paper. I really don't want to have to become an independent contractor, because then I have to pay for my own insurance, my own computer parts, my own internet etc and so on. Let me do the job I was hired for. Yes I am angry I am hellaious angry.

ElizabethAnne -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/9/2010 12:15:57 PM)
Whoa...back up Bud. I did NOT say it was easy. I also quantified my post IF the products works, IF there is a need. You have choices, do the job to the best of your ability; quit and find another job; wait till they fire you..... or continue to bitch about it and be angry, which will get you no where. If they fire you, then depending on the circumstances you'll draw unemployment; And you can always go get that damn piece of paper to hang on the wall. If you aren't willing to do something about your current job situation, then it's your own fault. There are always options. It's just some people would rather complain than do something. Be a victim, or be in control of your life. Elizabeth

DesFIP -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/9/2010 12:16:51 PM)
You may not want to become an independent contractor or take classes at night to get the certification so people will hire you. But you can't change what is going on. You know they're going to fire people. Lots of people. Whining about how they shouldn't do this is foolish. Look for work. Sign up for classes so you can tell a new HR department interviewer that you are in the process of getting the certification. Or wait till you get fired and then flip burgers. Your choice.

Termyn8or -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/11/2010 6:45:45 AM)
I cut through all the bullshit. For one, how long have you been there ? Any claims of poor perfomance can be fought effectively with the length of term, that is if you coudn't do the job, why didn't they fire you the the first month or two ? And they can't really escalate job qualifications all that fast, or they could hire you as a floor sweeper and then require you to do open heart surgery. Some people may see that as a strawman move, but dammit we are talking about important shit here. You use whatever means possible to get over, that's the game they play, so don't act like a sheep. Now get this. I would have to charge you a fee because I would have to get familiar with the laws in your area about such things and it would take time, Might be a couple hundred, but I could prepare you to operate in court pro se, where you represent yourself. Very few people know the intrica.... (sp) of the law. (sorry it is Sunday morning) But then you can do it yourself, a shitload of reading and all that. But time is money and all you are fighting for is an unemployment check. Things are different for different people. If you are a high performer there, look for another job and make sure they call for a reference on you. If you are an average perfomer this might not work. But you should look for another job now, no matter what. If you are doing cold calls (I hope you know what I mean) these companies do frequently fold up and reopen later. If so if you can get in with the management, your next job could be in the works already. And maybe even better with experience, you could be the floor manager or something. You could be something. That field is different than mine but in my case I insist on meeting the owner of any company for which I work. But that's me, and has not always been 100% true. Big money will not adapt, they expect us to adapt. For example though, if you are doing cold calls selling people something they don't want or need, why don't you just find soething they do want or need and start dialing ? Fukit. We need more entrepeneurial(sp) spirit in this country rather than relying on "the man" to take care of us, which basically enslaves us. You need options, find them and consider them. And download the hillbilly song "Take This Job And Shove it". T

xxblushesxx -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/11/2010 7:04:41 AM)
You could not POSSIBLY prepare him for court. What you are suggesting, Term is called unauthorized practice of law. You can't get out of it by saying that you are not a lawyer and nothing you say should be construed as legal advice. The fact is, what you are suggesting IS legal advice, and then you compound your problem by offering to do so for a fee. If the OP payed you for legal advice (whatever you call it, it is still legal advice) and was monetarily damaged by your "help", he could sue you and recover the money he paid you, plus court costs and fees, plus any actual damages he had. (in the state of Ohio.)

Musicmystery -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/11/2010 7:12:01 AM)
quote: I was hired by my company to do tech support, pure plain and simple. I was told that I would never have to sell JS, I don't mean this unkindly, but rather realistically--grow up! EVERYONE in a business is in sales. It's where the money comes from. To the extent that you have/like/create worlds apart from that reality is the extent to which you are prime to be cut. And frankly, rightly so. Looking for a new job is a good idea. It will give you a sense to your real place in the market. Then adjust accordingly. Good luck to you.

pahunkboy -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/11/2010 10:07:33 AM)
FR: you sound very unhappy there. Look around for another job. Once you locate a decent job- give your 2 week notice.

Termyn8or -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/11/2010 11:11:24 PM)
"The fact is, what you are suggesting IS legal advice, " And ? When I tell people to cut out the carbs am I a doctor ? A doctor is not liable so why the fuck should I be ? Many lawyers are found to be incompetent and nothing happens to them. Docs cut off the wrong leg and nothing happens to them. I appreciate your concern but I can defend myself quite well in any jurisdiction when it comes to this. I cannot walk into court with the OP, and THAT is the biggest travesty of justice in this country because you are supposed to have the counsel of your choice as an advocate in court. Little do you know there is a movement on to change this. If I were a lawyer and gave a fuck, the Napster case would have come out quite differently and one of my lawyers agrees completely. I get cut rates for top nocth representation because they know that I know the deal. Let's put it this way, if the OP was on the job for nine months or more I can win a wrongful termination case, the settlement of which would exceed unemployment benefits. If legally allowed I could represent him, no problem, but I have to get familiar with the laws in his state. But it is not allowed because I am not part of the "old boy" network. Go ahead and call three neurosurgeons to fix your hot water tank. T

xxblushesxx -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/12/2010 4:09:48 AM)
See? That's the thing. YOU cannot give legal advice. You CAN'T. You're not trained, and you're not capable. Hell, I spent three years learning to be a PARAlegal, and I would not dream of giving legal advice. Anyone who pays you money to teach them how to behave and what to say in court, gets exactly what (s)he deserve.

soul2share -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/12/2010 8:09:20 AM)
Simple solution here...look for another job.....no sense being miserable. And, as it was stated, it's much easier to look for a job when you have one. Just be honest about why you're looking....politically correct, but honest. And if you don't want prospective employers to contact your current one, then tell them that too, but be prepared to give them a name of someone who can provide a reference for you. I've been in the position of facing layoffs and job cuts....I saw it coming, and took action long before anyone else did, and I got me a new job. Yes, I had to relocate across the country, but what the heck.....I'm better of now than I was where I was.

dreamerdreaming -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/12/2010 8:19:38 AM)
Lose the anger and bitterness. Its not working for you. Be happy that you MAY have another couple of months of employment to carry you through until you get a better job. And NOW GO GET IT! BE HAPPY! CHANGE IS GOOD! MAKE A CHANGE! [:)]

pahunkboy -> RE: Am I being lied too?? Part Two! (7/12/2010 11:34:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx See? That's the thing. YOU cannot give legal advice. You CAN'T. You're not trained, and you're not capable. Hell, I spent three years learning to be a PARAlegal, and I would not dream of giving legal advice. Anyone who pays you money to teach them how to behave and what to say in court, gets exactly what (s)he deserve. Most everything on a message board is for entertainment. Buyer beware as it were. I doubt Term could make things worse. The OP is unhappy.... and that is unlikely to change. No one really wants to end up in court.... not the way all that costs big money.

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