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Abstracts -> New and Contemplative (7/10/2010 1:20:49 PM)

My lady and I have begun discussing the merits of having long term pet. Now, I don't know the definitions of the terms used in the lifestyle community because I've always just gone my own way. I've only recently begun exploring what is universally accepted in this community. That said, a slave and a pet are two different things to me. A slave is a sub for more of a fetishist, someone with lots of kink and masochistic tendencies. Someone who may or may not be emotionally dependent on their master, but receive little emotional support. They are simply used. On the other hand, a master/pet relationship may or may not involve sadism and masochism but there is definitely emotional support from both sides, though in different ways. The pet is subordinate but also has their needs met, those needs being the responsibility of the master or mistress. Now from what I have gathered in my reading, this is not exactly the case for these terms in this lifestyle community. However, that's not the main point of this post. But I wanted to define what my partner and I are looking for, a pet, by that basic and bare bones definition.

Now I've always been a thinker and the D/s relationship has always fascinated me. I've spent a great deal of time contemplating it without doing much reading. Any research was more observing the relationship in action and drawing conclusions from that. That said, my lady and I are new to this. She is dominant when it comes to women, switch when it comes to me. I've always been dominant in pretty much every aspect of my life. We are both assertive, dynamic, and ambitious.

But from time to time, she likes to pin me down on the bed, and I let her, despite having to fight my urge to take over. (She enjoys it whether I do or don't.) This has been the dynamic in a good many of my relationships and it's made me realize something. Subs have something over dominants that undeniably puts them in the superior position. And that is that if they do not want to submit, they do not have to. Forced slavery is a thing of the past. From what I can tell, all legal subs in this lifestyle are consenting. From this I surmised that the key to being a dominant is not forcing submission, but getting the sub to want to submit. Am I right?

My question is this. What are some techniques to begin instilling that dynamic in the beginning of a D/s relationship? I often like to answer my own questions, so here's the way I see it. The key to it is the specific people. One sub does not fit all doms and one dom does not fit all subs. Is it simply an issue of finding the right person or is there more to it? And being new to this lifestyle, what are some of the other key issues to consider? What's the best way to learn and gain experience? Diving in with a sub and making educated choices or watching another dom with their sub and observing the relationship dynamics?

I've got more questions floating around in my head, but this is all I'll post for now. I thank you all for your time.

With honor,

-Tobias




Focus50 -> RE: New and Contemplative (7/10/2010 1:47:20 PM)

Crikey, you don't think you might have a better time enjoying and appreciating what you're actually doing rather than thinking it all to death?

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ORIGINAL: Abstracts

Subs have something over dominants that undeniably puts them in the superior position. And that is that if they do not want to submit, they do not have to. Forced slavery is a thing of the past. From what I can tell, all legal subs in this lifestyle are consenting. From this I surmised that the key to being a dominant is not forcing submission, but getting the sub to want to submit. Am I right?


Not quite. Any beer-swilling numb-nuts can kick back and passively enjoy the fruits of a submissive's service. But getting them to submit implies there's active dominance in return - so both enjoy the fruits of the other's presence, aka Power Exchange. The "Exchange" is an important and relevant factor.

Focus.




Abstracts -> RE: New and Contemplative (7/10/2010 1:54:26 PM)

What I'm saying is, in the end, no one has to do anything they don't want to do. They may have to suffer consequences, but they can still choose not to do it. Even if it means ending the relationship. But if you care to, you can divulge more on this power exchange. What does it mean to you?

And yeah, I tend to be over-analytical.

Edit: Besides, I don't particularly like going into a situation without thinking it over and being informed. Doing so a recipe for disaster in my opinion. But I do plan to enjoy the lifestyle if we find that it's something right for us.




DesFIP -> RE: New and Contemplative (7/10/2010 2:58:13 PM)

It's very simple, to inspire someone to submit to you, you have to be worth submitting to.

The devil is in the details of course. It means that you don't just give out random orders without thinking them through. Forcing someone to choose between going to their grandmother's 85th birthday or cleaning your bathroom will teach them that you don't care about her and helping her keep a strong support system which everyone needs.

It also means that you don't watch someone struggle and fail so you can have the excuse of punishing them. Even if you really wanted to nap while they did the job. Because once you order it, it is your responsibility to teach them to succeed. He could order me to change the oil in the car and punish me for not doing it. But no matter how many beatings he gave me, I still wouldn't know where the plug was. Because I haven't been taught that.

So you don't go around telling them to wear a butt plug at work when you know this will make it difficult to do her job, get good evaluations and keep the job when cutbacks come. You want the rights of a dominant, then you willingly embrace the responsibilities that go with it.




Director87 -> RE: New and Contemplative (7/10/2010 8:25:03 PM)

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That said, a slave and a pet are two different things to me. A slave is a sub for more of a fetishist, someone with lots of kink and masochistic tendencies. Someone who may or may not be emotionally dependent on their master, but receive little emotional support. They are simply used. On the other hand, a master/pet relationship may or may not involve sadism and masochism but there is definitely emotional support from both sides, though in different ways. The pet is subordinate but also has their needs met, those needs being the responsibility of the master or mistress. Now from what I have gathered in my reading, this is not exactly the case for these terms in this lifestyle community. However, that's not the main point of this post. But I wanted to define what my partner and I are looking for, a pet, by that basic and bare bones definition.


I know this wasn't your main point, but I just wanted to say that the way you described the Master/pet relationship is how I would describe a Master/slave relationship. There has to be emotional support on both ends and their needs must also be met. You can't just use the slave (unless it's a once off night of meaningless) but you have to care for them as well. At least that is how I've always seen it/been.




Focus50 -> RE: New and Contemplative (7/12/2010 1:42:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Abstracts

What I'm saying is, in the end, no one has to do anything they don't want to do. They may have to suffer consequences, but they can still choose not to do it. Even if it means ending the relationship. But if you care to, you can divulge more on this power exchange. What does it mean to you?


Power Exchange is a whole other topic but to understand it, first you have to define individual power. And I've always defined it as desirability; that *anyone* who has something you desire has a certain power over you. In the world of D/s, submissives have unique qualities that vanilla women do not - qualities that I need and desire in a partner; which defines their power. And I have dominant qualities that I know only submissives appreciate, need and desire - my power. In that context, Dom and sub *power* rank equal (in mutually complementing desirability).

Power Exchange is simply a dynamic where each makes available that which the other desires for mutual fulfillment. For eg, if I happen to enjoy the helplessness of my girl being tightly bound for several hours straight (and I do) without being an abusive arsehole about it, then it really helps to have a partner or subject who gets off on being helplessly bound for several hours straight - presto; a working form of Power Exchange....



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And yeah, I tend to be over-analytical.

Edit: Besides, I don't particularly like going into a situation without thinking it over and being informed. Doing so a recipe for disaster in my opinion. But I do plan to enjoy the lifestyle if we find that it's something right for us.


Well I don't, either, but there still needs to be some balance. Seems to me there's borderline trust issues going on if you have to analyse every little thing. I really don't need to know the intricate workings of a mechanical clock just to get the time, for eg; that I can also accept some things just do.

Focus.




bliss4us09 -> RE: New and Contemplative (7/14/2010 8:37:00 AM)

You're correct that specific techniques are different in specific situations but, speaking philosophically, I think the key is to help the sub understand that s/he is submitting to her/his own nature, that her submission is just an expression of her/him being who she truly is. If s/he understands this, s/he will find deep satisfaction in submitting.




sexyred1 -> RE: New and Contemplative (7/14/2010 9:04:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Abstracts

A slave is a sub for more of a fetishist, someone with lots of kink and masochistic tendencies. Someone who may or may not be emotionally dependent on their master, but receive little emotional support. They are simply used. On the other hand, a master/pet relationship may or may not involve sadism and masochism but there is definitely emotional support from both sides, though in different ways. The pet is subordinate but also has their needs met, those needs being the responsibility of the master or mistress. Now from what I have gathered in my reading, this is not exactly the case for these terms in this lifestyle community.
With honor,

-Tobias



I think you will find many who disagree with your assessment of subs vs. slaves. In fact, there are reams of threads about this.

Remember that a person's identification is based only on individual perception; not pre-defined labels from some "lifestyle community".

I am constantly amazed at the semantic wars that go on around here. It is far easier to just try and meet someone you hit it off with and go from there.

If someone said to me, do you want to be a sub, slave or pet, I would shake my head and say I am whatever I am and will be.... should you and I have the requisite chemistry and compatibility to be anything.




Abstracts -> RE: New and Contemplative (7/14/2010 12:09:29 PM)

That makes sense, and I agree that semantics aren't really that important. I'm simply giving definition and light to my views for the sake of having a word to use. You've all given good advice and I will take it all into consideration. Thanks.




sexyred1 -> RE: New and Contemplative (7/14/2010 12:21:23 PM)

That's cool. I am glad to read about someone who actually thinks; it is refreshing. [;)]

Enjoy!

By the way, you are both too adorable.




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