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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/15/2010 3:54:20 PM   
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Wow- that was fast.

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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/15/2010 4:38:42 PM   
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Perhaps with the cement plug they can maintain a backpressure as they drill whereas with plain drilling they don't typically do so?


Nah, because the relief well is just plain drilling. It's just a regular well that taps into the existing borehole, then they pump mud through the relief well into the original borehole until the weight of the mud becomes greater than the pressure of the upflowing oil. Only at that point is the cement brought into play, many hours - perhaps even days - after the relief well taps into the original casing.



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We know it's basically make it up as you go along because if they had a plan it wouldn't have taken 80 plus days to fix it.


No argument from me, bro. It's utterly mind-boggling to me that nobody in any capacity, either in the industry or the government, anticipated this possibility. In my opinion, people need to go to prison over this. For long periods of time.



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Are they going to incorporate this cap with 'partial relief values' on all future drilling expeditions? Seems like a pretty straightforward idea to gradually increase the pressure, why it wasn't incorporated to the original BOP is uncertain.


In this case, it wouldn't have done any good, because it would have been destroyed or badly damaged by the blowout itself. The only way they could get this thing attached was to unbolt the damaged original riser pipe and bolt the new contraption on. If it had already been on there, this would have been the damaged pipe. One thing that I think will be different in the future, though, is that if (god forbid) anything like this ever happens again, this will be Plan A, instead of being Plan Three Months And 225,000,000 Gallons After The Fucking Thing Blows Up.



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The original BOP design operation was to clamp down and crush the pipe stopping the flow immediately. If it had occurred to them at the time that the leaky hosepipe analogy would have been an issue then I don't see how this would have been the ideal design operation of the BOP.


You've touched on an issue that I think is going to get a lot of discussion  going forward, as we move past the "quick put out the fire!!!" phase and into the "thank god that's over, how do we keep this from happening again" phase.

I don't think anyone seriously considered the possibility that a major blowout could damage the casing so badly, throughout the entire length of the borehole, that a blowout preventer could do more harm than good. They're going to have to consider it now, though, because there's a very real possibility that had the blowout preventer worked as intended - and slammed the pipe shut instantaneously - the well could have been so badly damaged by the backpressure that they might never have been able to shut it off with a relief well.

They're obviously going to have to fundamentally reconsider everything they thought they knew about deepwater drilling, including the possibility that they may never be able to do it safely at all. The pressure in the Macando formation is around 25,000 psi, which is very high by conventional standards, but nothing compared to some of the huge deepwater reservoirs that the industry is hoping to drill in the coming years - some of which exceed pressures of 35,000 psi. It may very well be that we simply do not have the technology to safely tap into those pressures. Certainly we don't know now, which is why we haven't drilled them, but it may well be that we'll never be able to. We shall see.

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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/15/2010 5:27:50 PM   
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ok my mistake, oil leak is politics and religion.. not off topic



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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/15/2010 5:51:40 PM   
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Nah, that's Health & Safety!
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Off-topic is for asking questions such as: "Hey what is this lump on my foot, should I squeeze it and see what comes out?"

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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/15/2010 5:59:57 PM   
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This Oil Leak problem is similar to Nuclear Plant problems. When something bad goes wrong, everyone is at a loss of what to do next. If the thunder don't get you, then the lightning will.

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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/15/2010 6:17:49 PM   
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That's a bad comparison in my view because in a Nuclear power plant there are written procedures for virtually every eventuality that could occur based on:

1. People acknowledging what has occurred before
2. People brainstorming what could occur.

There does not seem to have been enough done in this respect for this incident. Every accident should be preventable especially when the stakes are so high. Worse still it isn't the first such incident and virtually all the same remedies that failed this time were tried and failed in the previous spill.


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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/15/2010 6:23:03 PM   
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Saw a live video feed of the well head NOT spewing oil for the 1st time.

Boy that was a good feeling.

Not a good,good feeling.More like the good feeling you get when killing spree has ended.It`s still a tragedy but at least it`s over.


I still feel bad about the ocean,people and animals that`ve been hurt and are hurting.And the future damage that`ll result from oil still in the gulf.

But seeing no oil leaking was good.

The next 48 hrs are key to this latest efforts.

Pray folks.

The two relief wells are still a few weeks away.

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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/15/2010 6:48:16 PM   
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Amen hon

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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/16/2010 6:05:12 AM   
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Something I am not getting in this whole mess, now that they have it capped and under control, and they look like they have a way out of this, why are they not going to pump it out?

The mud and the cement is going to displace the oil, and where is it going to go?  To other pockets to search for or seep out or what? The well becomes unusable.

This whole thing is sorta like getting a really horrible blowjob, and then the bitch spits besides.

We have lost in every which direction there is to lose out.


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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/16/2010 6:56:01 AM   
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....a really horrible blowjob



An oxymoron if I've ever heard one.

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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/16/2010 6:59:35 AM   
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....a really horrible blowjob



An oxymoron if I've ever heard one.




Maybe you'll understand after you get some experience with blowjobs, RML.

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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/16/2010 7:01:03 AM   
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I don't know TheHeretic. If she stops half way through, thats horrible.

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Maybe you'll understand after you get some experience with blowjobs, RML.


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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/16/2010 7:06:18 AM   
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....a really horrible blowjob



An oxymoron if I've ever heard one.




Maybe you'll understand after you get some experience with blowjobs, RML.


Why?

Are you offering to demonstrate Richie?

I'm really not that way but if you have a real "purty" mouth I might reconsider.






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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/16/2010 7:13:08 AM   
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I really didnt intend to derail this about blowjobs, we can talk about them any time.

My question, since they have the ability to send oil up the pipes to the surface, is why dont they pump that bitch dry?

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RE: Oil flow stopped!? - 7/16/2010 7:17:49 AM   
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I really didnt intend to derail this about blowjobs, we can talk about them any time.

My question, since they have the ability to send oil up the pipes to the surface, is why dont they pump that bitch dry?

Because there's a hell of a lot down there, and that would take quite a while.
(unless that was a rhetorical question, of course...)

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