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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/15/2010 5:20:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		But isnt it true that a terror attack would boost Obamas ratings?    isnt it true his ratings have declined and they thing the GOP will take the house?




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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/15/2010 5:44:32 PM   
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But isnt it true that a terror attack would boost Obamas ratings?    isnt it true his ratings have declined and they thing the GOP will take the house?






No. Blame for a terror attack would be placed squarely on his shoulders for treating terrorists as criminals instead of the enemy. His "overseas contingency operation" and "man caused disaster" would be shoved so far up his ass he'd turn black as he was ridden out of the WH.

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/15/2010 5:55:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		For those who don't link PaHunk's link, here is the Financial Times article the statement is buried in (second paragraph, below the graph of President Obama's approval numbers)
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/434315b2-8ea6-11df-8a67-00144feab49a.html

As for the contention that an attack would automatically improve his numbers, Shapiro contends that only an attack could do this because it would give the President a chance at "demonstrating that he is a leader who can command confidence." I have seen no evidence that our President is competent to do any such thing. At least not without a practice swing, first, and a do-over.

I don't even like to speculate on a successful attack, but the apparent strategy of this administration to rely on the terrorists fucking up is only going to go so far.

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/15/2010 5:56:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Under the previous administration whether or not you are classified as a terrorist or criminal seems to only be affected by whether or not you were American.

A justice system is supposed to treat everyone in a consistent manor this is how people gain faith in it i.e. by seeing this occur. When you have one rule for natives and one rule for aliens or one rule for crimes committed abroad and one rule for crimes committed at home, people lose faith and the vague legal distinctions get lost on them.

They see a system where rules of convenience apply. The justice system should be a burden to the state not a convenience because the individual is supposed to be more important than the state, in terms of the justice system.


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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/15/2010 6:03:13 PM   
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For those who don't link PaHunk's link, here is the Financial Times article the statement is buried in (second paragraph, below the graph of President Obama's approval numbers)
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/434315b2-8ea6-11df-8a67-00144feab49a.html

As for the contention that an attack would automatically improve his numbers, Shapiro contends that only an attack could do this because it would give the President a chance at "demonstrating that he is a leader who can command confidence." I have seen no evidence that our President is competent to do any such thing. At least not without a practice swing, first, and a do-over.

I don't even like to speculate on a successful attack, but the apparent strategy of this administration to rely on the terrorists fucking up is only going to go so far.



Thank you for elaborating and expounding here.  It helps cut to the chase.  :-)

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 7:03:37 AM   
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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 7:45:29 AM   
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0bamao and his ilk would blame Booooosh!!!!!!!



Isn't it getting kind of late for that?

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 8:29:07 AM   
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0bamao and his ilk would blame Booooosh!!!!!!!



Isn't it getting kind of late for that?



Its kind of late for that over almost any issue. Doesnt stop them from doing it.

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 3:35:23 PM   
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Greetings all...

How many liberals still blame current problems on Nixon and Regan? I keep seeing their names brought up to denigrate someone or something that they had nothing to do with, or at least not directly. The conservatives do it to a lesser extent with Carter and a somewhat similar amount with Clinton.

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 4:07:37 PM   
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0bamao and his ilk would blame Booooosh!!!!!!!



Isn't it getting kind of late for that?



Its kind of late for that over almost any issue. Doesnt stop them from doing it.


But it's not too late to blame Clinton or Carter, which happens on a nearly daily basis.  In fact I saw a post earlier where they were both mentioned.

Too funny.

I guess it really becomes embarrassing when there is too much evidence to continue defending the man you supported for eight years.

No wait, let me correct that.  It was closer to seven years.

Right around the time Bush's popularity ratings fell into the 20% range and Republicans started to view him as a liability in 2008.

That was when he went from a great leader and a staunch conservative to being a RINO that no conservatives ever really supported.

Way too funny.



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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 4:25:19 PM   
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0bamao and his ilk would blame Booooosh!!!!!!!



Isn't it getting kind of late for that?



Its kind of late for that over almost any issue. Doesnt stop them from doing it.


But it's not too late to blame Clinton or Carter, which happens on a nearly daily basis.  In fact I saw a post earlier where they were both mentioned.

Too funny.

I guess it really becomes embarrassing when there is too much evidence to continue defending the man you supported for eight years.

No wait, let me correct that.  It was closer to seven years.

Right around the time Bush's popularity ratings fell into the 20% range and Republicans started to view him as a liability in 2008.

That was when he went from a great leader and a staunch conservative to being a RINO that no conservatives ever really supported.

Way too funny.






There is a difference between citing specific policies/legislation as causing or enabling a problem and non-specific whining that "we inherited it wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh".

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 4:29:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can name numerous specific Bush policies that caused and enabled the current problems this country faces.

But you know what they are, you are only trying to be evasive. 

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 4:30:07 PM   
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There is a difference between citing specific policies/legislation as causing or enabling a problem and non-specific whining that "we inherited it wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh".


So name a problem Obama didn`t inherit.

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 4:30:37 PM   
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I'm can name numerous specific Bush policies that caused and enabled the current problems this country faces.





Then feel free to raise them.

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 4:34:21 PM   
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I'm can name numerous specific Bush policies that caused and enabled the current problems this country faces.





Then feel free to raise them.


You would only claim Bush inherited them from Clinton or Carter.

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 4:41:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		WTF is the point of this while thing?  Obama has HAD two crises.  They just weren't initiated by terrorists.

1. The Somalian pirates.  You can call it luck, but Obama did flawlessly under pressure.  Somehow it never helped his image.
2. The BP spill.  His initial response didn't engender a lot of confidence, but the GOP's response to coddle poor BP has demolished any chance of using it against Obama.  As a matter of fact, Barton is being cited as an example of the corporate-loving GOP in a populist time.




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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 4:52:27 PM   
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Then feel free to raise them.
Does Reagan count?  If so, Operation Cyclone.


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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 10:10:22 PM   
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I'm can name numerous specific Bush policies that caused and enabled the current problems this country faces.





Then feel free to raise them.


You would only claim Bush inherited them from Clinton or Carter.


Dont claim you know what I would do when you dont have a fucking clue.

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 10:22:20 PM   
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..........Bush partly because he had only just become an incumbent.........



Bush had just been elected (sorry, appointed!! ) President. He was voted in as an incumbent 4 years later.

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RE: 'Only Terror Attack Can Save Obama' - Clinton Official - 7/16/2010 10:30:05 PM   
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WTF is the point of this while thing?  Obama has HAD two crises.  They just weren't initiated by terrorists.

1. The Somalian pirates.  You can call it luck, but Obama did flawlessly under pressure.  Somehow it never helped his image.
2. The BP spill.  His initial response didn't engender a lot of confidence, but the GOP's response to coddle poor BP has demolished any chance of using it against Obama.  As a matter of fact, Barton is being cited as an example of the corporate-loving GOP in a populist time.





1. Flawlessly is a bit of a stretch. He made the right decsion but it took too long.
2. If not demonizing someone and assuming that they are going to comply with the law when there is no reason to think otherwise is "coddling", you have a point.

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