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pahunkboy -> Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/15/2010 8:02:29 PM)
Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers

LadyPact -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/15/2010 8:15:56 PM)
While I definitely feel this is going to impact Oakland, the headline is completely misleading. Since when is a lay off equated to firing?

Termyn8or -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/15/2010 8:22:30 PM)
Maybe I should move there. T

ElectraGlide -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/15/2010 8:24:22 PM)
Maybe crime went down so far, they don't need them anymore.

vincentML -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/15/2010 8:30:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Maybe I should move there. T Maybe. You want smaller govt, you got smaller govt. Nobody should bitch imo.

pahunkboy -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/15/2010 8:30:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact While I definitely feel this is going to impact Oakland, the headline is completely misleading. Since when is a lay off equated to firing? I wonder what % of the force that is.

Termyn8or -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/15/2010 9:03:26 PM)
I can't seem to get that easily, but I can say this much, it appears they are laying off one officer for every 5,000 people roughly. Salaries range from $70K and up, so with a typical benefit package that is that is around $8 million. What are we talking, $15-18 per person ? I was looking for some stat on how many cops per citizen, and cities boast about that, if they can, but they might not be in a position to boast. So that would be the last part of the puzzle. How many cops per capita, which could still be quite robust. Perhaps the Chamber of Commerce ? If you can just get that figure, we don't neeed all this fancy back figuring, just how many people per cop, and then how many people ? That would simplify the whole question immensely. T

Brain -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/15/2010 10:11:10 PM)
Many cities will be laying off employees when the stimulus money runs out – a lot of people say it’s going to get worse. Too bad people vote for Republicans instead of progressives.

Zevar -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/15/2010 11:07:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers Unfortunately Oakland is being forgotten once again. Here on the West coast and especially in Oakland there are approximately 400,000 or so people and still the crime rate increases beyond what one could imagine. I recall not long ago of traveling to meet with a good friend of mine for dinner in Oakland. As I sat in the restaurant with my friend I noticed just outside the window there were young men surrounding my vehicle. I thought at first they were just admiring my expensive and very hard worked for auto. Wrong! In a split second they rocked my vehicle checking out my alarm system as they were attempting to get in through a window in my car. I quickly went outside and confronted them. They looked at me with a shocked look on their faces. I seriously had no fear. I was incensed that these young men thought that in broad daylight that they could just take what they wanted. Wrong again ! Oddly enough they put their hands in the air and begged, “Don’t shoot.” I was not armed with a weapon. Instead I was beyond angry and felt no fear. My Irish temper reared its fearsome axe. I gathered my thoughts. I backed off and directed them to sit down on the curbside. After speaking with these young men for a while it became evident that there were many issues in their lives that clearly are unresolved. I invited these young men in for dinner and paid for a meal for each of them. As they sat directly across the table from myself and my friend I thought of how the crime rate is majorly out of control and how the lives of these young men hang in the balance between Life and Death, day by day. Morning, noon and night. In the nutshell it was very obvious that these young men were not only attempting to break the law, they were also asking for help in a way that unfortunately in this area of California goes unheard and without a doubt unseen every day of the week, 24/7/365. By some that is. It is not the act of confrontation and my fearless Irish temper that I will always remember when I recall Oakland. Instead I will recall these young men who finally did get their lives going in a constructive direction. Am I too optimistic? Not hardly. I usually do not even drive to Oakland except when I have to. In hindsight I do not regret this experience. I was able to direct these young to an agency for assistance. This I will never forget. Instead what I will remember is that as a member of my community there is always a way to effect a change. I am not at all advocating confronting young men as I did. I am though advocating that some of what is behind the majority of youth related crimes is not what the media likes to report. Violence sells. Welcome to the Golden State!

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/16/2010 12:08:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zevar quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers Unfortunately Oakland is being forgotten once again. Here on the West coast and especially in Oakland there are approximately 400,000 or so people and still the crime rate increases beyond what one could imagine. I recall not long ago of traveling to meet with a good friend of mine for dinner in Oakland. As I sat in the restaurant with my friend I noticed just outside the window there were young men surrounding my vehicle. I thought at first they were just admiring my expensive and very hard worked for auto. Wrong! In a split second they rocked my vehicle checking out my alarm system as they were attempting to get in through a window in my car. I quickly went outside and confronted them. They looked at me with a shocked look on their faces. I seriously had no fear. I was incensed that these young men thought that in broad daylight that they could just take what they wanted. Wrong again ! Oddly enough they put their hands in the air and begged, “Don’t shoot.” I was not armed with a weapon. Instead I was beyond angry and felt no fear. My Irish temper reared its fearsome axe. I gathered my thoughts. I backed off and directed them to sit down on the curbside. After speaking with these young men for a while it became evident that there were many issues in their lives that clearly are unresolved. I invited these young men in for dinner and paid for a meal for each of them. As they sat directly across the table from myself and my friend I thought of how the crime rate is majorly out of control and how the lives of these young men hang in the balance between Life and Death, day by day. Morning, noon and night. In the nutshell it was very obvious that these young men were not only attempting to break the law, they were also asking for help in a way that unfortunately in this area of California goes unheard and without a doubt unseen every day of the week, 24/7/365. By some that is. It is not the act of confrontation and my fearless Irish temper that I will always remember when I recall Oakland. Instead I will recall these young men who finally did get their lives going in a constructive direction. Am I too optimistic? Not hardly. I usually do not even drive to Oakland except when I have to. In hindsight I do not regret this experience. I was able to direct these young to an agency for assistance. This I will never forget. Instead what I will remember is that as a member of my community there is always a way to effect a change. I am not at all advocating confronting young men as I did. I am though advocating that some of what is behind the majority of youth related crimes is not what the media likes to report. Violence sells. Welcome to the Golden State! welcome to fantasy island

thishereboi -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/16/2010 5:06:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Maybe I should move there. T Maybe. You want smaller govt, you got smaller govt. Nobody should bitch imo. You really have no clue what that means, do you?[8\|]

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/16/2010 5:20:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact While I definitely feel this is going to impact Oakland, the headline is completely misleading. Since when is a lay off equated to firing? Uhm, just off the top of my head I'd say a "layoff" is remarkably similar to a "firing" - in both cases they will be out of work and collecting unemployment. There is also the very real possibilty that those who were are laid off will not be re-called to the force when Oakland gets their financial act back together. Geez, LP, your comments usually make sense, but I guess everyone is allowed an off day now and then... What twisted my head was when Ms Arotzarena equated the deaths of 4 officers with the lay-off of 80. Hmmm... 4 dead vs 80 unemployed. I bet any one of those dead officers would happily trade-up to unemployment. ~Dave

rulemylife -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/16/2010 5:40:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Zevar Unfortunately Oakland is being forgotten once again. Here on the West coast and especially in Oakland there are approximately 400,000 or so people and still the crime rate increases beyond what one could imagine. I recall not long ago of traveling to meet with a good friend of mine for dinner in Oakland. As I sat in the restaurant with my friend I noticed just outside the window there were young men surrounding my vehicle. I thought at first they were just admiring my expensive and very hard worked for auto. Wrong! In a split second they rocked my vehicle checking out my alarm system as they were attempting to get in through a window in my car. I quickly went outside and confronted them. They looked at me with a shocked look on their faces. I seriously had no fear. I was incensed that these young men thought that in broad daylight that they could just take what they wanted. Wrong again ! Oddly enough they put their hands in the air and begged, “Don’t shoot.” I was not armed with a weapon. Instead I was beyond angry and felt no fear. My Irish temper reared its fearsome axe. I gathered my thoughts. I backed off and directed them to sit down on the curbside. After speaking with these young men for a while it became evident that there were many issues in their lives that clearly are unresolved. I invited these young men in for dinner and paid for a meal for each of them. As they sat directly across the table from myself and my friend I thought of how the crime rate is majorly out of control and how the lives of these young men hang in the balance between Life and Death, day by day. Morning, noon and night. In the nutshell it was very obvious that these young men were not only attempting to break the law, they were also asking for help in a way that unfortunately in this area of California goes unheard and without a doubt unseen every day of the week, 24/7/365. By some that is. It is not the act of confrontation and my fearless Irish temper that I will always remember when I recall Oakland. Instead I will recall these young men who finally did get their lives going in a constructive direction. Am I too optimistic? Not hardly. I usually do not even drive to Oakland except when I have to. In hindsight I do not regret this experience. I was able to direct these young to an agency for assistance. This I will never forget. Instead what I will remember is that as a member of my community there is always a way to effect a change. I am not at all advocating confronting young men as I did. I am though advocating that some of what is behind the majority of youth related crimes is not what the media likes to report. Violence sells. Welcome to the Golden State! welcome to fantasy island Careful Willbeur, you don't want his Irish temper rearing "its fearsome axe".

truckinslave -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/16/2010 6:47:40 AM)
I googled: oakland layoffs. The first eight pages of results produced no headlines mentioning layoffs of any government workers in Oakland, Ca. other than the police officers mentioned. (The teacher layoffs that popped up once were from Oakland County, Mi). Does anyone care to speculate why the city council would lay off police officers, and only police officers? [8\|]

Jeffff -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/16/2010 6:50:16 AM)
They voted incorrectly?

servantforuse -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/16/2010 6:52:20 AM)
It seems that there are many residents in Oakland who hate their police force and are probably happy about these layoffs. I wonder how they will feel when an already out of control crime rate gets even worse ? The residents of Oakland will have only themselves to blame.

rulemylife -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/16/2010 7:02:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse It seems that there are many residents in Oakland who hate their police force and are probably happy about these layoffs. I wonder how they will feel when an already out of control crime rate gets even worse ? The residents of Oakland will have only themselves to blame. And which conservative nutcase told this to you and Truckin? My bet is the fat cigar-chomping waste of humanity.

LadyPact -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/16/2010 7:14:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69 Uhm, just off the top of my head I'd say a "layoff" is remarkably similar to a "firing" - in both cases they will be out of work and collecting unemployment. There is also the very real possibilty that those who were are laid off will not be re-called to the force when Oakland gets their financial act back together. Geez, LP, your comments usually make sense, but I guess everyone is allowed an off day now and then... What twisted my head was when Ms Arotzarena equated the deaths of 4 officers with the lay-off of 80. Hmmm... 4 dead vs 80 unemployed. I bet any one of those dead officers would happily trade-up to unemployment. ~Dave They aren't saying they won't be recalled, either. The union and the city are still in contract negotiations. Two points that negotiations are stalled on are pension contributions and the term where the city will guarantee there won't be lay offs for three years. The city has offered a term of one year, which is being rejected.

pahunkboy -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/16/2010 7:44:08 AM)
I do think some crimes could be reported online. - one thing about online forms- less gets loss in the translation.

Vendaval -> RE: Oakland, Already Heading Into Dark Age, Fires 80 Police Officers (7/16/2010 1:28:37 PM)
Given your views on race, that would be a disaster. quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Maybe I should move there. T

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