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PeonForHer -> aaaa (7/17/2010 4:35:28 PM)
As I was vigorously whacking myself off a tadpole tornado last night, I began to meditate upon something that a very good, very wise and very dommely Domme friend of mine had mentioned in passing, recently. This was that while she could arrange things such that she was in control of a man and felt that she had power over him, she wasn't physically equipped to 'rape' him. A penis could force itself into a vagina, but a vagina couldn't force itself onto a penis. If a man isn't turned on, he droops - it's as simple as that. Or is it? In the past, I've toyed with various half-considered theories that a woman can force herself onto a man's cock. I kind of want it to be true that she can. But, to me, this is sort of the crux of the question of female dominance. Women don't have the physical equipment to force themselves on men, whereas men do have it if/when they want to force themselves on women. Does having a vagina make you feel disadvantaged? Would you prefer it if you could, as it were, rape a man? With what nature gave you, rather than something you need to strap onto yourself? This goes to the fundamental question, which is: how the fack can you be dominant, when all you are is a woman, with only what nature gives to women? Please tell me that you've found a way round this. I want to hear that women who feel turned on by being aggressive aren't inhibited by the fact that they 'only' have vaginas. I don't want to read anything that will be depressing in this respect. So, femdoms, if you have the slightest doubt that what you have to say won't assist me the next time I want to french-polish my flagpole, please don't say it. I shall cry if you, and you won't like that. Thank you. And another thing: I've used the word 'rape' here, a couple of times. I want politely to ask that we do not get into a discussion about 'real rape' versus 'BDSM rape'. The latter is completely different. It involves joyful feelings and fantasies of forcing or being forced, rather than the hideous, insane feelings of actually forcing or being forced. For feck's sake, let's not do that argument again . . . .

dreamerdreaming -> RE: aaaa (7/17/2010 5:16:05 PM)
Well I'm stating the obvious, but of course a man can be raped by a woman. Can you say "strap-on"? [8\|] I don't use strap-ons though- I just use my fingers. [:)] Also, if a guy had a hard-on I most certainly could rape him, in the traditional sense.

Lucienne -> RE: aaaa (7/17/2010 6:20:26 PM)
FR Not sure if I'm reading the OP correctly, but I can witness that it is possible to give a man an erection and bring him to climax without his consent (nominal or otherwise). There are certain bodily responses that are fairly automatic, and this is more true for men than it is for women. It is relatively easy for a man to merely penetrate a woman (which doesn't require her assistance at all, just a willingness of the man to push through a rough ride). But men are, in my opinion, far more vulnerable to certain cooperative stimulations. So... if I've understood the original question correctly, no, it really isn't necessary to have a phallus to "rape." Men are actually easier to drag into sexual congress against their conscious will than women are. Because women just lay there. And men's bodies work against them. Happy stroking?

LadyHibiscus -> RE: aaaa (7/17/2010 7:55:19 PM)
I am very happy to have a vagina. That's the consensus among my domly dom friends, too. (We had this discussion over dinner... more than once!) What we all want is a DETACHABLE penis, like in the song! Why? So we can ejaculate in someone. And pee into them without a funnel. Otherwise, the silicone models will do. I am trying to think of the last time I had to work hard to "force" anyone... hmmm.... well, let's say that I did not feel ill equipped! And that I am not giving away any tales of excitement, I am not that kind of an Auntie.

Politesub53 -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 2:45:50 AM)
Bram Stroker.......Nice OP. [sm=popcorn.gif] You have me wondering though. I am pretty sure if a woman was to touch the right spots, I would get hard. I think this may be a case where the automatic reproductive responses kick in of their own accord. So to sum up. If a woman was to trick me into letting her tie me up, then nibble my ears (see note 1), I think I might respond. 1) Ladies, list of my turn ons available by request. [:)]

PeonForHer -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 4:02:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucienne But men are, in my opinion, far more vulnerable to certain cooperative stimulations. quote: Because women just lay there. And men's bodies work against them. Happy stroking? Lucienne - yes - happy stroking indeed! :-) I hadn't really considered that point before - that in many ways it's easy to produce an erection in a man 'against his will'. I put that latter phrase in inverted commas . . . but maybe it really doesn't need them. Moreover, submales might particularly be wired that way. Lady Hib . . . Thinking about it now, my friend who made that comment in passing - about not being able to force a man - said it in such a way that it now makes me think that it didn't matter to her. DD, particularly: Hey, we're humans. We adapt what nature gave us. It's natural for us to do that. Polite: I keep thinking about that story going around - of men who are being hanged developing erections. I must get googling! I have a little hypothesis that evolution would have arranged it that men get turned on against their will - by necessity. Though, admittedly, I've got zero evidence to support it. I'm happy with the responses so far and am pleased to inform all four of you that may continue to add to this thread.

Sylverdawn -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 4:43:46 AM)
Being dominant for me has nothing to do with my genitals... dominance is a personality trait... so no I dont feel disadvantaged by that.. Physically overwhelming a male and taking advantage of him in a sexually raping him.... is possible.. are there times I wish I came equipped sure enough.. but Im told by my male friends if they had tits they would never leave the house.. so I guess the door swings both ways... MsB.

MsMillgrove -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 5:44:22 AM)
What LadyHB said is exactly how I and my domme friends feel--we'd just love a detachable real penis. We were discussing this very topic on Friday night. No matter how much you love a strap-on.. you can't feel with it. And like someone else mentioned, if you're not a strap-on fan, (and I am not one) at least the fingers can work miracles. The ladies in this discussion had all witnessed a bj performed by a very talented sub on a woman wearing her fake dick--and we agreed it was one of the "hottest" things we'd ever seen because the sub was incredibly good and the domme was intensely proud of her dick and excited. So.. even if you're not personally into your own dick, we're all witnesses to the fact that if someone else is into theirs--watching them force themselves on another can be incredibly hot. on the topic of rape: I cannot resist the opportunity to share: Speaking of Fri night... i actually discovered a virgin ass, engaged in a "pretend" rape fantasy and popped a cherry, was the envy of all my friends for once.. and almost passed out with the extreme excitement and pleasure of the experience. I spent the next day in bed, trying to get off the "high". it was one of my all time thrills in kink. back to answer a question of OP: can you force yourself on the cock? Even if the guy is not willing, often the cock is. I think we'd all agree that restraint is usually employed to render the male helpless so that the cock can be toyed with... But if the cock won't cooperate.. well what can you do?

LadyCimarron -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 8:36:40 AM)
1. Men have no control over their penises. You guys get hard even when you don't "want" to have sex. Women often use this to our advantage. 2. You should rent "Disclosure" with Demi Moore and Michael Douglas. She will show you in now uncertain terms how a woman can indeed, rape a man. Depsite the fact that it was an extremely hot scene, it was a rape attempt in the sense that he said no numerous times and had to fight her off of him.

LadyPact -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 9:12:26 AM)
Let Me assure you, peon, it is absolutely possible to rape a man. All that is required is the ability to take him down and use a quick tie to secure him. (As I always say to both genders, I don't care how big and bad you think you are, if you give up your hands and feet, you're not going anywhere.) All a woman would need to have in her favor would be the element of surprise, a little bit of rope, and the body's own natural responses. The part about taking a man down isn't nearly as difficult as you think, even if you don't really want to hurt him that much. The same methods that are taught in any self defense class can be used in the very same way as being the person on the offense. Those same few seconds that she gives herself to get away from an attacker are all that are needed to quickly secure someone. I'm not talking about pretty rope here where we're doing all the knots perfectly when someone is just holding their arms out for you. Just what's necessary to get the wrists and ankles bound together. One good knee to the side of your thigh and one good whap to the tendon behind your heel is going to get you on the ground and incapacitate you long enough to tie you up. If you're really worried about the no erection thing, I wouldn't have that as much of a concern if I were you. We are talking about a role play scene here, plus it is something that you want to happen. I don't think you'll be fighting her off once you're secured. I also don't think you'll put up a lot of resistance if you are orally stimulated or she uses her own body to grind against you. No, no might be coming out of your mouth, but your penis will be saying yes, yes. Of course, this is all conjecture. Not that I've done it personally or anything. I'm sure you know how innocent I am. [sm=angel.gif]

angelikaJ -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 9:30:48 AM)
FR The truth is that the mechanics of arousal can happen in totally non-consent situations. Women have been victims of sexual assault and have not wanted it to happen in any way, shape or form and sometimes, despite that, an orgasm occurs. Our bodies are made to respond to stimulation. Look at the number of unplanned erections a man can have during the day. He just has to get hard once; on goes a cock ring... . Edit: form

laurell3 -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 9:31:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact [color="#9900cc Of course, this is all conjecture. Not that I've done it personally or anything. I'm sure you know how innocent I am. [sm=angel.gif] coughs

LadyHibiscus -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 10:52:56 AM)
--even if you don't want to hurt him that much-- SNORRKKKKKKKK!!

hopelesslyInvo -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 11:00:12 AM)
quote: A penis could force itself into a vagina, but a vagina couldn't force itself onto a penis. If a man isn't turned on, he droops - it's as simple as that. i admire your penis' loyalty if that's the case, i'm sure mine would quickly betray me. psychological effects not withstanding, physical stimulus trumps my body's reactions much like most others have said. all things considered, a machine could probably rape, it's basically what 'farmer john' does when breeding horses and such. from what i've heard though, you can have an orgasm from oral sex even if you can't sustain an erection. it would make for an interesting test, but a hard one (no pun intended) considering how unlikely it is that you wouldn't get an erection during a blow job~ i first heard about this in a reverse rape story that's reverse of this situation. guy kidnapped a woman and keeps her in a trailer outside his house; used tons of toys on her... but he had erectile dysfunction so he couldn't penetrate her himself. both parties said that sex between them was limited to oral, and she says and i quote err... paraphrase "i didn't want to anger him, so i always gave him the best head i possibly could". so reversing the situation, even a lack of an erection, for any reason no less, could still lead to forcing you to orgasm~ quote: how the fack can you be dominant, when all you are is a woman, with only what nature gives to women? nature gives women everything they require; why would they ever need a penis when it's so easy for them to control you with yours?~ quote: men's bodies work against them. that's a distortion of the truth; our penises may not know what's best for us, but they have our best interests at heart~ quote: What we all want is a DETACHABLE penis... So we can ejaculate in someone. And pee into them without a funnel. i think several of my neurons collided after reading that lol anyway, the funnel might work out better in the end anyway, peeing is difficult with an erection. =p there's probably a number of men that would like a detachable penis for that very reason~ quote: Let Me assure you, peon, it is absolutely possible to rape a man. All that is required is the ability to take him down and use a quick tie to secure him. (As I always say to both genders, I don't care how big and bad you think you are, if you give up your hands and feet, you're not going anywhere.) don't underestimate flailing and thrashing about like a madman. you'd probably have to strap the torso if not most of the body down too in order to prevent to much ability to wiggle~ quote: I don't think you'll be fighting her off once you're secured. I also don't think you'll put up a lot of resistance if you are orally stimulated or she uses her own body to grind against you. the body thing might indeed not give them any choice, but orally you could just warn them that all they're going to accomplish by resisting is to find out how nice teeth feel. that'd probably make them simmer down~ - when all else fails though as far as man's inability goes; a parched man is sure to drink a glass of water, though he might be unaware it's had some crushed viagra slipped in it. devices might also force an erection. pretty sure men are rape-able in the end though, and not just by women. there are just too many exploits if you ask me.

BoiJen -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 11:04:47 AM)
Now I'm convinced Peon has a hidden camera installed in MsKitty's bedroom. This was the topic of some hot sex talk about a week ago. Dude...I want 60% of all profits if you post this stuff on the net. boi PS. It is possible. We discussed the issue with the hard on. Given the physical response to a prostate massage, all it takes is some clever positioning and flexibility.

LadyPact -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 11:29:09 AM)
quote: don't underestimate flailing and thrashing about like a madman =p you'd probably have to strap the torso and such down too, to stop too much ability to wiggle away~ The smart "abductor" plans carefully. Doorknobs can be a gal's best friend. All of the doors in My house open inward to the room, so all I need to do is have a length of rope that will be led from the wrists to be connected with the doorknob of the room that is across the hall. Thrash about all you like. It doesn't work well with the arms extended above the head, secured by lead to something that won't give. Have you ever tried to open a door the opposite way that it's hinged? It doesn't work.

hopelesslyInvo -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 12:08:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: don't underestimate flailing and thrashing about like a madman =p you'd probably have to strap the torso and such down too, to stop too much ability to wiggle away~ The smart "abductor" plans carefully. Doorknobs can be a gal's best friend. All of the doors in My house open inward to the room, so all I need to do is have a length of rope that will be led from the wrists to be connected with the doorknob of the room that is across the hall. Thrash about all you like. It doesn't work well with the arms extended above the head, secured by lead to something that won't give. Have you ever tried to open a door the opposite way that it's hinged? It doesn't work. the flailing about is in regards to being able to rape, not escape~

LadyPact -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 12:25:53 PM)
I'm a patient woman. The boy will get tired. [:D]

hopelesslyInvo -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 12:32:49 PM)
patience doesn't sound so virtuous anymore =p

khem -> RE: aaaa (7/18/2010 5:42:03 PM)
There's more than one way to play rape a man - I think climbing on his face while he's helpless works just fine. Also, I've noticed that men (even after previously coming not very long ago) are pretty much helpless over their penises. Although stimulation can be painful, they generally will get at least semi-hard with some encouragement. I think if a lady is resourceful, she can find several ways to violate a man for her own sexual pleasure. If you consider the penis the only way to go, your mileage may vary.

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