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Conditioning - 4/16/2006 9:43:46 PM

MojoRisin

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I do have to admit I've always had an interest in this and am just curious if any subs have had this experience or what they think of it:

Here's the scenario: A Master leaves for work everyday for 6 weeks, leaving his sub behind for her usual house chores. Plugged into earphones with a recording of her own voice by command of her Master, she hears -- over and over -- herself repeating some suggestion, perhaps in detail, and eventualy she begins to truly beleive it, even if it wasnt true to begin with. For example, if the sub didn't like pantyhose, high heels, anal sex, whatever, and keep hearing herself repeat how much she loved it.... would it create a deep belief change?

Do any subs/slaves have experience in this or wish to to comment?

Thanks!

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RE: Conditioning - 4/16/2006 9:48:10 PM

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I don't have any experience with it in the BDSM sense, but part of my schooling involved some, perhaps similar techniques of watching a video you made at the start of the year of your goals, to get out of slacking off and such.

I said something like (I remember the exact words but they were in Swiss German, a non-written dialect of German) I will do my homework every night.

Every time I watched it, I saw how insincere I was when I said it... it did nothing for me...

Maybe if the sub really meant it when she said it, she would be reminded of that desire. But otherwise she might just be reminded that she didn't like it then.

Just my thoughts.

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RE: Conditioning - 4/16/2006 10:48:25 PM

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As a submissive, i feel like sometimes it's important to do stuff i don't like, or don't want too, just because it makes my Master happy. It's all part of submitting to me. i can't see how just doing things you like is really submitting, coz it sounds like you're just playing along.

i 'enjoy' being taken beyond my comfort levels, and being pushed to the limits and beyond. As a masochist, i want my Master to be rough with me and i want im to hurt me. At times, i need my Master to reinforce the notion that i am not supposed to 'feel' pleasure as a submissive, but to provide it. If i do experience pleasure, then grand, but that is not the original intention

In my relationship with my Master, i woz not looking for romance or affection, nor woz i looking for friendship, companionship or even respect. i woz a submissive slut. A fuck toy... to be owned, possessed, and commanded, but never respected. i 'enjoyed' being treated like a piece of property, a chattel, an owned sex slave, His 'asset' and nothing more. i felt far inferior to Him, and every other Dom/Domme i met. i obeyed without question or hesitation. i do not want the right to leave or complain. i neva felt all the romantic feeling of a fantasy scenario that i know some people like. Most of my time with my Master, i cleaned and did all the menial tasks. i worked hard without reward, and played no part in any decision making processes. my efforts were belittled and always taken for granted. i spend a lot of time bound, put away and ignored, and of course, i performed sexually on demand, without the right to refuse.

i existed only to serve. That woz my purpose, to be used for pleasure. i bared all for His amusement.

i recognise that cultivating my own sense of submission is counterproductive to my own comfort, but i truely am comfortable, happy and content to have no rights, and to be my Masters possession. As far as i woz concerned, my body, my labour, my entire person belonged to Him to do with as He pleased.

That's wot i really loved about being my Masters sub.

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RE: Conditioning - 4/17/2006 8:03:34 AM

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You might be interested in a book call "What to Say When You Talk to Yourself." In it, it describes techniques, very similar to what you suggest. The scientific reasoning behind it is this:
We have neural pathways in our head that are built by our thoughts and habits. They can be seen as analogous to roads. The more you use the road, the more important it becomes. It may get expanded into a freeway; it’s well maintained, etc. The more we repeat a thought or habit, be it good or bad, the more the road is used. In order to change our habits or patterns, we must create new roads, use them more and more and let the old roads become less and less maintained, until they finally disappear. Or, simpler explanation: garbage in, garbage out. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&isbn=0671708821&itm=1 Fire

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RE: Conditioning - 4/17/2006 2:36:16 PM

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I have had some experience with the methods you present, being a mental health professional. One suggestion I would suggest, as gooddogbenji stated, hearing it in your own voice, particularly if you aren't enthusastic about what you are repeating, isn't likely to be effective. Therefore, you might want to try recording it in your voice. First, she's already keyed into obeying the sound of your voice, and second, you can ensure the proper emphasis is being put int the appropriate places. Another suggestion might be to have her listen at night, when her mind will tend to be more open to suggestion.

That being said, I also have to agree with shivvy...I do thinks for my Dominant that I may not like...but then again, when he is happy, I tend to be happy. Suddenly, I have an entirely new range of things I like to do...but thats just me

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RE: Conditioning - 4/17/2006 2:47:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: starymists

I have had some experience with the methods you present, being a mental health professional. One suggestion I would suggest, as gooddogbenji stated, hearing it in your own voice, particularly if you aren't enthusastic about what you are repeating, isn't likely to be effective. Therefore, you might want to try recording it in your voice. First, she's already keyed into obeying the sound of your voice, and second, you can ensure the proper emphasis is being put int the appropriate places. Another suggestion might be to have her listen at night, when her mind will tend to be more open to suggestion.

That being said, I also have to agree with shivvy...I do thinks for my Dominant that I may not like...but then again, when he is happy, I tend to be happy. Suddenly, I have an entirely new range of things I like to do...but thats just me

Though I've had a bit of experience with it as a submissive, most of my experience came from a rather weird childhood, but it CAN work.
I agree with starymists. Most people (not even talking about lifestyle), don't like hearing thier own voice recordings; for me, it would only be a distraction. IMHO, it would work better with your voice recorded.

Respectfully,
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RE: Conditioning - 4/17/2006 2:50:01 PM

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why is it that all scenarios involve a Master and his female sub lol. amusing.

This actually sounds like something I need. I find myself having troubles staying in a submissive mood, i'm very rebelious to my own folley.

If there was a way to conditon myself I'd sign up for it.

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RE: Conditioning - 4/17/2006 7:07:17 PM

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i actually do that to myself. i repeat over and over that i enjoy certain things. i tend to find everything that Master Sir says as true. its partly because of how naive and gullible i am, but i see Master Sir as a God. i just have these overwhelming feelings for Him... to just believe what He says. dont get me wrong, just because i believe much of what He says, i am still bad at times.

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RE: Conditioning - 4/18/2006 5:03:43 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MojoRisin

I do have to admit I've always had an interest in this and am just curious if any subs have had this experience or what they think of it:

Here's the scenario: A Master leaves for work everyday for 6 weeks, leaving his sub behind for her usual house chores. Plugged into earphones with a recording of her own voice by command of her Master, she hears -- over and over -- herself repeating some suggestion, perhaps in detail, and eventualy she begins to truly beleive it, even if it wasnt true to begin with. For example, if the sub didn't like pantyhose, high heels, anal sex, whatever, and keep hearing herself repeat how much she loved it.... would it create a deep belief change?

Do any subs/slaves have experience in this or wish to to comment?

I bet it would work better if it were coupled with something pleasurable instead of housework.

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RE: Conditioning - 4/18/2006 8:03:18 AM

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I have a degree of experience with what I would call meditation or focusing exercises. Miss wears a set of mala beads on her wrist (I do too, for the record), and often I'll instruct her to hold a certain posture while repeating-- sometimes inwardly, sometimes aloud-- a mantra that I've given her. Typically this will be a short phrase, something that I want her to bear in mind about herself, or me, or about our relationship. She uses the beads to count her repetitions (after the fashion of a rosary in the west).

I wouldn't call this conditioning, and I don't know that it could create a physical desire where there was none before (e.g., enjoying the sensation of anal sex). That said, I believe (and miss has reported) that these little rituals serve to focus and settle her thoughts. They help her to connect with her submissive 'headspace', and to move through her day in the frame of mind that we both want for her.

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RE: Conditioning - 4/18/2006 6:44:03 PM

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I experienced conditioning with my Lord. He had me say over and over while administering pain and pleasure such phrases as " I am your property, you own me" " I live to serve you" This was hard for me at first, but now I sometimes can only climax when I say these things outloud or in my head. I am no longer with my Lord, so presents another problem. How do I uncondition myself?

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RE: Conditioning - 4/18/2006 11:05:23 PM

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uh, lemme think...GET A LIFE!!! or a degree in behavior modification. I might be dead from boredom by the time you got home.

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RE: Conditioning - 4/19/2006 6:25:19 PM

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It works for me, in the meditation kind of way. If i get frustrated, or am upset about something i have no control over (and as slave, i have control over very little), i say to myself, "this girl belongs to Master" over and over, till i am calm. It isn't changing my mind, but reinforcing it, and reminding it.

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RE: Conditioning - 4/19/2006 10:29:54 PM

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http://www.selfgrowth.com/nlp.html

neuro-linguistic conditioning/ programming.

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RE: Conditioning - 4/19/2006 10:39:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: truble

I experienced conditioning with my Lord. He had me say over and over while administering pain and pleasure such phrases as " I am your property, you own me" " I live to serve you" This was hard for me at first, but now I sometimes can only climax when I say these things outloud or in my head. I am no longer with my Lord, so presents another problem. How do I uncondition myself?

I would seek out a trained hypnotherapist or some mental health professional. One way or another, you need someone who can deal with the trance programming that was done with you.

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RE: Conditioning - 4/21/2006 7:01:11 AM

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No, somehow i do not see this working. If a sub/slave is going to obey they are going to do so out of a desire to be pleasing. If there is something they deeply do not like but you do, no matter how you present it to them i doubt you can change that feeling.

This does not or should not mean they do not do these things. Even if it something they despise most slaves take pleasure in obeying their owners.

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RE: Conditioning - 4/21/2006 7:18:19 AM

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Sir you asked for comment, I believe what is being described is an attempt to ingrain or change behavior either wanted or unwanted in the sub/slave...the recordings might attache to roe memories, and be parroted back a some future point. Much like memorizing a multiplication table...my first wife tried this with me without much success. i learned to say appropriate things at appropriate moments. with all the emotions of a head of cabbage. If the sub/slave wanted to do this it might help and serve as a reminder of the true feelings.. if not...for what i thought, it/s best not to say that. As my reactions were anything but respectful... this was a long time ago in different circumstances..but the results imho , were less than stellar. hope i didn't give offence ...deepest regards and always respectful
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RE: Conditioning - 4/21/2006 3:51:19 PM

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I hope you are not trying to feel superior with your post. The girl found something that works for her and she just needs to expand on it. I say you should be so lucky to learn a great trick like hers and experience the joy of a true D/s connection. My advice would be that whoever had the power to make the trick work has the power to make the trick work even better. In this crazy world of disposable play partners, I think it is sweet that she found one special guy that can turn her key. Sounds like she needs to pursue her dreams with the special man and you are the one who needs to get a life.

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RE: Conditioning - 4/21/2006 5:03:16 PM

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i agree with millionaireNY... just had to say that.

but also; hearing masters voice say in a loving way to do something, over and over, would certainly affect my mindset. also; the act of having the sub repeat like a mantra what is desired, while pleasing her in some way may make her desire it as well. That has worked for me before. of course it always goes back to being obedient and doing what your master wants whether you like it or not.
respectfully, delectable

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RE: Conditioning - 4/21/2006 5:10:00 PM

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quote:

As a submissive, i feel like sometimes it's important to do stuff i don't like, or don't want too, just because it makes my Master happy. It's all part of submitting to me. i can't see how just doing things you like is really submitting, coz it sounds like you're just playing along.

i 'enjoy' being taken beyond my comfort levels, and being pushed to the limits and beyond. As a masochist, i want my Master to be rough with me and i want im to hurt me. At times, i need my Master to reinforce the notion that i am not supposed to 'feel' pleasure as a submissive, but to provide it. If i do experience pleasure, then grand, but that is not the original intention.

In his astounding book,"1984" George Orwell's charachters discussed an aspect of submission and Domination I found intriguing.

From Chapter three, I quote this, for your consideration:

quote:

'How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?'

Winston thought. 'By making him suffer,' he said.

'Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own?

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