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Owner59 -> The Day The Controversy Over The New Black Panther Case Fell Apart (7/19/2010 12:14:12 PM)


So, a number of things have happened happened in the past few hours that should really discredit the entire conservative conspiracy theory behind the New Black Panther Party case.

Earlier today, I reported that J. Christian Adams, in his testimony to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, said that there was no indication of pressure from outside the Civil Rights Division to dismiss the civil complaint against the other two plaintiffs named in the original complaint -- meaning that even Adams admits there's no evidence Barack Obama or Eric Holder had anything to do with deciding to narrow the case.

Ben Smith reported this evening that Abigail Thernstrom, a conservative voting-rights expert and one of George W. Bush's appointees to the commission, says that the conservative bloc explicitly discussed a "wild notion they could bring Eric Holder down and really damage the president.” This was clear from the beginning, but it's the first time anyone on the commission has said with firsthand knowledge that the conservatives on the commission had deliberately decided to do this to damage to the administration.

Finally, Adams has been claiming that the Justice Department, by refusing to reject a Section 5 pre-clearance request from Ike Brown, the defendant in the last Section 11(b) case filed by the Voting Section, was proving his claim that the Voting Section has no interest in protecting white voters. Brown filed a submission to the Justice Department seeking to create a closed Democratic primary in Noxbuee County, Mississippi. In fact, as Jeremy Holden reports, the Justice Department didn't reject Brown's request because he is not the "proper submitting official under Section 5" and he is still prohibited under the terms of a 2007 injunction from making any changes to the election rules that make them not "equally open to participation by members of a class of citizens." The DoJ then filed a motion requesting that the court move to "prohibit Brown from moving forward with plans to create a closed primary, to prohibit Brown from making any future official filings seeking to change the electoral process, and to extend the 2007 order an additional 2 years," in part because of his prior efforts to "reduce white voter participation."

So in the past day, the following things have been happened: The idea that there was outside pressure from the administration to close the case has been shown to have no evidentiary basis, the commission has been exposed as deliberately attempting to damage the administration with this investigation, and Adams' claim that the Voting Section does not intervene on behalf of white voters has been proved conclusively false.

This story should now be over. It won't be, but it should.


UPDATE: On final thing. Julie Fernandes, the deputy assistant attorney general whom Adams claims has established a policy of never going after black defendants, outranks Chris Herren, the current Voting Section Chief. If this this policy actually existed, she could have overruled Herren in order to protect Brown. She didn't.


http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=07&year=2010&base_name=the_day_the_black_panther_case




truckinslave -> RE: The Day The Controversy Over The New Black Panther Case Fell Apart (7/20/2010 7:09:29 AM)

This is so fucked up I hardly know where to start, so I'll just pick the lowest-hanging fruit:

"Earlier today, I reported that J. Christian Adams, in his testimony to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, said that there was no indication of pressure from outside the Civil Rights Division to dismiss the civil complaint against the other two plaintiffs named in the original complaint -- meaning that even Adams admits there's no evidence Barack Obama or Eric Holder had anything to do with deciding to narrow the case. "

1. Mr Adams testified that he did not know of such pressure. Unless one assumes Mr Adams is omniscient, that certainly does not and cannot mean such pressure did not exist.
2. It doesn't matter if AG Holder and/or the current occupant of the WH are cleared of involvement by the investigation(s) I expect to see beginning in Feb 2011. Whoever made the decision should be forced to defend it. And then fired, whether for racism or reallllly poor judgment.




tazzygirl -> RE: The Day The Controversy Over The New Black Panther Case Fell Apart (7/20/2010 9:11:54 AM)

But wasnt Adams the one making all the noise about how it was improperly handled because of racially charged reasons?




servantforuse -> RE: The Day The Controversy Over The New Black Panther Case Fell Apart (7/20/2010 12:25:38 PM)

This story isn't over by a long shot. It will be around to haunt the dems in 2010 and Obama in 2012. As the Attorney General, Holder owes the american public an explanation as to why HE dropped the case.




tazzygirl -> RE: The Day The Controversy Over The New Black Panther Case Fell Apart (7/20/2010 12:33:20 PM)

True, servant. But, if Adams was the one crying "racism" then comes back to say he has no proof... isnt that like crying wolf and how does anyone believe him?




rulemylife -> RE: The Day The Controversy Over The New Black Panther Case Fell Apart (7/20/2010 12:58:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

This is so fucked up I hardly know where to start, so I'll just pick the lowest-hanging fruit:

"Earlier today, I reported that J. Christian Adams, in his testimony to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, said that there was no indication of pressure from outside the Civil Rights Division to dismiss the civil complaint against the other two plaintiffs named in the original complaint -- meaning that even Adams admits there's no evidence Barack Obama or Eric Holder had anything to do with deciding to narrow the case. "

1. Mr Adams testified that he did not know of such pressure. Unless one assumes Mr Adams is omniscient, that certainly does not and cannot mean such pressure did not exist.
2. It doesn't matter if AG Holder and/or the current occupant of the WH are cleared of involvement by the investigation(s) I expect to see beginning in Feb 2011. Whoever made the decision should be forced to defend it. And then fired, whether for racism or reallllly poor judgment.


Yes, it's definitely fucked up that the man admitted he did not know of pressure to drop the case but yet you still want to proclaim that such pressure "might" have existed.

He may not be omniscient but you apparently must be.






rulemylife -> RE: The Day The Controversy Over The New Black Panther Case Fell Apart (7/20/2010 1:06:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

This story isn't over by a long shot. It will be around to haunt the dems in 2010 and Obama in 2012. As the Attorney General, Holder owes the american public an explanation as to why HE dropped the case.


Funny how the Bush administration doesn't seem to owe an explanation when they were the people that initiated the case and deemed it not worthy of criminal prosecution, then made less effort than the Obama administration to make a civil case.

But you go Servant, whatever spin makes you a happy camper.




Owner59 -> RE: The Day The Controversy Over The New Black Panther Case Fell Apart (7/20/2010 4:38:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

This is so fucked up I hardly know where to start, so I'll just pick the lowest-hanging fruit:

"Earlier today, I reported that J. Christian Adams, in his testimony to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, said that there was no indication of pressure from outside the Civil Rights Division to dismiss the civil complaint against the other two plaintiffs named in the original complaint -- meaning that even Adams admits there's no evidence Barack Obama or Eric Holder had anything to do with deciding to narrow the case. "

1. Mr Adams testified that he did not know of such pressure. Unless one assumes Mr Adams is omniscient, that certainly does not and cannot mean such pressure did not exist.
2. It doesn't matter if AG Holder and/or the current occupant of the WH are cleared of involvement by the investigation(s) I expect to see beginning in Feb 2011. Whoever made the decision should be forced to defend it. And then fired, whether for racism or reallllly poor judgment.


No one has to prove nothing existed.In a court of law or anywhere else.


On the other hand,one must prove something is true or exists in order to say it does(is), in a court of law.


The guy was under oath.It was his case and he said there wasn`t any pressure.You`re all wet.

The one`s making this scary ugly are you cons and it`s looking worse all the time.The denial is as bad as the smear.

People aren`t going to forget this so fast.There won`t be any"oh sorry,we`re mistaken" and then moving on.This smear is klu klux klan level tactics.




Politesub53 -> RE: The Day The Controversy Over The New Black Panther Case Fell Apart (7/20/2010 4:49:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave


1. Mr Adams testified that he did not know of such pressure. Unless one assumes Mr Adams is omniscient, that certainly does not and cannot mean such pressure did not exist.
2. It doesn't matter if AG Holder and/or the current occupant of the WH are cleared of involvement by the investigation(s) I expect to see beginning in Feb 2011. Whoever made the decision should be forced to defend it. And then fired, whether for racism or reallllly poor judgment.


Paragraph 2 seems like a get out clause when paragraph one fails.
Do you not think that the onus should be on whoever claims Holder was involved to prove it ?




popeye1250 -> RE: The Day The Controversy Over The New Black Panther Case Fell Apart (7/20/2010 5:10:46 PM)

Owner, there was a conspiracy?




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