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1200 troops from National Guard deployed to guard US bo... - 7/19/2010 1:54:14 PM   
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Beginning August 1, President Obama has ordered 1200 national guard troops to be deployed to assist in guarding the US/ Mexican border.

California is also sending 224 troops to guard the CA/Mexico border, in support of the effort.
These additional troops are being sent to help reinforce the border to assist in curtailing illegal immigraion.

What do you think will be the impact of having national guard troops guarding the
Mexican border?

Do you think this will become a permanent assignment for them?

What problems and challenges are in store for them?




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RE: 1200 from National Guard to Begin Protecting the Me... - 7/19/2010 1:58:07 PM   
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I don't understand how this is not a violation of the posse comitatus act.

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RE: National Guard to Begin Protecting the Mexican Border - 7/19/2010 1:58:35 PM   
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First, I'll believe it when I see it. I do think the troops should and will be there or quite some time. !200 isn't nearly enough. Lets start with 5000 and go from there..

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RE: National Guard to Begin Protecting the Mexican Border - 7/19/2010 2:00:23 PM   
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you go; big spend and borrow neo-con!!!!!

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RE: 1200 from National Guard to Begin Protecting the Me... - 7/19/2010 2:00:38 PM   
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My guess would be either, " National Security" or..." For the children"

I suppose the could call it a national emergency, but that is pretty thin.

If true, I do not approve.


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RE: 1200 from National Guard to Begin Protecting the Me... - 7/19/2010 2:02:41 PM   
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old news. And the NG troops will be doing paperwork freeing up BPAs for patrols, thus no posse comitatus issues.

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RE: 1200 from National Guard to Begin Protecting the Me... - 7/19/2010 2:03:32 PM   
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Ok, fine line perhaps but I can live with it.

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RE: 1200 from National Guard to Begin Protecting the Me... - 7/19/2010 2:04:42 PM   
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AHA!!!!! Thanks Wilb, makes sense now. I know its old news, but never understood it, well, by god they can get them some privates right outta leonard wood, or even outta paris island, them boys no how to do paperwork.  

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RE: 1200 from National Guard to Begin Protecting the Me... - 7/19/2010 2:08:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

old news. And the NG troops will be doing paperwork freeing up BPAs for patrols, thus no posse comitatus issues.


Actually, the additional troops being sent is breaking news , dude.
The 1200 additional troops being sent August 1, was announced today by the Obama administration.
In fact it was just announced about 2 hours ago, get with the program.

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RE: 1200 from National Guard to Begin Protecting the Me... - 7/19/2010 2:15:19 PM   
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I just googled it. The stories are not clear. This picture from 2007 doesn't look like paper work though.






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RE: 1200 from National Guard to Begin Protecting the Me... - 7/19/2010 2:19:06 PM   
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Well, I heard it on the evening news, and it is on all the network news, maybe I am the only person that has access to this information.

.....conspiracy and all.

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RE: 1200 from National Guard to Begin Protecting the Me... - 7/19/2010 2:20:25 PM   
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I mean the stories are not clear as to thier duties.

The news media, especialy television is not noted for their in depth reporting anymore.

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RE: 1200 from National Guard to Begin Protecting the Me... - 7/19/2010 2:24:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I mean the stories are not clear as to thier duties.

The news media, especialy television is not noted for their in depth reporting anymore.


I am typing on my new laptop, and I don't know how to send links yet.
But I will figure it out soon.


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RE: 1200 from National Guard to Begin Protecting the Me... - 7/19/2010 2:25:24 PM   
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conspiracy error on your link.

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RE: 1200 from National Guard to Begin Protecting the Me... - 7/19/2010 2:36:56 PM   
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Obama Set To Send 1,200 Troops To US-Mexico Border ERICA WERNER and JACQUES BILLEAUD | 05/25/10 08:51 PM |

This has been discussed for some time.

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The National Guard troops will work on intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance support, analysis and training, and support efforts to block drug trafficking. They will temporarily supplement Border Patrol agents until Customs and Border Protection can recruit and train additional officers and agents to serve on the border, according to a letter Tuesday from top administration security officials to Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich.

In 2006, President George W. Bush sent thousands of troops to the border to perform support duties that tie up immigration agents. But that program has since ended, and politicians in border states have called for troops to be sent to curb human and drug smuggling and to deal with Mexico's drug violence that has been spilling over into the United States.

The White House released the letter signed by national security adviser James Jones and White House counterterror chief John Brennan not long after Obama met at the Capitol with Republican senators who pressed him on immigration issues, including the question of sending troops to the border.

Arizona Sens. John McCain and Jon Kyl have been urging such a move, and Republicans planned to try to require it as an amendment to a pending war spending bill.

In a speech Tuesday on the Senate floor, McCain said the situation on the U.S.-Mexico border has "greatly deteriorated." He called for 6,000 National Guard troops to be sent, and he asked for $250 million more to pay for them.


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RE: 1200 troops from National Guard deployed to guard U... - 7/19/2010 2:44:58 PM   
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Thanks ron, for showing me how to posts links on a lap.

Now I can post 1 million links!

Okay tazzy, the fact they are being sent down there is not new.
I think the fact that the mission has been clearly defined, the date they are being sent, and the length of the deployment, I believe is new news.

I have heard about the troops going before, but I have not heard about the details of the expectations until today.
And they ain't being sent to watch the grass grow, or play tiddly winks, for sure.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20010952-503544.html

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RE: 1200 troops from National Guard deployed to guard U... - 7/19/2010 2:59:56 PM   
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I added to my previous posts what their duties were to be. Do you have information saying otherwise?

I wasnt arguing, just helping by adding facts.

Yes, its been known they were going.

Yes, its been known how many.

Yes, its been known about the money.

The details of their duties were discussed before, but i dont know if that has changed or not.

Do i agree with them going? Considering there was a major shootout just 12 miles from the Az border... yes.

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RE: 1200 troops from National Guard deployed to guard U... - 7/19/2010 3:05:30 PM   
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Okay here is another twist Tazzy, this was originally announced in May, maybe the breaking news is:

The 1200 troops are FINALLY going, 3 months later!

lol

I think it is long overdue and with the additional 500 or so troops being sent from CA, and AZ, the border agents are finally getting a fair number of support and back up
What I find really interesting is almost every article I have read has stated that the troops can only use weapons to protect themselves.
President Obama has stated they will be deployed along the border for at least 1 year, a lot can happen in a year.

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RE: 1200 troops from National Guard deployed to guard U... - 7/19/2010 3:20:05 PM   
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... a lot can happen in a year ...

I am normally an optimist but this time I have to say the seemingly logical: Like US and Mexican relations being strained - further. Now if Mexico would match this boarder build up to help the control then this might be something.

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RE: 1200 troops from National Guard deployed to guard U... - 7/19/2010 3:52:27 PM   
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Yes and Viet Nam started with "advisors"

I am somewhat uncomfortable have armed troops enforce the law.

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