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AspX -> Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/19/2010 3:27:22 PM)

During a conversation with a domme friend of mine, the subject of tantric BDSM came up and she asked about it. So, I wrote some stuff about incorporating tantric breathing into BDSM (from a dom point of view) and I've decided to post it as an article for the message boards. Hope you enjoy it:

Tantra as an art is a way to deepen and prolong the sexual experience. BDSM play generally has nothing to do with that, but some parts of tantric techniques can actually be utilized to enhance the experience of BDSM. Tantric breathing is a very powerful force that can really strengthen the bond between a Dom and sub during a play session and ultimately drive the sub incredibly deep into subspace.

My personal tantric breathing technique is actually very similar to the way that some yoga instructors want you to breath during their practice. Keeping the mouth tightly closed and breathing through only the nose, each inhalation breath should be taken as deeply as possible and each exhalation should done with as much force as possible (when done properly, this will include a tightening of the stomach muscles).

To incorporate this into BDSM play as a dom, the best way to begin is actually to fully gag your sub. Forcing them to breathe through their nose because they can not through their mouth, rather than just ordering them, to seems to be more effective teaching technique for some reason *G*. I would recommend using a ball gag and a self-adhesive Ace bandage (1 1/2" - 2" variety), to fully cover the mouth. Once gagged, focus on getting the sub to breathe in and out as deeply as possible before moving forward with your play. Removing all thoughts outside of the breath at this time is the first step for the beginner tantric sub.

Non-stress bondage (the type where the sub is held in place, but is not painful in itself) is a good way to help with this because it removes positioning concerns from the sub's thoughts, however having a well trained sub stay in a standard non-stress position can also produce the same results. Blindfolds or having the sub close their eyes is also a good helper technique.

Regardless of whether there is sensory deprivation or bondage involved, you should begin by instructing the sub about the type of deep breaths you expect. Stressing the fact that each breath should be strong enough that the dom should very clearly hear the air flowing in and out of their nose. Place your hand on the subs stomach to feel the breath flow in during inhalation and the stomach fully tighten during proper exhalation while providing instruction and encouragement in a soft tone or even matching the breaths. Let this go on until you feel that the sub has the technique mastered and then move onto whatever play you wish, although I would suggest leaving the gag in place until the sub has been through a few sessions and has internalized the breathing technique enough to keep it up even while being "played with" *EG*.

As for what is the best way to play with a sub who is using tantric breathing, basically anything goes although the more service oriented and role play is less effective than play where you are actively doing something to the sub (other than receiving a massage, but that is much more like real tantric sex than BDSM). To start with, I would recommend using constant torture to drive the sub into subspace and then intermittent tortures to really mess with them while they are there (although... *EG* there is not a reason to let them out of the constant tortures just because you are now doing something intermittent).

Constant tortures such as CBT, clamping, bondage and forced positions works very well in conjunction with tantric breathing. In all of these techniques, the sub is forced to endure the torture which tends to grow over time. The breathing will help the sub endure these for longer than normal but they will probably achieve subspace in a much faster and deeper manner during tantric BDSM play than normal.

Intermittent tortures such as impact play, violet wands or prods, scratching with fingernails or vampire gloves, etc... are also great ways to play with a tantric sub. Striking, stroking or prodding as the exhalation begins will force the exhalation to be quicker and stronger. Doing the same at the beginning of inhalation will force the sub to fight through the torture to maintain their breath for you (which you should insist on). Playing with the subs different reactions to each strike, stroke or prod as they hit the sub at different points within their breaths is really exhilarating as a dom because they can become like a marionette for you.

Tease and denial is another way to play and it is either so much better or less effective to incorporate tantric breathing into this, depending upon your point of view. The fact is that tantric sex is basically all about tease and denial. It is about bringing yourself to the point of orgasm without actually going over by controlling it through your breath and PC muscles. So, if your enjoyment of tease and denial as a dom is the torture that you put your sub through as they dance on the edge begging to go over, then tantric BDSM play can be a less productive torture technique. However, if your enjoyment as a dom is in driving the sub along that pleasure edge then incorporating tantric techniques will allow you to keep them on that edge indefinitely.

Finally, of course, there are the sexual acts which can really be enhanced using tantric breathing... and there are all kinds of applications that can be useful for a sub who has been trained to breathe through their nose for a long time *EG*. All in all, there are so many different ways to incorporate this technique into play that it is hard to come up with a list of what to do and how it affects the sub or your enjoyment as a dom. So, the best advice I can give to you is to teach the basic breathing technique and then experiment... a lot...




mistoferin -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/19/2010 4:16:14 PM)

As a submissive I rely heavily on breathing techniques that I have learned over the years during play. I have never labeled them as "tantric" although in many ways they are similar to what you describe. However, I would have to disagree that it must only be done through the nose or that ball gagging is the best way to achieve it. Constant torture as you describe will often result in tears, with tears comes nasal congestion...which would make what you are describing impossible.




Chrisincuffs -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/19/2010 11:23:50 PM)

Thank you very much! Master will be very pleased, I enjoy being gagged and Master is always looking for new ways to surprise me....This time I get to surprise him!




AspX -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 12:28:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

As a submissive I rely heavily on breathing techniques that I have learned over the years during play. I have never labeled them as "tantric" although in many ways they are similar to what you describe. However, I would have to disagree that it must only be done through the nose or that ball gagging is the best way to achieve it. Constant torture as you describe will often result in tears, with tears comes nasal congestion...which would make what you are describing impossible.


mistoferin,

Thank you for sharing your opinion and knowledge because that is the best way for me to learn as well. The ball gagging technique I mention is just a suggested training method for the breath and is not something that is required for every session once that sub has achieved the knowledge that you have learned in other ways. The nasal congestion that comes with tears is also a great thing to bring up and something that every Dominant should take note of when completely gagging a sub for any reason.

Just like all things, I am sure that there are may paths to the same goal with the breath (not all Yoga instructors or tantric practioners require nose only breathing) and I am sure you reach the same place with your breathing techniques, however it is my opinion and experience that nose only breathing is a faster and more consistent path especially for those who are just learning.

My questions back to you is how did you learn your breathing techniques? Were they something you stumbled across or where they something another sub told you about or were you actually taught/trained in them by a Dom/Master?




AspX -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 12:32:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Chrisincuffs

Thank you very much! Master will be very pleased, I enjoy being gagged and Master is always looking for new ways to surprise me....This time I get to surprise him!


Glad to be of service




allthatjaz -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 1:39:39 AM)

I tantric breath with every breath I take and I have been doing that for the last 12 years but I don't need to keep my mouth tightly closed to do this. When we tantric breath, we use muscles within the diaphragm that we wouldn't normally use. Once those muscles become strong, we will be more upright and balanced.
When I learnt this breathing technique I was an aspiring dressage rider that just couldn't get any further. I had the horse that was capable and some of the best coaches around but I was stuck in a rut and I just couldn't progress beyond a certain level. By chance I came across an instructor that concentrated on my breathing technique. He didn't call it tantric breathing but its the same thing. He said to me 'why is it that some people in sports excel to the top very quickly? and why is it that if you have lessons off these very top sports men and women, you still don't progress?' Of course I didn't know but he was right. I had, had lessons from some of the best and yet I was no better. The answer is because they naturally tantric breath and because they do it naturally they are unaware that they are doing it and therefore can't teach it. As he got me to breath this way, I noticed how light and balanced I became on the horse. Suddenly we were one and we danced in unison. Excited by this new discovery, I was determined to practice my tantric breathing whilst driving my car, doing my housework, walking my dog or just sitting and reading a book. Over a period of time I noticed my body becoming stronger and my stomach becoming flat and firm. Best of all I was excelling in my dressage ability at a rapid rate of knots.
I can take extreme pain and I am sure I can do it because of the way I breath. I teach this breathing method to people who are doing hook pull or needles and instead of grimacing I see a tranquil smile cross their lips. This breathing technique is the ultimate control one can have over their own body. This breathing technique is what comes naturally in a crisis where strength is needed. An example of this is a small woman being able to lift a car off her run over child.

I think one has to be careful when trying to explain this breathing technique in just the written word. Its very easy to get wrong and a brief explanation isn't enough. You need to be there with a hand on their lower back and a hand on the abdomen to make sure they are breathing correctly. Its well worth finding someone who can teach you properly or you will probably think your doing it when your not. Its also something that must be practiced because for this to work properly, then it must become natural.




lally2 -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 1:51:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

I tantric breath with every breath I take and I have been doing that for the last 12 years but I don't need to keep my mouth tightly closed to do this. When we tantric breath, we use muscles within the diaphragm that we wouldn't normally use. Once those muscles become strong, we will be more upright and balanced.
When I learnt this breathing technique I was an aspiring dressage rider that just couldn't get any further. I had the horse that was capable and some of the best coaches around but I was stuck in a rut and I just couldn't progress beyond a certain level. By chance I came across an instructor that concentrated on my breathing technique. He didn't call it tantric breathing but its the same thing. He said to me 'why is it that some people in sports excel to the top very quickly? and why is it that if you have lessons off these very top sports men and women, you still don't progress?' Of course I didn't know but he was right. I had, had lessons from some of the best and yet I was no better. The answer is because they naturally tantric breath and because they do it naturally they are unaware that they are doing it and therefore can't teach it. As he got me to breath this way, I noticed how light and balanced I became on the horse. Suddenly we were one and we danced in unison. Excited by this new discovery, I was determined to practice my tantric breathing whilst driving my car, doing my housework, walking my dog or just sitting and reading a book. Over a period of time I noticed my body becoming stronger and my stomach becoming flat and firm. Best of all I was excelling in my dressage ability at a rapid rate of knots.
I can take extreme pain and I am sure I can do it because of the way I breath. I teach this breathing method to people who are doing hook pull or needles and instead of grimacing I see a tranquil smile cross their lips. This breathing technique is the ultimate control one can have over their own body. This breathing technique is what comes naturally in a crisis where strength is needed. An example of this is a small woman being able to lift a car off her run over child.

I think one has to be careful when trying to explain this breathing technique in just the written word. Its very easy to get wrong and a brief explanation isn't enough. You need to be there with a hand on their lower back and a hand on the abdomen to make sure they are breathing correctly. Its well worth finding someone who can teach you properly or you will probably think your doing it when your not. Its also something that must be practiced because for this to work properly, then it must become natural.



oooh!! [:)] - i wonder if it would help me with Zig (mad horse) - i have to admit most of the time i find myself holding my breath rather than breathing.

my Dom is very much into and experienced in trantric techniques - this could be a wonderful spin off - does it help with housework too - my god its just win win [:D]




allthatjaz -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 2:38:24 AM)

I'm sure it would help you with your housework lally [;)]

Holding your breath on Zig makes you unstable, just as a big inward gasp of air can make your butt cheeks lift upwards. Perfect timing for Zig to do an almighty spook!
I had a crazy Lusitano that could fly buck from a standstill [:D] Believe me, this breathing technique gives you a lot more staying power.




lally2 -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 3:10:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

I'm sure it would help you with your housework lally [;)]

something has to thats for sure!!

Holding your breath on Zig makes you unstable, just as a big inward gasp of air can make your butt cheeks lift upwards. Perfect timing for Zig to do an almighty spook!

lol   [:D]  youre not kidding!!! -im sure he times it for right then

I had a crazy Lusitano that could fly buck from a standstill [:D] Believe me, this breathing technique gives you a lot more staying power.

im sold!! - He'll think its cos im being a good subbie, - but i have an alterior motive now!! [:D]




mistoferin -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 3:48:54 AM)

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My questions back to you is how did you learn your breathing techniques? Were they something you stumbled across or where they something another sub told you about or were you actually taught/trained in them by a Dom/Master?


Actually, I learned the breathing techniques many years ago when I was very ill and in chronic, extreme pain. I was taught it as a means of coping with the pain. I breathe in deeply through my nose and exhale deeply through my mouth. The exhalation is a "pursed lip" method that forces the lungs to more completely empty and offload a greater amount of carbon dioxide, thus allowing greater oxygenation on the susbsequent inhale. I combine this with a visualization. On the inhalation I visualize the air coming in as cool and green and I visualize it travelling through my body to the source of pain, which I visualize as hot and red. The green cools the hot and red and I visualize the exhale as the green mixing with the hot and red and carrying it back out. Yes, I can handle extreme pain using this method and it has become a quick, well worn path to subspace.




RCdc -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 5:35:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

My questions back to you is how did you learn your breathing techniques? Were they something you stumbled across or where they something another sub told you about or were you actually taught/trained in them by a Dom/Master?


Actually, I learned the breathing techniques many years ago when I was very ill and in chronic, extreme pain. I was taught it as a means of coping with the pain. I breathe in deeply through my nose and exhale deeply through my mouth. The exhalation is a "pursed lip" method that forces the lungs to more completely empty and offload a greater amount of carbon dioxide, thus allowing greater oxygenation on the susbsequent inhale. I combine this with a visualization. On the inhalation I visualize the air coming in as cool and green and I visualize it travelling through my body to the source of pain, which I visualize as hot and red. The green cools the hot and red and I visualize the exhale as the green mixing with the hot and red and carrying it back out. Yes, I can handle extreme pain using this method and it has become a quick, well worn path to subspace.


As a teenager suffering from chronic knee problems, I'm was like Erin, using deep breathing techniques to assist through pain.  It wasn't 'taught' it came naturally and it helped, so it just made sense to me.  It wasn't until later when I attended my first natal groups where they show you how deep breathing and sounding out your pain in a controlled manner that can help with pain management.
I've been practising what you call 'tantric' breathing and exercise for years after that, I found it really enhancing particularly along with my synaesthesia and it's great for bloodflow.  But freedom is in integral part of tantric exercise.  Being gagged during tantric breathing would pretty much restrict that, so I wouldn't necessarily define it as tantric.  Freedom to exhale during tantric exercise is pretty vital and I would not recommend it during the use of gags or any other aurel restraint personally.  It kind of negates the exercise for me.

the.dark.




mistoferin -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 5:47:04 AM)

Heya dark!

Odd...I'm synaesthetic also!




sunshinemiss -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 5:53:37 AM)

Wow.  I studied that in uni and thought it was the most fascinating thing from a neurological perspective.  I've never met anyone with it though... Wow.  I'm resisting the urge to pick your brains (there is a joke in there). 

I too use tantric breath in my day to day life.  Or at least I think I do... Ujaih breathing (sp) from yoga.  It's how I try to breathe.  In the west, I've heard that we don't breathe deeply enough.  Hmmm... food for thought.

best,
sunshine




RCdc -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 7:02:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Heya dark!

Odd...I'm synaesthetic also!


I think I remember that from way back Erin - there was a synaesthesia thread or something?

Hey sunnyone, 'pick' away[:D].  I think there is someone else here (a regular) who has it too, but I can't remember who.(urgh typo spellings) - there is a really good art video on youtube that rocks... I will try and find it.

the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 7:13:30 AM)

Found it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHnnGHgeyC0




DesFIP -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 7:53:46 AM)

I'm with erin. Preventing any intake of air through the mouth while doing things that prevent breathing through the nose is not going to drive someone into subspace. Unconsciousness yes.

I'd also recommend asking about allergies to begin with.

Plus the op is assuming the purpose of play is subspace. For lots of us, it isn't permitted. He doesn't get any energy from me if I'm spacing. I'm allowed to space only at the end, not during.




AspX -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 8:05:06 AM)

Note: Quotes are snips of the full comments by allthatjaz

quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

I tantric breath with every breath I take and I have been doing that for the last 12 years

Over a period of time I noticed my body becoming stronger and my stomach becoming flat and firm.



I absolutely agree with you about the health benefits of doing this type of deep breathing as your every breath (although I don't practice it) and it is actually one of those hidden dieting secrets that few people know or talk about. Mostly it is because it works the muscles of your core with every breath, so I won't scoff as some might about you feeling that your body became stronger just by breathing in a more efficient manner.

quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

I think one has to be careful when trying to explain this breathing technique in just the written word. Its very easy to get wrong and a brief explanation isn't enough.

You need to be there with a hand on their lower back and a hand on the abdomen to make sure they are breathing correctly.

Its well worth finding someone who can teach you properly or you will probably think your doing it when your not. Its also something that must be practiced because for this to work properly, then it must become natural.


Although I completely agree with you on the benefits of using this as your every breath, the point of the article is how to quickly incorporate it into BDSM and that is not necessarily something that must become your natural way of breathing in order to use it as a path to subspace. I agree that the nose breathing only technique isn't the only way to achieve this deep breathing. However, it is the easiest to explain within the written word and the quickest path to its use within BDSM.
However, since you have taught others to breath like this without using the nose only breathing, could you provide some tips as to your teaching method that others could apply without seeking out a sports professional who understands it and is willing to train a non-athlete on it?




AspX -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 8:13:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I'm with erin. Preventing any intake of air through the mouth while doing things that prevent breathing through the nose is not going to drive someone into subspace. Unconsciousness yes.

I'd also recommend asking about allergies to begin with.

Plus the op is assuming the purpose of play is subspace. For lots of us, it isn't permitted. He doesn't get any energy from me if I'm spacing. I'm allowed to space only at the end, not during.



Hold on... I never stated that you should prevent breathing through the nose when doing this. The nose should absolutely be clear of any obstructions. As for asking about allergies, you should ask about that before doing any kind of BDSM, just like you always ask about limits.

However, having done lots of yoga while having colds and breathing this way, I can definitively state that it does not lead to passing out (although it does sometimes lead to some disgusting stuff leaking from my nose).

Finally, you are correct that I am talking about driving a sub as deep into subspace as possible and therefore it wouldn't be a technique that someone who refuses that to a sub would use.




AspX -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 8:21:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RCdc

But freedom is in integral part of tantric exercise.  Being gagged during tantric breathing would pretty much restrict that, so I wouldn't necessarily define it as tantric. 


I would agree with you that it is no way tantra and in fact, I even start the article with that type of statement...

quote:

ORIGINAL: AspX

Tantra as an art is a way to deepen and prolong the sexual experience. BDSM play generally has nothing to do with that, but some parts of tantric techniques can actually be utilized to enhance the experience of BDSM.


The nose breathing is my suggested method for achieving this breath (although not the only one) and the gagging is a method for teaching it to a sub. In Tantra, the combining of breath... both inhalation and exhalation is an integral part of the practice however I am not suggesting that this is supposed to be tantra.




crazyml -> RE: Article: Tantric Breath and BDSM play (7/20/2010 8:26:18 AM)

Hmm... Yes, good breathing techniques are basically a good thing. Clearly the breathing technique you describe is a jolly good one - but it's only coincidentally related to Tantric sexual shennanigans.

quote:

ORIGINAL: AspX

Tantra as an art is a way to deepen and prolong the sexual experience.


Tantra isn't just about the "sexual experience", it's about "experience". Yes, sexuality plays an important role, but I think you do an entire religious belief system a considerable injustice by saying that it is "a way to deepen and prolong the sexual experience".


quote:

ORIGINAL: AspX
To incorporate this into BDSM play as a dom, the best way to begin is actually to fully gag your sub. Forcing them to breathe through their nose because they can not through their mouth, rather than just ordering them, to seems to be more effective teaching technique for some reason *G*. I would recommend using a ball gag and a self-adhesive Ace bandage (1 1/2" - 2" variety), to fully cover the mouth.


I know it should go without saying - but it really pays to be very very explicit when discussing techniques/approaches so I'm going to say it for you...

Be very careful when choosing to block any of your partner's airways. Anxiety, Panic, Unconsciousness and even death can ensue under the wrong circumstances.





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